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JohnyBoy Flag 13 May 16 10.04am Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Knock yourself out.

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A nice part of a recent documentary that made me smile when I thought of you stamping your feet and ordering back the tide.

There's plenty I'd like to rebut in your er... what's the plural of "rhetoric", but... well. I have to work and stuff. I'm sure you do too. But I'll repeat: EU SI's, regulations and directives are transcribed into UK law - it is very rare you come across the source EU regulation, directive or act rather than the UK legal act the government is hogtied to implement it. But it's OK, right? Our MPs can vote on EU regulations in parliament, and in theory reject them, right? Wrong. Once published here:

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They become UK law as a binding legislative act. No ifs, no buts. When you say "I don't come into contact with EU law "DAY-TO-DAY" you merely expose your ignorance. Feel free to search here:

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I think we both will have to agree that we regard each other as ignorent on this on Davemonkey, because as kermit has mentioned we can challenge these regulations etc and indeed British lawyers/commissioners are/were keenly involved in the drafting of these laws...and again they are in my opinion mostly beneficial anyway, just like the EHRA which was drafted mainly by British lawyers after WW2.
Again just this morning i was going through some articles of association. IMO companies can be a law unto themselves but again i saw no effect, and certainly nothing detrimental to me as a uk consumer/businessman even if you say it was transcribed or foisted on us from the eu..it works well TBH. i just wish there were some additional regulations placed on company directors to stop excessive dilution (cos i think im getting legged over) and excessive executive pay....but hopefully that will come.
To make us sit at the same table as the Gambia i.e. excluded from the key eu decision making is just absurd to me.....i mean Great Britain taking its place on the world stage sat next to the Gambia ffs....you couldnt make it up.
Similar to our earlier debate, which others found too borinv, about the nationalist and republicans in NI not wanting to sign up to a British bill of rights, you quoted Lord Trimble twice which again seems just seems absurd to me....ofcourse he wouldnt mind, he is a UNIONIST!! Incidentally, i think its only the DUP who have always been against the Good friday agreement, who want to vote leave. All other major parties in NI want to remain including lord trimbles own party the UUP.
Just in this last week or so we have had the treasury telling us each household will be worse of by £4300pa. The head of MI6 telling us we face higher secutity and terrorism risk in the event of brexit. The PM telling us that european peace is threatened by Brexit. Ex PM Gordon Brown telling us we would be better off solving the current major european issues of refugees, immigration etc by remaining in the eu and working with it and yesterday the head of the BofE saying that the biggest risk to the economy is from brexit and will bring higher inflation & unemployment and currency risks. I dont doubt that you will respond to each of these with: rubbish, scaremongering, he lacks credibility and he should keep his mouth shut, infact i am willing to bet you another 50 lap dances that these are your responses but again we will just agree to differ....but i certainly listen to these trusted and credible sources.
Lastly Matt's point about all this being somd kind of european fascist conspiracy couldnt be more ironic. The major risk to european prosperity and peace comes from the rise of far right wing nationalism. Just like mr trump in the states, who effectively says populist lines like"we love america right", "immigrants are taking your jobs", "every muslim is a terrorist supporter" and then thd solution is "lets build a wall all along the mexican border" "lets ban all muslims from entering the US" ....is frankly racist, stupid and dangerous....but righf wing facism is in europe as well, just listen to marine le pen of mr farage for that matter....

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 13 May 16 10.19am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by matt_himself

Yeah right. Keep fooling yourlsef Michael and when the Federal superstate arrives, you can then look back on this time as the last opportunity to stop that which Napoleon started and Hitler had a crack at.


Edited by matt_himself (13 May 2016 6.14am)

You do remember from your history lessons don't you that England used to be a jigsaw of Kingdoms before becoming a 'superstate' in the 10th Century? They did alright out of that.

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matt_himself Flag Matataland 13 May 16 10.33am Send a Private Message to matt_himself Add matt_himself as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

You do remember from your history lessons don't you that England used to be a jigsaw of Kingdoms before becoming a 'superstate' in the 10th Century? They did alright out of that.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 May 2016 10.21am)

You really have swallowed the line, haven't you?

You have accused me of 'conformist views' when you yourself have taken what Cameron has served up and spewed it all over us. I actually think you don't believe it but you have forced yourself in a corner and have to keep toeing Cameron's line.

Left are doing this a lot. Look at this:

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Hoof Hearted 13 May 16 11.11am

Originally posted by matt_himself

You really have swallowed the line, haven't you?

