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 Willo  South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Nov 19 12.32pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Rightly so. The main issues are being identified by labour. I don't think spouting 'get brexit done' or 'Corbyn is a marxist' is going down well at all. Can't talk about their record, obviously. Prepared for a shock. With respect, the Conservatives are more than content to debate what you term the "Main issues" as well as of course Brexit which is of course a major issue.Labour wish to divert the debate away from Brexit for obvious reasons. Indeed it would be a shock if Labour were able to form a majority Government but as I have asserted a few times, I am certainly not complacent and taking the result for granted.
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| Matov 18 Nov 19 1.13pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
Indeed it would be a shock if Labour were able to form a majority Government but as I have asserted a few times, I am certainly not complacent and taking the result for granted. A sensible approach after 2017. And British politics over-all is in a state of real flux with polling almost as discredited as Economics in terms of political science. But who honestly wants more Brexit? Or thinks a second referendum solves anything? Watching Corbyn yesterday I could not shake the image of a man who is going through the hoops with zero hope of emerging victorious. The moment they committed to a second referendum was the final nail in the coffin for him and it will be nothing short of a miracle if they managed to achieve an over-all majority. But other than that, all still to play for but I cannot help but think Brexit has done for them. I simply cannot fathom why they think a second referendum stance gains them a single extra vote. The ultimate act of political immolation for what?
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Nov 19 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
A sensible approach after 2017. And British politics over-all is in a state of real flux with polling almost as discredited as Economics in terms of political science. But who honestly wants more Brexit? Or thinks a second referendum solves anything? Watching Corbyn yesterday I could not shake the image of a man who is going through the hoops with zero hope of emerging victorious. The moment they committed to a second referendum was the final nail in the coffin for him and it will be nothing short of a miracle if they managed to achieve an over-all majority. But other than that, all still to play for but I cannot help but think Brexit has done for them. I simply cannot fathom why they think a second referendum stance gains them a single extra vote. The ultimate act of political immolation for what? At this juncture in 2017, Conservatives were further ahead in the polls than they are now. Edited by Willo (18 Nov 2019 1.27pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Nov 19 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
A sensible approach after 2017. And British politics over-all is in a state of real flux with polling almost as discredited as Economics in terms of political science. But who honestly wants more Brexit? Or thinks a second referendum solves anything? Watching Corbyn yesterday I could not shake the image of a man who is going through the hoops with zero hope of emerging victorious. The moment they committed to a second referendum was the final nail in the coffin for him and it will be nothing short of a miracle if they managed to achieve an over-all majority. But other than that, all still to play for but I cannot help but think Brexit has done for them. I simply cannot fathom why they think a second referendum stance gains them a single extra vote. The ultimate act of political immolation for what? Who honestly wants more brexit, as you say? Hardly anybody, so revoke it. As for 'getting it done' we are looking at 7/10 years, just to distance ourself from the EU.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Nov 19 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Who honestly wants more brexit, as you say? As for 'getting it done' we are looking at 7/10 years, just to distance ourself from the EU. Mmmm....I guess this election is going to answer you in a rather abrupt manner then. The actual truth is those that wish to revoke article fifty are very much the minority.....As the Lib Dems vote share will make plain to you.
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| Stirlingsays 18 Nov 19 1.29pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
At this juncture in 2017, Conservatives were further ahead in the polls than they are now. Edited by Willo (18 Nov 2019 1.27pm) Johnson isn't May thankfully.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Nov 19 1.35pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Who honestly wants more brexit, as you say? Hardly anybody, so revoke it. As for 'getting it done' we are looking at 7/10 years, just to distance ourself from the EU. Only the 17.4 million and perhaps many more now.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Nov 19 1.40pm |
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Johnson is certainly getting the labour message. 6 billions of tax cuts for the rich shelved. Must be rattled. Still the Queen and Trump are weighing in to help soon.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Nov 19 1.45pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Johnson is certainly getting the labour message. 6 billions of tax cuts for the rich shelved. Must be rattled. Still the Queen and Trump are weighing in to help soon.
£6 Bill would have been the cost of the reduced Corporation Tax from 19% to 17%, a tax that this Government has reduced from 28%.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 18 Nov 19 2.12pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
I don't see the Greens adding any more to their single MP representation as their votes tend to be well spread across the country but never enough in any single constituency to win them a seat. The exception is Brighton which is where the oddballs live and they are happy to vote in a Green MP despite the Green local council making such a mess of running Brighton and I say that in the knowledge that my own daughter is a prospective Green councillor I'm sure she is one of the sensible and competent ones.
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| Matov 18 Nov 19 2.12pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Who honestly wants more brexit, as you say? Hardly anybody, so revoke it.
But a Revoke stance is perhaps at least the more honest one than a farce of a second referendum which is effectively nothing more than a Reman v Remain choice. However, if the Labour Party had a shred of decency it would simply have said the British voted to Leave and that is what we are still backing. But it did not. And hopefully will get its arse handed to it by way of the public showing their disgust with them.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 18 Nov 19 2.16pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
£6 Bill would have been the cost of the reduced Corporation Tax from 19% to 17%, a tax that this Government has reduced from 28%. Typical BBC response to the Tories pledge not to cut taxes so they can fund the NHS. "But many economists said the cut - which ministers were signalling would still go ahead earlier this month - would be potentially counter-productive, with a study based on HMRC data last year suggesting it could mean £6bn a year in lost government revenues." So the Tories get criticised for promising tax cuts and now get criticised for not cutting taxes.
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