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 silvertop  Portishead 15 Oct 17 10.20am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
We should deport everyone who wants to remain to the EU, and invite people from the EU, who want to leave the EU, here. Leaving a country populated almost entirely by retired people and a small working class moderately educated population to support it. An instant diminution to a developing country ripe for exploitation from almost every corner. Careful what you wish for.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 15 Oct 17 10.37am |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Leaving a country populated almost entirely by retired people and a small working class moderately educated population to support it. An instant diminution to a developing country ripe for exploitation from almost every corner. Careful what you wish for. Yes there would be no means of supporting retired brexiteers........ No wonder Hedgehogs are dying out
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 15 Oct 17 11.32am |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
Reporting the results of a poll you conveniently ignored? That's spin is it? Righty-ho. Again (and this is where it's getting boring, hammering this into your head, repeatedly).... Whomever we have handling Brexit. No matter how tough it gets, no matter the conditions we are bound by: It is **STILL** better than the utter lobotomies that you would have running the show. Do I want something different from the negotiations? Bloody hell, yes. Sadly, the terms of reference are set by a PM that did not agree with the majority vote to leave the EU. It's little surprise that she lacks the conviction. But tell you what: she's not Corbyn. And for that, we can all be f***ing grateful. So - you're not getting what you want, and at some level nor am I (nor indeed the vast majority of those who voted to leave). But I'm not stamping my little feet about it and howling at the moon. I think this kind of viewpoint isn't quite as strong as most on the centre right thought it was, is it? I mean, the Tories thought that simply not being Corbyn would romp them to an historic victory. Based on the election result, and subsequent fallout, a lot of people don't see it that way. The Tories are now looking for an argument beyond that, and don't seem to have a f*cking clue. Some of them think they have to wholesale adopt the tactics of Labour and Momentum, others think they can still make the case for neoliberalism, and others think they have to reform themselves around the parochial nationalism which drove the Brexit vote. They are facing existential crisis and are pulling themselves apart. That is bad for our country, as it is affecting how the negotiate Brexit. Success in politics is built around having a coherent narrative around the problems of society. Corbyn, whether you like him or not, has one: that 2008 represents a turning point in global politics, that it triggered economic policy which sheltered the rich at the expense of the poor, and that the political realm facilitated this crime, and should be rebuilt to restore some parity between the economic divide. The Tories have no such argument, and will suffer so long as they don't. Ironically, Corbyn, the leader the Tories claimed would lead Labour in to oblivion, may actually be the one who leads them down that path. Edited by serial thriller (15 Oct 2017 11.36am)
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| chris123 hove actually 15 Oct 17 11.36am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
I think this kind of viewpoint isn't quite as strong as most on the centre right thought it was, was it? I mean, the Tories thought that simply not being Corbyn would romp them to an historic victory. Based on the result, and subsequent fallout, a lot of people don't see it that way. The Tories are now looking for an argument beyond that, and don't seem to have a f*cking clue. Some of them think they have to wholesale adopt the tactics of Labour and Momentum, others think they can still make the case for neoliberalism, and others think they have to reform themselves around the parochial nationalism which drove the Brexit vote. They are facing existential crisis and are pulling themselves apart. That is bad for our country, as it is affecting how the negotiate Brexit. I would argue that this all dates back to 2008 and the political fallout from then. Corbyn, whether you like him or not, has developed a coherent narrative around that economic crisis and how we can deal with it. The Tories never did, and seem in no way capable of developing one now. It could even be the end of them. Er - only if you believe in nationalisation.
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| serial thriller The Promised Land 15 Oct 17 11.38am |
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Originally posted by chris123
Er - only if you believe in nationalisation. Which most of the country does, according to nearly every poll on the topic.
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| chris123 hove actually 15 Oct 17 11.42am |
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Originally posted by serial thriller
Which most of the country does, according to nearly every poll on the topic. Not for me - I remember to 70's!
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| silvertop Portishead 15 Oct 17 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Yes there would be no means of supporting retired brexiteers........ No wonder Hedgehogs are dying out I'm sure that response made sense to you.
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| Stirlingsays 15 Oct 17 1.23pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Yes there would be no means of supporting retired brexiteers........ No wonder Hedgehogs are dying out You wish. If Corbyn ever sees the light of government that few years would see the total collapse for far left political support in this country...as most of it is emotional rather than rational..Just as what happened to the left governments in Europe once they took power.....The socialists totally wiped out in France once the reality of that system was introduced. It's the poor who suffer the most....it's the left who lie to the poor the most. I feel the left work best as a pressure group to the right.....when they actually run things it all goes south and the state of play is never good enough. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Oct 2017 1.40pm)
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 15 Oct 17 1.40pm |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Leaving a country populated almost entirely by retired people and a small working class moderately educated population to support it. An instant diminution to a developing country ripe for exploitation from almost every corner. Careful what you wish for. Yes but think of all the benefits. No 'progressives' living here, extreme left elements of the Labour party gone forever, no rap 'music', no terrorism, no student mobs seeking 'safe places' and bemoaning anything the retired people had achieved in the past, housing crisis solved without doing anything, hugely reduced class sizes with most pupils able to speak English, people better dressed ...
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 Hrolf The Ganger 15 Oct 17 2.23pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Yes there would be no means of supporting retired brexiteers........ No wonder Hedgehogs are dying out How naive. A lot of young Lefties become old conservatives. Instead of going all gender neutral on us maybe the young, white and dopey should have some more children and avoid self indulging themselves into their fifties.
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Kermit8  Hevon 15 Oct 17 2.41pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
How naive. A lot of young Lefties become old conservatives. Instead of going all gender neutral on us maybe the young, white and dopey should have some more children and avoid self indulging themselves into their fifties. Indeed. Like Paxman, Dimbleby and Hawking. No brains there at all. How is your IQ these days, Hrolf?
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 15 Oct 17 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Indeed. Like Paxman, Dimbleby and Hawking. No brains there at all. How is your IQ these days, Hrolf? Christopher Hitchens.
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