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Hoof Hearted 15 Apr 14 5.31pm
I just think Tan is a bit Moody. This will blow over without any fines, deductions or warnings. We've played the same starting XI for 3 weeks FFS.
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Hoof Hearted 15 Apr 14 5.31pm

I just think Tan is a bit Moody.

This will blow over without any fines, deductions or warnings.

We've played the same starting XI for 3 weeks FFS.

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Mapletree Croydon 15 Apr 14 5.31pm
Quote Sg Bilko at 15 Apr 2014 5.24pm Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 4.56pm Quote Sg Bilko at 15 Apr 2014 3.58pm Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 12.38pm I guess it is likely that Moody had a confidentiality clause in his contract. If he breached it, he can be sued. If the club encouraged that breach, or could have prevented it but did not, then it also could be sued. Presumably it would be sued for damages, so Cardiff would have to prove the damages. If Cardiff goes down but would have stayed up had it had three more points this could - in theory - become a problem. Mind you, if Moody was unfairly dismissed that may impact upon this. I am guessing there was a Settlement Agreement in place, it would be interesting to know what it had to say on confidentiality but likely it reinforced the requirement. Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2014 12.38pm) No, he was dismissed pretty unceremoniously so that contract is no longer valid, as Tan is in breach of contract. But assuming the Guardian is correct he signed a Settlement Agreement. So yes, the confidentiality clauses are almost certainly re-validated. As I understand it Moody's dismissal is the subject of an unfair dismissal claim, if so he's hardly likely to have signed any contract of silence. I can't find anything to that effect. All I can find is that he signed an agreement when he left, quoted in the Guardian. If he did you would think it was a Settlement Agreement in which case there is no possibility of an Employment Tribunal. Maybe it was some kind of interim agreement though. Where did you see this was the subject of an unfair dismissal claim?
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Croydon 15 Apr 14 5.31pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 15 Apr 2014 5.24pm

Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 4.56pm

Quote Sg Bilko at 15 Apr 2014 3.58pm

Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 12.38pm

I guess it is likely that Moody had a confidentiality clause in his contract.

If he breached it, he can be sued.

If the club encouraged that breach, or could have prevented it but did not, then it also could be sued.

Presumably it would be sued for damages, so Cardiff would have to prove the damages. If Cardiff goes down but would have stayed up had it had three more points this could - in theory - become a problem.

Mind you, if Moody was unfairly dismissed that may impact upon this. I am guessing there was a Settlement Agreement in place, it would be interesting to know what it had to say on confidentiality but likely it reinforced the requirement.

Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2014 12.38pm)

No, he was dismissed pretty unceremoniously so that contract is no longer valid, as Tan is in breach of contract.

But assuming the Guardian is correct he signed a Settlement Agreement. So yes, the confidentiality clauses are almost certainly re-validated.

As I understand it Moody's dismissal is the subject of an unfair dismissal claim, if so he's hardly likely to have signed any contract of silence.

I can't find anything to that effect. All I can find is that he signed an agreement when he left, quoted in the Guardian.

If he did you would think it was a Settlement Agreement in which case there is no possibility of an Employment Tribunal. Maybe it was some kind of interim agreement though. Where did you see this was the subject of an unfair dismissal claim?

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Selhurstboys Basel 15 Apr 14 6.00pm
The only possible way we could be in trouble is if we coerced the information using torture or paid for it...can't believe we paid for it so that one's ruled out. :-) In any case if the Premier League takes any action I'm personnaly going to counter with my own lawsuit claiming unlawful possible withdrawl from a sporting competition and citing either pure incompetence or corruption or both.
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Basel 15 Apr 14 6.00pm

The only possible way we could be in trouble is if we coerced the information using torture or paid for it...can't believe we paid for it so that one's ruled out. :-)

In any case if the Premier League takes any action I'm personnaly going to counter with my own lawsuit claiming unlawful possible withdrawl from a sporting competition and citing either pure incompetence or corruption or both.

