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I think people with different viewpoints can mix.....to a point dependent upon just how wide the gulf is. It's similar to culture. It's really a measure of tolerance......An understanding that all societies break down into subsections of viewpoints allows anyone with maturity to realise that no one point of view is ever going to dominate and convince everyone. And that's ok.
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Australia.. is now experiencing the usual problems of mass immigration of people of different race, religion, language and culture.
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See you can post what you like How do you know what I was carded for? Are you privy to such information? I also note that you merely make a flippant remark in response to a post about a regime, that you no doubt think is wonderful, shooting dead 30+ workers. I think killing anyone for no good reason is wrong,whether it be FUE's suggestions about migrants,or the killing of miners in S Africa. As for your card,did you not read a mod's post (in response to a post you did) about the reason for it on the NHS thread this morning?,
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Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2015 7.59pm
Interesting Stirling.Why is it "nail on head" to suggest Australia has not generally been a stunning example of successful migration of people from all over the world,under a policy of multiculturalism,ie 2006 census (top nine foreign born groups other than those born in UK or New Zealand),206,000 born in China,199,000 born in Italy,159,000 Vietnam, 147,000 India,120,000 Philippines,109,000 Greece,106,00 Germany. Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 8.00pm) Legal you are amusing if nothing else. Policies of multiculturalism create problems of social cohesion and conflict......All in the name of what? An uneasy and weird combination of lefty egalitarianism that cares nothing about the nationals of a country and an economic right wing middle class neoliberal ideology who have the money not to live with the problems their immigration levels create.....But can sure get low cost workers out of it. A pox on all of it.
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 18 Aug 15 8.40pm |
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See you can post what you like How do you know what I was carded for? Are you privy to such information? I also note that you merely make a flippant remark in response to a post about a regime, that you no doubt think is wonderful, shooting dead 30+ workers. I think killing anyone for no good reason is wrong,whether it be FUE's suggestions about migrants,or the killing of miners in S Africa. As for your card,did you not read a mod's post (in response to a post you did) about the reason for it on the NHS thread this morning?, As you well know, FUE's comment was not serious, the ANC reckless shootings were real. Imagine if it had been the apartheid government that had done it, imagine your outrage then instead of your, "I think killing anyone for no good reason is wrong". Do you mean Jamie's comments on my yellow card? He is not a moderator surely? I've just checked the list and he is! Very, very surprised, would not have thought it of Jamie - bit like kids you were at school with who became prefects. Does make you think whether it is worth continuing on here as it's like Palace playing Arsenal with Aaron Ramsey refereeing as well as playing. Edited by leggedstruggle (18 Aug 2015 9.02pm)
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| TheJudge 18 Aug 15 8.44pm |
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quote]leggedstruggle at 18 Aug 2015 5.50pm The USA started from a 'clean sheet', did not have established race, language, religion and culture - apart from the indigenous population who were more of less 'ethnically cleansed' (you would have thought they would have welcomed the vibrant diversity of the immigrants wouldn't you?) The USA does indeed have communities of different races etc. They get on well don't they? No suggestion of racial tensions, riots etc? Also, each nationality revels in their particular 'heritage' - ask the American Irish or Italians what nationality they identify with.
Canada? The English speaking Canadians get on really well with the French speakers don't they? No calls for an independent French state within Canada is there? Australia of course ethnically cleansed its indigenous population and is now experiencing the usual problems of mass immigration of people of different race, religion, language and culture. British Empire ended peacefully? What apart from America, Canada, Ireland, South Africa, India, Malaya, Cyprus, Kenya, Southern Rhodesia, Palestine, etc ....................................................