You have accused me of 'conformist views' when you yourself have taken what Cameron has served up and spewed it all over us. I actually think you don't believe it but you have forced yourself in a corner and have to keep toeing Cameron's line.

Left are doing this a lot. Look at this:

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It's amazing that Cameron's power to "persuade" only works on the feeble minded... like Corbyn, Kermit and the rest of the left sheep.

When he tries to persuade the other EU nations about the urgent and necessary far reaching reforms the UK desperately needs from the EU, his powers of persuasion fall at the very first hurdle - the Iron willed Chancellor Merkel..... and he timidly surrenders and begs for crumbs from her table.

 

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 13 May 16 11.18am

I might vote Brexit because that man with the hair who got stuck on a zip wire (it was soooo funny) supports leaving the EU. He might even get to keep the piccaninnies out.

Also Jeremy Corbyn is a bit scruffy who supports workers rights and he wants to remain and according to the papers being scruffy and supporting workers is a reason not to vote for them.

Edited by nickgusset (13 May 2016 11.20am)

 

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Hoof Hearted 13 May 16 11.23am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I might vote Brexit because that man with the hair who got stuck on a zip wire (it was soooo funny) supports leaving the EU. He might even get to keep the piccaninnies out.

Also Jeremy Corbyn is a bit scruffy who supports workers rights and he wants to remain and according to the papers being scruffy and supporting workers is a reason not to vote for them.

Edited by nickgusset (13 May 2016 11.20am)

Hurrah.... the penny has finally dropped!

 

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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 13 May 16 11.41am Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

I think we both will have to agree that we regard each other as ignorent on this on Davemonkey, because as kermit has mentioned we can challenge these regulations etc and indeed British lawyers/commissioners are/were keenly involved in the drafting of these laws...and again they are in my opinion mostly beneficial anyway, just like the EHRA which was drafted mainly by British lawyers after WW2.
Again just this morning i was going through some articles of association. IMO companies can be a law unto themselves but again i saw no effect, and certainly nothing detrimental to me as a uk consumer/businessman even if you say it was transcribed or foisted on us from the eu..it works well TBH. i just wish there were some additional regulations placed on company directors to stop excessive dilution (cos i think im getting legged over) and excessive executive pay....but hopefully that will come.
To make us sit at the same table as the Gambia i.e. excluded from the key eu decision making is just absurd to me.....i mean Great Britain taking its place on the world stage sat next to the Gambia ffs....you couldnt make it up.
Similar to our earlier debate, which others found too borinv, about the nationalist and republicans in NI not wanting to sign up to a British bill of rights, you quoted Lord Trimble twice which again seems just seems absurd to me....ofcourse he wouldnt mind, he is a UNIONIST!! Incidentally, i think its only the DUP who have always been against the Good friday agreement, who want to vote leave. All other major parties in NI want to remain including lord trimbles own party the UUP.
Just in this last week or so we have had the treasury telling us each household will be worse of by £4300pa. The head of MI6 telling us we face higher secutity and terrorism risk in the event of brexit. The PM telling us that european peace is threatened by Brexit. Ex PM Gordon Brown telling us we would be better off solving the current major european issues of refugees, immigration etc by remaining in the eu and working with it and yesterday the head of the BofE saying that the biggest risk to the economy is from brexit and will bring higher inflation & unemployment and currency risks. I dont doubt that you will respond to each of these with: rubbish, scaremongering, he lacks credibility and he should keep his mouth shut, infact i am willing to bet you another 50 lap dances that these are your responses but again we will just agree to differ....but i certainly listen to these trusted and credible sources.
Lastly Matt's point about all this being somd kind of european fascist conspiracy couldnt be more ironic. The major risk to european prosperity and peace comes from the rise of far right wing nationalism. Just like mr trump in the states, who effectively says populist lines like"we love america right", "immigrants are taking your jobs", "every muslim is a terrorist supporter" and then thd solution is "lets build a wall all along the mexican border" "lets ban all muslims from entering the US" ....is frankly racist, stupid and dangerous....but righf wing facism is in europe as well, just listen to marine le pen of mr farage for that matter....

The fact is that the far right are already rising across Europe because of social and economic pressures IMO brought about by the EU's insistence that we all hold hands and live happily ever after, so in effect the EU and it's deluded ministers are the drivers behind the biggest rise in right wing Politics across Europe since a certain Mr A Hitler.