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muffinbrucie london 15 Apr 14 7.51pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Cardiff leaks' by SloveniaDave Surely this is a non story. I could name palaces team days before we play as I'm sure most fans could with their teams. Formations may change to stifle the opposition but this can be Sussex and changed with subs if it's really necessary. On the day they were crap and we weren't . its a town full of losers, i,m pulling outta here to win
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london 15 Apr 14 7.51pm

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Surely this is a non story. I could name palaces team days before we play as I'm sure most fans could with their teams. Formations may change to stifle the opposition but this can be Sussex and changed with subs if it's really necessary. On the day they were crap and we weren't .

its a town full of losers, i,m pulling outta here to win

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muffinbrucie london 15 Apr 14 7.52pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Cardiff leaks' by SloveniaDave That's sussed not Sussex, I should have checked,doh its a town full of losers, i,m pulling outta here to win
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london 15 Apr 14 7.52pm

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That's sussed not Sussex, I should have checked,doh

its a town full of losers, i,m pulling outta here to win

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Mapletree Croydon 15 Apr 14 8.02pm
No, he was dismissed pretty unceremoniously so that contract is no longer valid, as Tan is in breach of contract. But assuming the Guardian is correct he signed a Settlement Agreement. So yes, the confidentiality clauses are almost certainly re-validated. As I understand it Moody's dismissal is the subject of an unfair dismissal claim, if so he's hardly likely to have signed any contract of silence. I can't find anything to that effect. All I can find is that he signed an agreement when he left, quoted in the Guardian. If he did you would think it was a Settlement Agreement in which case there is no possibility of an Employment Tribunal. Maybe it was some kind of interim agreement though. Where did you see this was the subject of an unfair dismissal claim? -------------------------------------------------- Ah, found it: <<Mackay has not agreed a settlement with the club since his departure and is involved wrongful dismissal claim.>> In that case Tan stands little chance of making any confidentiality clause stick, although it is still possible. You can tell it's the Guardian from the missing words! Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2014 8.02pm) Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2014 8.04pm)
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Croydon 15 Apr 14 8.02pm

No, he was dismissed pretty unceremoniously so that contract is no longer valid, as Tan is in breach of contract.

But assuming the Guardian is correct he signed a Settlement Agreement. So yes, the confidentiality clauses are almost certainly re-validated.

As I understand it Moody's dismissal is the subject of an unfair dismissal claim, if so he's hardly likely to have signed any contract of silence.

I can't find anything to that effect. All I can find is that he signed an agreement when he left, quoted in the Guardian.

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Ah, found it:

<<Mackay has not agreed a settlement with the club since his departure and is involved wrongful dismissal claim.>>

In that case Tan stands little chance of making any confidentiality clause stick, although it is still possible.

You can tell it's the Guardian from the missing words!

Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2014 8.02pm)

Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2014 8.04pm)

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Everlast Isle of Wight 15 Apr 14 8.27pm
This is a complete waste of everyone's time. As Caulker said, this is an issue that has been going on at Cardiff all season.
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Isle of Wight 15 Apr 14 8.27pm

This is a complete waste of everyone's time. As Caulker said, this is an issue that has been going on at Cardiff all season.

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Everlast Isle of Wight 15 Apr 14 8.31pm
Quote The Dolphin at 15 Apr 2014 3.51pm It is only a worry if there was something in their contract with Ian Moody. However - he got the push I believe so it unlikely he had to sign anything unless he got a big pay-off. If he signed something then it is more likely to be an employment issue than something concerning the Premier League. I suspect this is Cardiff not only clutching at straws but also trying to unsettle a Team above them. If they knew this happened before the game then they should have reported it then - not now. I can't see us having points deducted somehow. It is a side show which Palace seem to be avoiding joining in which is a good sign. Hit the nail on the head. This is nothing more than Cardiff desperately trying any tact they can to stay in the PL.
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Isle of Wight 15 Apr 14 8.31pm

Quote The Dolphin at 15 Apr 2014 3.51pm

It is only a worry if there was something in their contract with Ian Moody.
However - he got the push I believe so it unlikely he had to sign anything unless he got a big pay-off.
If he signed something then it is more likely to be an employment issue than something concerning the Premier League.
I suspect this is Cardiff not only clutching at straws but also trying to unsettle a Team above them.
If they knew this happened before the game then they should have reported it then - not now.
I can't see us having points deducted somehow.
It is a side show which Palace seem to be avoiding joining in which is a good sign.