Very established Spanish culture and language in the South West and California. French culture established in Louisiana (Louisiana law based on French law to this day).British on the east cost Race issues are very much due to the perversity of slavery and its lingering effects.Not the artificial creation of the USA based on people of differing ethnicities,language and religion per se. As for present -day Canada? No,I'd say generally now a belief in a united Canada as the way forward.A main reason? policy of multiculturalism.Also,another generally stunning example of immigration from, all over the place within the past 60 years and policies of multi culturalism. Have you lived in Australia?I have.Its also generally a stunning example of successful mass immigration over the past 60 years of people from all over the place. Of course there were violent uprisings within the British Empire.I took issue with your statement that such was largely the outcome.And even your list of "insurrections" is wrong.Take S Africa.Empire didn't end because of an insurrection.Rather a conscious decision decades later to grant dominion status and later a revulsion following the introduction post 1948-1950's of apartheid. Your other example of the USA is misplaced.The origins of that"insurrection" were about tax not nationalism. Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 6.11pm) It's pointless discussing it really, you just come out with the usual "it's all the fault of slavery", you turn a blind eye to the many tensions and problems in multi-cultural societies, and you always will. It's quite funny though that you are playing down the desire of Empire countries to free themselves from Colonial rule and revert to their own Nationalism - as if they were quite happy under the yoke apart from paying taxes and this and that. Judge put it very well earlier "For many reasons, people just don't mix too well." But of course you will never recognise that.
In Britain we have done little to alleviate this among recent migrants. The average migrant enters society at a low level where they can be exploited with low wages and be far more likely to become involved in crime. The powers that be are not concerned with social difficulties as long as they support commerce and avoid the inner cities in their leafy mansions.
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quote]leggedstruggle at 18 Aug 2015 5.50pm The USA started from a 'clean sheet', did not have established race, language, religion and culture - apart from the indigenous population who were more of less 'ethnically cleansed' (you would have thought they would have welcomed the vibrant diversity of the immigrants wouldn't you?) The USA does indeed have communities of different races etc. They get on well don't they? No suggestion of racial tensions, riots etc? Also, each nationality revels in their particular 'heritage' - ask the American Irish or Italians what nationality they identify with.
Canada? The English speaking Canadians get on really well with the French speakers don't they? No calls for an independent French state within Canada is there? Australia of course ethnically cleansed its indigenous population and is now experiencing the usual problems of mass immigration of people of different race, religion, language and culture. British Empire ended peacefully? What apart from America, Canada, Ireland, South Africa, India, Malaya, Cyprus, Kenya, Southern Rhodesia, Palestine, etc ....................................................
Very established Spanish culture and language in the South West and California. French culture established in Louisiana (Louisiana law based on French law to this day).British on the east cost Race issues are very much due to the perversity of slavery and its lingering effects.Not the artificial creation of the USA based on people of differing ethnicities,language and religion per se. As for present -day Canada? No,I'd say generally now a belief in a united Canada as the way forward.A main reason? policy of multiculturalism.Also,another generally stunning example of immigration from, all over the place within the past 60 years and policies of multi culturalism. Have you lived in Australia?I have.Its also generally a stunning example of successful mass immigration over the past 60 years of people from all over the place. Of course there were violent uprisings within the British Empire.I took issue with your statement that such was largely the outcome.And even your list of "insurrections" is wrong.Take S Africa.Empire didn't end because of an insurrection.Rather a conscious decision decades later to grant dominion status and later a revulsion following the introduction post 1948-1950's of apartheid. Your other example of the USA is misplaced.The origins of that"insurrection" were about tax not nationalism. Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 6.11pm) It's pointless discussing it really, you just come out with the usual "it's all the fault of slavery", you turn a blind eye to the many tensions and problems in multi-cultural societies, and you always will. It's quite funny though that you are playing down the desire of Empire countries to free themselves from Colonial rule and revert to their own Nationalism - as if they were quite happy under the yoke apart from paying taxes and this and that. Judge put it very well earlier "For many reasons, people just don't mix too well." But of course you will never recognise that.
In Britain we have done little to alleviate this among recent migrants. The average migrant enters society at a low level where they can be exploited with low wages and be far more likely to become involved in crime. The powers that be are not concerned with social difficulties as long as they support commerce and avoid the inner cities in their leafy mansions. Funny, because I've taught classes with 4 different religions and at least 8 nationalities.
