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reborn 26 Feb 15 10.12am Send a Private Message to reborn Add reborn as a friend

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Well done Jamie. I really could not be bothered knocking down this creationist tosh. I admire your patience. There really is no point trying to start a sensible conversation with people who believe in magic floods, talking snakes, levitation and Giants. It is a bit like believing in Harry Potter.


He didn't though did he? He just threw a load of words at it. Read what he said, I mean really read it?

It's your prerogative to think Creationism is fairy tales, but the science behind Darwin's theory is flawed and has massive holes in it.

The fossil record simply does not back it up

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The fossil record - in defiance of Darwin's whole idea of gradual change - often makes great leaps from one form to the next. Far from the display of intermediates to be expected from slow advance through natural selection many species appear without warning, persist in fixed form and disappear, leaving no descendants. Geology assuredly does not reveal any finely graduated organic chain, and this is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against the theory of evolution.” (Almost Like a Whale, p. 252)


Evolution might not wholly explain how we got here and may have a bit of work yet to do.... but by fcuk it makes more sense than some great being creating the earth in 7 days... no wait 6.. the lazy toad had a day off, then sometime later he sent his son to sort us out etc etc.

Grow up FFS..... do you still believe in Santa Claus?

Childish response, but it beggars the question, why are you so angry?


Edited by reborn (25 Feb 2015 4.32pm)


You're the one that believes in "fairies" reborn and you say my response is childish?

I'm angry that billions of people waste their time believing this rubbish, and worse... killing each other in the name of religion because they cannot agree which is the true faith....... Mindless!


YOU say they are fairies, I don't. I respect your right to think whatever you like, you clearly don't reciprocate.

The number of people killed in the name of religion v those for other reasons is a tiny %, so there again you have a straw man argument. (historically 4%).

Yes, childish, if not childish then intolerant...which I bet you love to say about 'religious' people?

 


My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs

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Hoof Hearted 26 Feb 15 10.21am

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Well done Jamie. I really could not be bothered knocking down this creationist tosh. I admire your patience. There really is no point trying to start a sensible conversation with people who believe in magic floods, talking snakes, levitation and Giants. It is a bit like believing in Harry Potter.


He didn't though did he? He just threw a load of words at it. Read what he said, I mean really read it?

It's your prerogative to think Creationism is fairy tales, but the science behind Darwin's theory is flawed and has massive holes in it.

The fossil record simply does not back it up

[Link]

The fossil record - in defiance of Darwin's whole idea of gradual change - often makes great leaps from one form to the next. Far from the display of intermediates to be expected from slow advance through natural selection many species appear without warning, persist in fixed form and disappear, leaving no descendants. Geology assuredly does not reveal any finely graduated organic chain, and this is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against the theory of evolution.” (Almost Like a Whale, p. 252)


Evolution might not wholly explain how we got here and may have a bit of work yet to do.... but by fcuk it makes more sense than some great being creating the earth in 7 days... no wait 6.. the lazy toad had a day off, then sometime later he sent his son to sort us out etc etc.

Grow up FFS..... do you still believe in Santa Claus?

Childish response, but it beggars the question, why are you so angry?


Edited by reborn (25 Feb 2015 4.32pm)


You're the one that believes in "fairies" reborn and you say my response is childish?

I'm angry that billions of people waste their time believing this rubbish, and worse... killing each other in the name of religion because they cannot agree which is the true faith....... Mindless!


YOU say they are fairies, I don't. I respect your right to think whatever you like, you clearly don't reciprocate.

The number of people killed in the name of religion v those for other reasons is a tiny %, so there again you have a straw man argument. (historically 4%).

Yes, childish, if not childish then intolerant...which I bet you love to say about 'religious' people?


I have devout religious neighbours either side of me.

The Bristolian C of E ones are a nightmare and continually give me and others grief.

On the other side a Nigerian family have recently moved in and the father is a minister in a small evangelical church. He and his family are lovely and I get on well with them.

My worry about all this religious guff is the constant aggro between Jews and Muslims (and muslims v muslims) and all the beheadings, shootings, explosions etc.

The world would be a better place without religion.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 26 Feb 15 10.29am

As for the rapid appearance of new species in the fossil record, this isn't necessarily disproval of evolution either, it would be kind of what you would expect to see when there was significant 'environmental changes', which would see the more rapid development of species with traits that are now beneficial. Remember that a species and its traits are not fixed, and traits develop randomly, provided they are not detrimental, they survive in a species.