Hit the nail on the head. This is nothing more than Cardiff desperately trying any tact they can to stay in the PL.

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Mapletree Croydon 15 Apr 14 8.32pm
Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 8.02pm No, he was dismissed pretty unceremoniously so that contract is no longer valid, as Tan is in breach of contract. But assuming the Guardian is correct he signed a Settlement Agreement. So yes, the confidentiality clauses are almost certainly re-validated. As I understand it Moody's dismissal is the subject of an unfair dismissal claim, if so he's hardly likely to have signed any contract of silence. I can't find anything to that effect. All I can find is that he signed an agreement when he left, quoted in the Guardian. If he did you would think it was a Settlement Agreement in which case there is no possibility of an Employment Tribunal. Maybe it was some kind of interim agreement though. Where did you see this was the subject of an unfair dismissal claim? -------------------------------------------------- Ah, found it: <<Mackay has not agreed a settlement with the club since his departure and is involved wrongful dismissal claim.>> In that case Tan stands little chance of making any confidentiality clause stick, although it is still possible. You can tell it's the Guardian from the missing words! -------------------------------------------------- Oops, that is Mackay. Silly me. So back to my point, if Moody had signed an agreement there could indeed be a problem. Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2014 8.32pm)
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Croydon 15 Apr 14 8.32pm

Quote Mapletree at 15 Apr 2014 8.02pm

No, he was dismissed pretty unceremoniously so that contract is no longer valid, as Tan is in breach of contract.

But assuming the Guardian is correct he signed a Settlement Agreement. So yes, the confidentiality clauses are almost certainly re-validated.

As I understand it Moody's dismissal is the subject of an unfair dismissal claim, if so he's hardly likely to have signed any contract of silence.

I can't find anything to that effect. All I can find is that he signed an agreement when he left, quoted in the Guardian.

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Ah, found it:

<<Mackay has not agreed a settlement with the club since his departure and is involved wrongful dismissal claim.>>

In that case Tan stands little chance of making any confidentiality clause stick, although it is still possible.

You can tell it's the Guardian from the missing words!
--------------------------------------------------
Oops, that is Mackay. Silly me.

So back to my point, if Moody had signed an agreement there could indeed be a problem.

Edited by Mapletree (15 Apr 2014 8.32pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 15 Apr 14 8.37pm
Right, now found out that Moody was paid off and did sign a Settlement Agreement. That's a bit of a pity......
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Mapletree

Croydon 15 Apr 14 8.37pm

Right, now found out that Moody was paid off and did sign a Settlement Agreement.

That's a bit of a pity......

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esox lucius Deal 15 Apr 14 8.39pm
Surely the problem is at Cardiff's end. Even if Moody spoke to somebody at Cardiff about details, that information was given willingly, I doubt he got the thumbscrews out, therefore Tan's gripe is with HIS employee. Perhaps he needs to try and find out who's not quite so loyal.
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esox lucius

Deal 15 Apr 14 8.39pm

Surely the problem is at Cardiff's end.
Even if Moody spoke to somebody at Cardiff about details, that information was given willingly, I doubt he got the thumbscrews out, therefore Tan's gripe is with HIS employee. Perhaps he needs to try and find out who's not quite so loyal.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 15 Apr 14 8.50pm
This post has been merged from a topic called 'Cardiff leaks' by SloveniaDave Quote muffinbrucie at 15 Apr 2014 7.52pm That's sussed not Sussex, I should have checked,doh You didn't check if there was already a thread about this, either. Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 15 Apr 14 8.50pm

This post has been merged from a topic called 'Cardiff leaks' by SloveniaDave

Quote muffinbrucie at 15 Apr 2014 7.52pm

That's sussed not Sussex, I should have checked,doh

You didn't check if there was already a thread about this, either.

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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