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Quote nickgusset at 18 Aug 2015 8.49pm
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quote]leggedstruggle at 18 Aug 2015 5.50pm The USA started from a 'clean sheet', did not have established race, language, religion and culture - apart from the indigenous population who were more of less 'ethnically cleansed' (you would have thought they would have welcomed the vibrant diversity of the immigrants wouldn't you?) The USA does indeed have communities of different races etc. They get on well don't they? No suggestion of racial tensions, riots etc? Also, each nationality revels in their particular 'heritage' - ask the American Irish or Italians what nationality they identify with.
Canada? The English speaking Canadians get on really well with the French speakers don't they? No calls for an independent French state within Canada is there? Australia of course ethnically cleansed its indigenous population and is now experiencing the usual problems of mass immigration of people of different race, religion, language and culture. British Empire ended peacefully? What apart from America, Canada, Ireland, South Africa, India, Malaya, Cyprus, Kenya, Southern Rhodesia, Palestine, etc ....................................................
Very established Spanish culture and language in the South West and California. French culture established in Louisiana (Louisiana law based on French law to this day).British on the east cost Race issues are very much due to the perversity of slavery and its lingering effects.Not the artificial creation of the USA based on people of differing ethnicities,language and religion per se. As for present -day Canada? No,I'd say generally now a belief in a united Canada as the way forward.A main reason? policy of multiculturalism.Also,another generally stunning example of immigration from, all over the place within the past 60 years and policies of multi culturalism. Have you lived in Australia?I have.Its also generally a stunning example of successful mass immigration over the past 60 years of people from all over the place. Of course there were violent uprisings within the British Empire.I took issue with your statement that such was largely the outcome.And even your list of "insurrections" is wrong.Take S Africa.Empire didn't end because of an insurrection.Rather a conscious decision decades later to grant dominion status and later a revulsion following the introduction post 1948-1950's of apartheid. Your other example of the USA is misplaced.The origins of that"insurrection" were about tax not nationalism. Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 6.11pm) It's pointless discussing it really, you just come out with the usual "it's all the fault of slavery", you turn a blind eye to the many tensions and problems in multi-cultural societies, and you always will. It's quite funny though that you are playing down the desire of Empire countries to free themselves from Colonial rule and revert to their own Nationalism - as if they were quite happy under the yoke apart from paying taxes and this and that. Judge put it very well earlier "For many reasons, people just don't mix too well." But of course you will never recognise that.
In Britain we have done little to alleviate this among recent migrants. The average migrant enters society at a low level where they can be exploited with low wages and be far more likely to become involved in crime. The powers that be are not concerned with social difficulties as long as they support commerce and avoid the inner cities in their leafy mansions. Funny, because I've taught classes with 4 different religions and at least 8 nationalities.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 18 Aug 2015 7.55pm
I think people with different viewpoints can mix.....to a point dependent upon just how wide the gulf is. It's similar to culture. It's really a measure of tolerance......An understanding that all societies break down into subsections of viewpoints allows anyone with maturity to realise that no one point of view is ever going to dominate and convince everyone. And that's ok. Two extreme examples of where it doesn't work would be Israel and Northern Ireland, a less example would be Belgium and Russia.
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Quote TheJudge at 18 Aug 2015 8.44pm
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Quote legaleagle at 18 Aug 2015 6.02pm
quote]leggedstruggle at 18 Aug 2015 5.50pm The USA started from a 'clean sheet', did not have established race, language, religion and culture - apart from the indigenous population who were more of less 'ethnically cleansed' (you would have thought they would have welcomed the vibrant diversity of the immigrants wouldn't you?) The USA does indeed have communities of different races etc. They get on well don't they? No suggestion of racial tensions, riots etc? Also, each nationality revels in their particular 'heritage' - ask the American Irish or Italians what nationality they identify with.
