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Hoof Hearted 09 Nov 14 10.03am
Quote nickgusset at 09 Nov 2014 1.53am Quote The White Horse at 09 Nov 2014 1.43am Quote nickgusset at 08 Nov 2014 9.10am Anyone who says that these things shouldn't happen are derided and ridiculed. The greens are anti austerity so they're not being included in televised election debates because Murdoch and his mates stand to lose the most. If the greens are so wrong, let them in on the debate anyway and let Joe public see the arguments for and against. Could it be the anti austerity groups have a point? The establishment are scared of the alternative arguments, so they sweep it under the carpet and deride it. Brand has a point, but instead of arguing why he is wrong, he's ridiculed. Current polling average (during a good period for the Greens), with the number of MPs in brackets: Labour - 33 (257) Tories - 32 (303) UKIP - 16 (1) Lib Dem - 8 (56) Greens - 5 (1) At the last general election, they got 0.9% of the vote and out of 310 seats I think they kept their deposit in about 5. It's not a conspiracy to keep certain views out of the debate, there simply has to be a line drawn somewhere and a party almost always failing to keep its deposit shouldn't be surprised to find itself on the wrong side of the line. You're right that few people actually discuss his politics (a lot of playing the man and not the ball as has been mentioned), but he doesn't actually represent a politics that many people vote for. Why doesn't he just tell people to vote green? That's surely what his politics is closest to. There are 15 million people who don't vote up for grabs; if UKIP can attract millions of them, it can't be that hard. True to a degree, but when no-one in the mainstream media has even touched upon an alternative to austerity, even to rubbish it, or that the current hegemony is completely f***ed up and screwed is it no surprise that not many people question the current status quo. Would UKIP have had as many votes had they not had all the media coverage initially? That's your fault nick.... you keep mentioning them and people take notice mate!
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Hoof Hearted 09 Nov 14 10.03am

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Anyone who says that these things shouldn't happen are derided and ridiculed. The greens are anti austerity so they're not being included in televised election debates because Murdoch and his mates stand to lose the most. If the greens are so wrong, let them in on the debate anyway and let Joe public see the arguments for and against. Could it be the anti austerity groups have a point? The establishment are scared of the alternative arguments, so they sweep it under the carpet and deride it. Brand has a point, but instead of arguing why he is wrong, he's ridiculed.

Current polling average (during a good period for the Greens), with the number of MPs in brackets:

Labour - 33 (257)
Tories - 32 (303)
UKIP - 16 (1)
Lib Dem - 8 (56)
Greens - 5 (1)

At the last general election, they got 0.9% of the vote and out of 310 seats I think they kept their deposit in about 5. It's not a conspiracy to keep certain views out of the debate, there simply has to be a line drawn somewhere and a party almost always failing to keep its deposit shouldn't be surprised to find itself on the wrong side of the line.

You're right that few people actually discuss his politics (a lot of playing the man and not the ball as has been mentioned), but he doesn't actually represent a politics that many people vote for. Why doesn't he just tell people to vote green? That's surely what his politics is closest to. There are 15 million people who don't vote up for grabs; if UKIP can attract millions of them, it can't be that hard.

True to a degree, but when no-one in the mainstream media has even touched upon an alternative to austerity, even to rubbish it, or that the current hegemony is completely f***ed up and screwed is it no surprise that not many people question the current status quo.
Would UKIP have had as many votes had they not had all the media coverage initially?

That's your fault nick.... you keep mentioning them and people take notice mate!

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Hoof Hearted 09 Nov 14 10.06am
Quote nickgusset at 08 Nov 2014 10.27am Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 Nov 2014 10.03am Quote Percy of Peckham at 08 Nov 2014 9.28am Whilst I wouldn't disagree with everything he says ...it should not detract from the fact he is incredibly irritating and at times obnoxious. I've never really been sure where his "talent" lies or why he is regarded as a celebrity. He is certainly not a warrior because he'd have to be someone I'd look up to - he'd probably make a great politician or a bell end as they are very similar in my book. Agreed... he certainly lost any respect he might of had when he did that stunt on air with Woss taking the p1ss out of 'Manuel' and his grand-daughter. Something that he has apologised for and profusely regrets. That's okay then..... we can let Clarkson off for his gaffes which "he has apologised for and profusely regrets"
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Hoof Hearted 09 Nov 14 10.06am

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Whilst I wouldn't disagree with everything he says ...it should not detract from the fact he is incredibly irritating and at times obnoxious. I've never really been sure where his "talent" lies or why he is regarded as a celebrity. He is certainly not a warrior because he'd have to be someone I'd look up to - he'd probably make a great politician or a bell end as they are very similar in my book.

