You say the sweetest things.....

Diane of Hackney.

Do you think the edl, britain first UKIP et al help social cohesion. Do you think hate crimes help form social cohesion?

I'm not saying these are the only issues, but to dismiss the idea as bollocks shows little insight.

You are in denial of reality. The reality is that there is only one particular religious group in this country that are causing security problems.

That is not warped views, that is reality.

You completely disregard the reality of scales of these very different problems. They cannot be regarded as similar as their scales are completely different.

When it comes to sexual abuse, perhaps the scales are under reported or otherwise but we should always go on objective figures.

We already....mostly remove violent and/or irrational people in society using jail or other systems.

We need secular immigration and no other types. Those who wish for theocracy can stay away.....or perhaps go to Scotland when it breaks away.

That's because you have one large group far out-sizing other groups.....give it time mate and the same patterns that happen around the world will happen here as groups become larger and push for greater non secular 'representation'. Human nature is human nature and you supported the policies that will allow it to happen. That head was buried far into the sand....busying comparing the men of violence with those who warned of their rise.

Apart from us having to bury adults and children every year from attacks this will be a problem that gradually increases as the number of Islamic radicals goes up....as is inevitable within the population.

So this is a problem my children have to face far more than me.

The only chance of reducing the blood letting is in the work of the Islamic reformers.....but you can't even support them.

Hopefully these boards will exist in the future in legacy form for people to judge.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Oct 2017 2.49pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I think you need to go for a walk or something. You've reached peak hyperbole.

I think you know the concerns are real.

As for hyperbole....well, I genuinely hope that's true.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Well yeah, that's largely what social cohesion is though, the degree of social conflict between identified groups in society.

A bit of trouble is probably good for the country mind - too much is where its a problem. Extremist groups usually tend to bring social groups closer together. The BNPs rise, and then deflation in elections is probably more to do with UKIP highlight the kind of concerns that were drawing people into BNP circles (people who'd be ignored by Labour, the Lib Dems and Conservatives who they'd previously elected to represent their interests).

Most people in UKIP aren't actually racist or bigoted, they've got genuine concerns about EU immigration rates (which are very high) and the impact this has on employment, wages housing etc.

Its telling that prior to the referendum, UKIP were pulling in about 16% of the vote, after the referendum they've become a nothing party (and there hasn't been a swell of people switching to the BNP).

Whilst I might not like UKIP, they represented people in the UK who had reasonable concerns, who were being drawn into far right circles, because mainstream parties were more interested in their own agenda than representation.

I suspect most UKIP voters don't really care about race, religion etc but they do care about how some of the consequences of these affect them.

The more UKIP becomes about issues outside of EU migration and Brexit, the less it seems to be able to hold voters. Their focus on 'Islam' in the general election, having seen the referendum a success, didn't really attract voters.

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