Canada? The English speaking Canadians get on really well with the French speakers don't they? No calls for an independent French state within Canada is there? Australia of course ethnically cleansed its indigenous population and is now experiencing the usual problems of mass immigration of people of different race, religion, language and culture. British Empire ended peacefully? What apart from America, Canada, Ireland, South Africa, India, Malaya, Cyprus, Kenya, Southern Rhodesia, Palestine, etc ....................................................
Very established Spanish culture and language in the South West and California. French culture established in Louisiana (Louisiana law based on French law to this day).British on the east cost Race issues are very much due to the perversity of slavery and its lingering effects.Not the artificial creation of the USA based on people of differing ethnicities,language and religion per se. As for present -day Canada? No,I'd say generally now a belief in a united Canada as the way forward.A main reason? policy of multiculturalism.Also,another generally stunning example of immigration from, all over the place within the past 60 years and policies of multi culturalism. Have you lived in Australia?I have.Its also generally a stunning example of successful mass immigration over the past 60 years of people from all over the place. Of course there were violent uprisings within the British Empire.I took issue with your statement that such was largely the outcome.And even your list of "insurrections" is wrong.Take S Africa.Empire didn't end because of an insurrection.Rather a conscious decision decades later to grant dominion status and later a revulsion following the introduction post 1948-1950's of apartheid. Your other example of the USA is misplaced.The origins of that"insurrection" were about tax not nationalism. Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 6.11pm) It's pointless discussing it really, you just come out with the usual "it's all the fault of slavery", you turn a blind eye to the many tensions and problems in multi-cultural societies, and you always will. It's quite funny though that you are playing down the desire of Empire countries to free themselves from Colonial rule and revert to their own Nationalism - as if they were quite happy under the yoke apart from paying taxes and this and that. Judge put it very well earlier "For many reasons, people just don't mix too well." But of course you will never recognise that.
In Britain we have done little to alleviate this among recent migrants. The average migrant enters society at a low level where they can be exploited with low wages and be far more likely to become involved in crime. The powers that be are not concerned with social difficulties as long as they support commerce and avoid the inner cities in their leafy mansions. Funny, because I've taught classes with 4 different religions and at least 8 nationalities.
Commonality. It is in their interest to cooperate as a group. Edited by TheJudge (18 Aug 2015 9.21pm)
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quote]leggedstruggle at 18 Aug 2015 5.50pm The USA started from a 'clean sheet', did not have established race, language, religion and culture - apart from the indigenous population who were more of less 'ethnically cleansed' (you would have thought they would have welcomed the vibrant diversity of the immigrants wouldn't you?) The USA does indeed have communities of different races etc. They get on well don't they? No suggestion of racial tensions, riots etc? Also, each nationality revels in their particular 'heritage' - ask the American Irish or Italians what nationality they identify with.
Canada? The English speaking Canadians get on really well with the French speakers don't they? No calls for an independent French state within Canada is there? Australia of course ethnically cleansed its indigenous population and is now experiencing the usual problems of mass immigration of people of different race, religion, language and culture. British Empire ended peacefully? What apart from America, Canada, Ireland, South Africa, India, Malaya, Cyprus, Kenya, Southern Rhodesia, Palestine, etc ....................................................
Very established Spanish culture and language in the South West and California. French culture established in Louisiana (Louisiana law based on French law to this day).British on the east cost Race issues are very much due to the perversity of slavery and its lingering effects.Not the artificial creation of the USA based on people of differing ethnicities,language and religion per se. As for present -day Canada? No,I'd say generally now a belief in a united Canada as the way forward.A main reason? policy of multiculturalism.Also,another generally stunning example of immigration from, all over the place within the past 60 years and policies of multi culturalism. Have you lived in Australia?I have.Its also generally a stunning example of successful mass immigration over the past 60 years of people from all over the place. Of course there were violent uprisings within the British Empire.I took issue with your statement that such was largely the outcome.And even your list of "insurrections" is wrong.Take S Africa.Empire didn't end because of an insurrection.Rather a conscious decision decades later to grant dominion status and later a revulsion following the introduction post 1948-1950's of apartheid. Your other example of the USA is misplaced.The origins of that"insurrection" were about tax not nationalism. Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 6.11pm) It's pointless discussing it really, you just come out with the usual "it's all the fault of slavery", you turn a blind eye to the many tensions and problems in multi-cultural societies, and you always will. It's quite funny though that you are playing down the desire of Empire countries to free themselves from Colonial rule and revert to their own Nationalism - as if they were quite happy under the yoke apart from paying taxes and this and that. Judge put it very well earlier "For many reasons, people just don't mix too well." But of course you will never recognise that.