Agreed... he certainly lost any respect he might of had when he did that stunt on air with Woss taking the p1ss out of 'Manuel' and his grand-daughter.

Something that he has apologised for and profusely regrets.

That's okay then..... we can let Clarkson off for his gaffes which "he has apologised for and profusely regrets"

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Nov 14 10.12am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Nov 2014 10.03am Quote nickgusset at 09 Nov 2014 1.53am Quote The White Horse at 09 Nov 2014 1.43am Quote nickgusset at 08 Nov 2014 9.10am Anyone who says that these things shouldn't happen are derided and ridiculed. The greens are anti austerity so they're not being included in televised election debates because Murdoch and his mates stand to lose the most. If the greens are so wrong, let them in on the debate anyway and let Joe public see the arguments for and against. Could it be the anti austerity groups have a point? The establishment are scared of the alternative arguments, so they sweep it under the carpet and deride it. Brand has a point, but instead of arguing why he is wrong, he's ridiculed. Current polling average (during a good period for the Greens), with the number of MPs in brackets: Labour - 33 (257) Tories - 32 (303) UKIP - 16 (1) Lib Dem - 8 (56) Greens - 5 (1) At the last general election, they got 0.9% of the vote and out of 310 seats I think they kept their deposit in about 5. It's not a conspiracy to keep certain views out of the debate, there simply has to be a line drawn somewhere and a party almost always failing to keep its deposit shouldn't be surprised to find itself on the wrong side of the line. You're right that few people actually discuss his politics (a lot of playing the man and not the ball as has been mentioned), but he doesn't actually represent a politics that many people vote for. Why doesn't he just tell people to vote green? That's surely what his politics is closest to. There are 15 million people who don't vote up for grabs; if UKIP can attract millions of them, it can't be that hard. True to a degree, but when no-one in the mainstream media has even touched upon an alternative to austerity, even to rubbish it, or that the current hegemony is completely f***ed up and screwed is it no surprise that not many people question the current status quo. Would UKIP have had as many votes had they not had all the media coverage initially? That's your fault nick.... you keep mentioning them and people take notice mate!
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Shizzlehurst 09 Nov 14 10.12am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Nov 2014 10.03am

Quote nickgusset at 09 Nov 2014 1.53am

Quote The White Horse at 09 Nov 2014 1.43am

Quote nickgusset at 08 Nov 2014 9.10am

Current polling average (during a good period for the Greens), with the number of MPs in brackets:

Labour - 33 (257)
Tories - 32 (303)
UKIP - 16 (1)
Lib Dem - 8 (56)
Greens - 5 (1)

That's your fault nick.... you keep mentioning them and people take notice mate!

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Nov 14 10.13am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Nov 2014 10.06am Quote nickgusset at 08 Nov 2014 10.27am Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 Nov 2014 10.03am Quote Percy of Peckham at 08 Nov 2014 9.28am Whilst I wouldn't disagree with everything he says ...it should not detract from the fact he is incredibly irritating and at times obnoxious. I've never really been sure where his "talent" lies or why he is regarded as a celebrity. He is certainly not a warrior because he'd have to be someone I'd look up to - he'd probably make a great politician or a bell end as they are very similar in my book. Agreed... he certainly lost any respect he might of had when he did that stunt on air with Woss taking the p1ss out of 'Manuel' and his grand-daughter. Something that he has apologised for and profusely regrets. That's okay then..... we can let Clarkson off for his gaffes which "he has apologised for and profusely regrets" Got no problem with Clarkson.
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Shizzlehurst 09 Nov 14 10.13am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Nov 2014 10.06am

Quote nickgusset at 08 Nov 2014 10.27am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 08 Nov 2014 10.03am

Quote Percy of Peckham at 08 Nov 2014 9.28am

Agreed... he certainly lost any respect he might of had when he did that stunt on air with Woss taking the p1ss out of 'Manuel' and his grand-daughter.

Something that he has apologised for and profusely regrets.

That's okay then..... we can let Clarkson off for his gaffes which "he has apologised for and profusely regrets"

Got no problem with Clarkson.