The figures kind of speak for themselves but I am sure you can rubbish or marginalise them to suit your own agenda (bit of a trait of yours).The anti-immigration party Alternative for Germany, or AfD, made substantial gains in regional elections,marking a dangerous development in European politics.

This is not an isolated incident. Earlier this month, the far-right People’s Party made striking electoral gains in Slovakia, and around Europe far-right parties like Jobbik in Hungary, Golden Dawn in Greece and Marie Le Pen’s Front National in France are gaining in popularity. The NDP also won a seat in the European Parliament. Whilst in the UK UKIP are gaining popularity by the day.

People across Europe are becoming disaffected with Brussels and all it entails, and because the popular left and right are so laughably similar anyone, no matter what policies they have, as long as they are different is (dangerously gaining votes).

Only a return to self state governed leadership can resolve the issue.

Out.

Edited by dannyh (13 May 2016 11.42am)

 


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johnfirewall Flag 13 May 16 11.53am Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

I might vote Brexit because that man with the hair who got stuck on a zip wire (it was soooo funny) supports leaving the EU. He might even get to keep the piccaninnies out.

Also Jeremy Corbyn is a bit scruffy who supports workers rights and he wants to remain and according to the papers being scruffy and supporting workers is a reason not to vote for them.

Edited by nickgusset (13 May 2016 11.20am)

The irony is that's all the left take in to consideration.

Migration is good, with the benefit to the economy an afterthought when you're pressed to list the actual positives.

Workers rights existed already and still aren't in line with the continent where they work less, but the question remains of which workers you care about. Not our own evidently. Not the teachers with classes of 30+ children of EU migrants.

I respect my left leaning friends who are voting out to look after their own prospects. The rest of you are voting for socialist ideologies which you forget were implemented for the sake of cheap labour.

 

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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 13 May 16 12.06pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by johnfirewall

The irony is that's all the left take in to consideration.

Migration is good, with the benefit to the economy an afterthought when you're pressed to list the actual positives.

Workers rights existed already and still aren't in line with the continent where they work less, but the question remains of which workers you care about. Not our own evidently. Not the teachers with classes of 30+ children of EU migrants.

I respect my left leaning friends who are voting out to look after their own prospects. The rest of you are voting for socialist ideologies which you forget were implemented for the sake of cheap labour.

Ohhh you've done it now

Edited by dannyh (13 May 2016 12.06pm)

 


"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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JohnyBoy Flag 13 May 16 12.19pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by dannyh

The fact is that the far right are already rising across Europe because of social and economic pressures IMO brought about by the EU's insistence that we all hold hands and live happily ever after, so in effect the EU and it's deluded ministers are the drivers behind the biggest rise in right wing Politics across Europe since a certain Mr A Hitler.

The figures kind of speak for themselves but I am sure you can rubbish or marginalise them to suit your own agenda (bit of a trait of yours).The anti-immigration party Alternative for Germany, or AfD, made substantial gains in regional elections,marking a dangerous development in European politics.

This is not an isolated incident. Earlier this month, the far-right People’s Party made striking electoral gains in Slovakia, and around Europe far-right parties like Jobbik in Hungary, Golden Dawn in Greece and Marie Le Pen’s Front National in France are gaining in popularity. The NDP also won a seat in the European Parliament. Whilst in the UK UKIP are gaining popularity by the day.

People across Europe are becoming disaffected with Brussels and all it entails, and because the popular left and right are so laughably similar anyone, no matter what policies they have, as long as they are different is (dangerously gaining votes).

Only a return to self state governed leadership can resolve the issue.

Out.

Edited by dannyh (13 May 2016 11.42am)

You are quite correct Danny, the figures speak for themselves....and just this morning the IMF has announced that in all of the economic analysis it has received from various independent sources there was not one favourable economic outcome from brexit. The results ranged from bad 1.5% of gdp to very very bad 9.5% of gdp. I find this truly astounding. Furthermore, john major is announcing that the brexit campaign is based purely on immigration which risks causing deep divisions in society for years to come.
If this is your agenda danny i.e. to wreck the economy and to cause deep divisions in society then dont be surprised if you face some opposition.

 

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 13 May 16 12.21pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

The Labour Left vote 2:1 to leave the EU

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 13 May 16 12.31pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

The Labour Left vote 2:1 to leave the EU

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No, they voted 2:1 to leave the EEC.

The EEC and the EU are two very different animals.

 


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