In Britain we have done little to alleviate this among recent migrants. The average migrant enters society at a low level where they can be exploited with low wages and be far more likely to become involved in crime. The powers that be are not concerned with social difficulties as long as they support commerce and avoid the inner cities in their leafy mansions. Funny, because I've taught classes with 4 different religions and at least 8 nationalities.
Commonality. It is in their interest to cooperate as a group. Edited by TheJudge (18 Aug 2015 9.21pm) Yep, worth a thread in itself.
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quote]leggedstruggle at 18 Aug 2015 5.50pm The USA started from a 'clean sheet', did not have established race, language, religion and culture - apart from the indigenous population who were more of less 'ethnically cleansed' (you would have thought they would have welcomed the vibrant diversity of the immigrants wouldn't you?) The USA does indeed have communities of different races etc. They get on well don't they? No suggestion of racial tensions, riots etc? Also, each nationality revels in their particular 'heritage' - ask the American Irish or Italians what nationality they identify with.
Canada? The English speaking Canadians get on really well with the French speakers don't they? No calls for an independent French state within Canada is there? Australia of course ethnically cleansed its indigenous population and is now experiencing the usual problems of mass immigration of people of different race, religion, language and culture. British Empire ended peacefully? What apart from America, Canada, Ireland, South Africa, India, Malaya, Cyprus, Kenya, Southern Rhodesia, Palestine, etc ....................................................
Very established Spanish culture and language in the South West and California. French culture established in Louisiana (Louisiana law based on French law to this day).British on the east cost Race issues are very much due to the perversity of slavery and its lingering effects.Not the artificial creation of the USA based on people of differing ethnicities,language and religion per se. As for present -day Canada? No,I'd say generally now a belief in a united Canada as the way forward.A main reason? policy of multiculturalism.Also,another generally stunning example of immigration from, all over the place within the past 60 years and policies of multi culturalism. Have you lived in Australia?I have.Its also generally a stunning example of successful mass immigration over the past 60 years of people from all over the place. Of course there were violent uprisings within the British Empire.I took issue with your statement that such was largely the outcome.And even your list of "insurrections" is wrong.Take S Africa.Empire didn't end because of an insurrection.Rather a conscious decision decades later to grant dominion status and later a revulsion following the introduction post 1948-1950's of apartheid. Your other example of the USA is misplaced.The origins of that"insurrection" were about tax not nationalism. Edited by legaleagle (18 Aug 2015 6.11pm) It's pointless discussing it really, you just come out with the usual "it's all the fault of slavery", you turn a blind eye to the many tensions and problems in multi-cultural societies, and you always will. It's quite funny though that you are playing down the desire of Empire countries to free themselves from Colonial rule and revert to their own Nationalism - as if they were quite happy under the yoke apart from paying taxes and this and that. Judge put it very well earlier "For many reasons, people just don't mix too well." But of course you will never recognise that.
In Britain we have done little to alleviate this among recent migrants. The average migrant enters society at a low level where they can be exploited with low wages and be far more likely to become involved in crime. The powers that be are not concerned with social difficulties as long as they support commerce and avoid the inner cities in their leafy mansions. Funny, because I've taught classes with 4 different religions and at least 8 nationalities.
Commonality. It is in their interest to cooperate as a group. Edited by TheJudge (18 Aug 2015 9.21pm) Yep, worth a thread in itself.
Scum comes in all shades. Edited by TheJudge (18 Aug 2015 9.38pm)
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