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The White Horse 09 Nov 14 1.20pm
Quote nickgusset at 09 Nov 2014 1.53am True to a degree, but when no-one in the mainstream media has even touched upon an alternative to austerity, even to rubbish it Is Owen Jones not in the mainstream media? I'd imagine he's on telly and radio at least daily? Is Russell Brand not getting a fairly decent airing at the moment? I'd say the Greens get at least their 5% of political media coverage (certainly 1%). Presumably you define 'austerity' as any political ideology that suggests spending cuts are necessary? If the Greens (and a handful of tinpot parties) are the only ones against it, then at the last general election, 99% of people voted for 'pro-austerity parties'. Quote nickgusset at 09 Nov 2014 1.53am or that the current hegemony is completely f*ed up and screwed is it no surprise that not many people question the current status quo. Loads of people do. There's been a long-term decline in support for Labour and the Tories, there was a poll the other day where the other parties had 40% of the vote. Quote** nickgusset at 09 Nov 2014 1.53am Would UKIP have had as many votes had they not had all the media coverage initially? Perhaps not, but they'd have at least twice as many votes as the Greens, because they represent something that many people already believe, rather than trying to convince people to believe something different. The mistake the Greens make is that they assume people will 'come round' to their way of thinking because they're largely right. That's not how politics works, particularly under first past the post. "The fox has his den. The bee has his hive. The stoat, has, uh... his stoat-hole... but only man chooses to make his nest in an investment opportunity.” Stewart Lee
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Quote nickgusset at 09 Nov 2014 1.53am

True to a degree, but when no-one in the mainstream media has even touched upon an alternative to austerity, even to rubbish it

Is Owen Jones not in the mainstream media? I'd imagine he's on telly and radio at least daily? Is Russell Brand not getting a fairly decent airing at the moment? I'd say the Greens get at least their 5% of political media coverage (certainly 1%).

Presumably you define 'austerity' as any political ideology that suggests spending cuts are necessary? If the Greens (and a handful of tinpot parties) are the only ones against it, then at the last general election, 99% of people voted for 'pro-austerity parties'.

Quote nickgusset at 09 Nov 2014 1.53am

or that the current hegemony is completely f***ed up and screwed is it no surprise that not many people question the current status quo.

Loads of people do. There's been a long-term decline in support for Labour and the Tories, there was a poll the other day where the other parties had 40% of the vote.

Quote nickgusset at 09 Nov 2014 1.53am

Would UKIP have had as many votes had they not had all the media coverage initially?

Perhaps not, but they'd have at least twice as many votes as the Greens, because they represent something that many people already believe, rather than trying to convince people to believe something different.

The mistake the Greens make is that they assume people will 'come round' to their way of thinking because they're largely right. That's not how politics works, particularly under first past the post.

"The fox has his den. The bee has his hive. The stoat, has, uh... his stoat-hole... but only man chooses to make his nest in an investment opportunity.” Stewart Lee

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Stirlingsays 09 Nov 14 2.02pm
Quote The White Horse at 09 Nov 2014 1.20pm Perhaps not, but they'd have at least twice as many votes as the Greens, because they represent something that many people already believe, rather than trying to convince people to believe something different. The mistake the Greens make is that they assume people will 'come round' to their way of thinking because they're largely right. That's not how politics works, particularly under first past the post. Though it pains me to type it.....That's largely right. Other than the bit about the Greens being 'largely right'. The world that the Greens would recast us in isn't realistic nor practically achievable. The Greens have some sensible points but as a whole their policies are unrealistic. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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09 Nov 14 2.02pm

Quote The White Horse at 09 Nov 2014 1.20pm

The mistake the Greens make is that they assume people will 'come round' to their way of thinking because they're largely right. That's not how politics works, particularly under first past the post.

Though it pains me to type it.....That's largely right.

Other than the bit about the Greens being 'largely right'.

The world that the Greens would recast us in isn't realistic nor practically achievable. The Greens have some sensible points but as a whole their policies are unrealistic.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Seth On a pale blue dot 09 Nov 14 7.40pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Nov 2014 9.59am Quote Seth at 09 Nov 2014 1.26am Whatever you think of Brand and his politics, the fact he gets the eye-swivelling, frothy-mouthed loony green-ink brigade pissing their pants at the very sight and sound of him makes him good value for money in my book. Very much like Clarkson then eh Seth? You betcha Hoofy "You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down" FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16
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On a pale blue dot 09 Nov 14 7.40pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 09 Nov 2014 9.59am

Quote Seth at 09 Nov 2014 1.26am

Whatever you think of Brand and his politics, the fact he gets the eye-swivelling, frothy-mouthed loony green-ink brigade pissing their pants at the very sight and sound of him makes him good value for money in my book.