You can see this in the 'Dinosaur extinction'. The rapid drop in surface temperatures, made large, cold blooded reptiles poorly suited to the now sparse, rapidly cooling environment (Mammals expend about 60% of their energy from food maintaining a body temperature - where as reptiles rely on external heat).

Where as small mammals were now much 'fitted', allowing them to rapidly develop due to the accelerating demise of the reptile species that previously dominated. Consequently the population of mammals expands rapidly, and variations in these now benefical traits spreads throughout the species, combining with other traits in the species (a species that has reduced predators and increased dominance of food sources breeds rapidly).

Remember that a lot of species, like the mammals of the pre-ice age eras, were further down the food chain and one of the most prevalent means of combating the 'Your for Dinner effect' is to produce off spring in numbers and rapidly - which has to be evolved out of the species itself (slow birth traits as they become benefical proliferate).

You'd expect to see this to some degree in any kind of environmental factor (bursts of development, rather than a slow and steady progress). Changes in the factors outside the species are as important, if not more important than the development of traits.

Evidence for this can be seen in how species of animals population rates change in accordance to environmental factors.

Remember the fastest cheetah isn't necessarily the best cheetah. Likewise, the fastest strongest hunter is largely rendered irrelivent by the bloke who thinks of farming.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 26 Feb 15 10.40am

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Quote Catfish at 21 Feb 2015 9.41pm

Well done Jamie. I really could not be bothered knocking down this creationist tosh. I admire your patience. There really is no point trying to start a sensible conversation with people who believe in magic floods, talking snakes, levitation and Giants. It is a bit like believing in Harry Potter.


He didn't though did he? He just threw a load of words at it. Read what he said, I mean really read it?

It's your prerogative to think Creationism is fairy tales, but the science behind Darwin's theory is flawed and has massive holes in it.

The fossil record simply does not back it up

[Link]

The fossil record - in defiance of Darwin's whole idea of gradual change - often makes great leaps from one form to the next. Far from the display of intermediates to be expected from slow advance through natural selection many species appear without warning, persist in fixed form and disappear, leaving no descendants. Geology assuredly does not reveal any finely graduated organic chain, and this is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against the theory of evolution.” (Almost Like a Whale, p. 252)


Evolution might not wholly explain how we got here and may have a bit of work yet to do.... but by fcuk it makes more sense than some great being creating the earth in 7 days... no wait 6.. the lazy toad had a day off, then sometime later he sent his son to sort us out etc etc.

Grow up FFS..... do you still believe in Santa Claus?

Childish response, but it beggars the question, why are you so angry?


Edited by reborn (25 Feb 2015 4.32pm)


You're the one that believes in "fairies" reborn and you say my response is childish?

I'm angry that billions of people waste their time believing this rubbish, and worse... killing each other in the name of religion because they cannot agree which is the true faith....... Mindless!

They'd be killing each other in the name of something else, whether it was democracy, access to natural resources and so on. Its also not generalization that's applicable to all religion either.

People kill one another, fight wars and commit genocide for any number of very reasons. Don't mistake stupidity and gulliability as being the exclusive fault of religion.

Wars are almost always about resources, economic power and geo-political power (often about maintaining an existing power basis, or removing a threat to power).

We don't fight wars for religion per se, we tend to divide the factions along convenient lines of difference. Islamism, isn't really about Muslims and Islam, its about political power not religion.

 


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silvertop Flag Portishead 26 Feb 15 4.01pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

The religious are innately inferior.

 

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reborn 27 Feb 15 1.46pm Send a Private Message to reborn Add reborn as a friend

Quote silvertop at 26 Feb 2015 4.01pm

The religious are innately inferior.


LOL, thanks Einstein.

Dare I ask why, or is that the sum extent of how much you will enlighten us?

 


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ParchmoreEagle Flag Belair 28 Feb 15 12.24am

Quote silvertop at 26 Feb 2015 4.01pm

The religious are innately inferior.


I don't know about 'inferior', but I share anyone's disdain for 'religiousness', as it was these types of people (the Pharasees etc) that opposed and got Our LORD Jesus Christ crucified. These 'religious' types exist today even posing as Christians and still oppose Jesus (He is resurrected and alive through His Body the Universal Church).