Very much like Clarkson then eh Seth?

You betcha Hoofy

"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
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serial thriller The Promised Land 09 Nov 14 10.31pm
Rarely heard someone hit the nail on the head as completely as this: [Link] If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4
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Rarely heard someone hit the nail on the head as completely as this: [Link]

If punk ever happened I'd be preaching the law, instead of listenin to Lydon lecture BBC4

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The White Horse 09 Nov 14 11.54pm
Quote serial thriller at 09 Nov 2014 10.31pm Rarely heard someone hit the nail on the head as completely as this: [Link] Summarised, doesn't that basically boil down to "there's more to life than basic human desires, humanity should aspire to something better, be nice and chill out a bit". Hard to disagree with, but it's such a broad suggestion that it doesn't really inspire anything in particular. And most people wouldn't have both the patience and vocabulary to listen to him. "The fox has his den. The bee has his hive. The stoat, has, uh... his stoat-hole... but only man chooses to make his nest in an investment opportunity.” Stewart Lee
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09 Nov 14 11.54pm

Quote serial thriller at 09 Nov 2014 10.31pm

Rarely heard someone hit the nail on the head as completely as this: [Link]

Summarised, doesn't that basically boil down to "there's more to life than basic human desires, humanity should aspire to something better, be nice and chill out a bit".

Hard to disagree with, but it's such a broad suggestion that it doesn't really inspire anything in particular. And most people wouldn't have both the patience and vocabulary to listen to him.

"The fox has his den. The bee has his hive. The stoat, has, uh... his stoat-hole... but only man chooses to make his nest in an investment opportunity.” Stewart Lee

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Stuk Top half 10 Nov 14 2.59pm
Nick. See France for the alternative to austerity, giving Le Pen a serious shout at the next election. Russell Brand doesn't live here, doesn't vote and just talks in soundbites in order to flog his book. He's also a terrible actor. Optimistic as ever
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Top half 10 Nov 14 2.59pm

Nick. See France for the alternative to austerity, giving Le Pen a serious shout at the next election.

Russell Brand doesn't live here, doesn't vote and just talks in soundbites in order to flog his book.

He's also a terrible actor.

Optimistic as ever

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Ouzo Dan Behind you 10 Nov 14 3.49pm
Quote serial thriller at 09 Nov 2014 10.31pm Rarely heard someone hit the nail on the head as completely as this: [Link] Whatever message in that was lost amongst him waffling on about Spirituality & religion. He may have found some inner peace through meditation and believing in works of fiction & thats great for him but it doesnt stop him being consumed by his own illusion. I prefer to see the beauty in the things we don't make up in our heads, from the collisions of Quarks (the first building blocks of everything) to the chemical reactions in Cells are all infinitely more beautiful than God. “If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.” Carl Sagan Edited by Ouzo Dan (10 Nov 2014 3.50pm) Edited by Ouzo Dan (10 Nov 2014 3.50pm) The mountains are calling & I must go.
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Behind you 10 Nov 14 3.49pm

Quote serial thriller at 09 Nov 2014 10.31pm

Rarely heard someone hit the nail on the head as completely as this: [Link]

Whatever message in that was lost amongst him waffling on about Spirituality & religion.
He may have found some inner peace through meditation and believing in works of fiction & thats great for him but it doesnt stop him being consumed by his own illusion.

I prefer to see the beauty in the things we don't make up in our heads, from the collisions of Quarks (the first building blocks of everything) to the chemical reactions in Cells are all infinitely more beautiful than God.

“If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.”
Carl Sagan

Edited by Ouzo Dan (10 Nov 2014 3.50pm)

The mountains are calling & I must go.

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Johnny Eagles berlin 10 Nov 14 3.58pm
Just in case it wasn't clear from my earlier post, I would like to re-iterate my position that he is a complete bell end. I cannot stress enough the extent to which I believe this to be the case. ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 10 Nov 14 3.58pm

Just in case it wasn't clear from my earlier post, I would like to re-iterate my position that he is a complete bell end.

I cannot stress enough the extent to which I believe this to be the case.

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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