So, I am happy that you oppose religiousness, as it is a personal relationship with the risen Christ you need for life and salvation, which you can only receive by faith, by saying sorry for your sins, making a decision to turn away from sin, and asking him to forgive you.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

A careful study of the above words of Jesus show that:
1. A personal relation with Jesus is needed, and
2. Many Christians, even ones that perform miracles, won't be saved without a personal relationship with Jesus.

So, pleased to see you don't like 'religiousness' as neither do true, born again, believers.

Personal testimony: I was homeless and destitute in 1984, been in and out of jail, addicted to booze and p***. was semi-literate (f@ck) was my most used word, then one day for a religious kick I decided to go to confessional (RC though I am not a RC now), and when I started listing off my sins to God, suddenly God filled me up with love and light and took away a huge load I didn't know I had. It was so real and physical an experience I think I exclaimed an expletive. I heard millions of angels singing like CPFC had just won the FA cup. I have never been the same since. I now am a teacher, my Christian wife is a scientist, my 3 boys are all Christian. My life of sin has turned around and I speak to Jesus anytime I want and I know his voice when he speaks to me.

How did the above happen? I humbled myself, asked a God I wasn't sure existed to forgive me, and God rushed to hug and restore me.

Read the story of the prodigal son for what really, spiritually happened (Luke 15:11-32). I really wish the same blessing for you and all who post on here, regardless of how insulting your responses, because Jesus forgave others for me when he hung on the cross.

 


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Ouzo Dan Flag Behind you 28 Feb 15 1.12am Send a Private Message to Ouzo Dan Add Ouzo Dan as a friend

Outside the laws of physics everything is just an opinion.

 


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imbored Flag UK 28 Feb 15 1.28am

Quote silvertop at 26 Feb 2015 4.01pm

The religious are innately inferior.

There are plenty of decent religious and spiritual people. So many aspects feed into a persons outlook and character whether they are religious or not. To pluck belief out and state that the person is then inferior is a rather foolish statement.

 

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Hoof Hearted 28 Feb 15 10.08am

Quote ParchmoreEagle at 28 Feb 2015 12.24am

Quote silvertop at 26 Feb 2015 4.01pm

The religious are innately inferior.


I don't know about 'inferior', but I share anyone's disdain for 'religiousness', as it was these types of people (the Pharasees etc) that opposed and got Our LORD Jesus Christ crucified. These 'religious' types exist today even posing as Christians and still oppose Jesus (He is resurrected and alive through His Body the Universal Church).

So, I am happy that you oppose religiousness, as it is a personal relationship with the risen Christ you need for life and salvation, which you can only receive by faith, by saying sorry for your sins, making a decision to turn away from sin, and asking him to forgive you.

Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

A careful study of the above words of Jesus show that:
1. A personal relation with Jesus is needed, and
2. Many Christians, even ones that perform miracles, won't be saved without a personal relationship with Jesus.

So, pleased to see you don't like 'religiousness' as neither do true, born again, believers.

Personal testimony: I was homeless and destitute in 1984, been in and out of jail, addicted to booze and p***. was semi-literate (f@ck) was my most used word, then one day for a religious kick I decided to go to confessional (RC though I am not a RC now), and when I started listing off my sins to God, suddenly God filled me up with love and light and took away a huge load I didn't know I had. It was so real and physical an experience I think I exclaimed an expletive. I heard millions of angels singing like CPFC had just won the FA cup. I have never been the same since. I now am a teacher, my Christian wife is a scientist, my 3 boys are all Christian. My life of sin has turned around and I speak to Jesus anytime I want and I know his voice when he speaks to me.

How did the above happen? I humbled myself, asked a God I wasn't sure existed to forgive me, and God rushed to hug and restore me.

Read the story of the prodigal son for what really, spiritually happened (Luke 15:11-32). I really wish the same blessing for you and all who post on here, regardless of how insulting your responses, because Jesus forgave others for me when he hung on the cross.


I think you're bonkers, so for that reason I'm out!

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 28 Feb 15 4.12pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 28 Feb 2015 1.12am

Outside the laws of physics everything is just an opinion.

Even inside, quantum theory postulates probable models.


 


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cornwalls palace Flag Torpoint 28 Feb 15 8.09pm

Quote silvertop at 26 Feb 2015 4.01pm

The religious are innately inferior.


..addiction has that affect.

 


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