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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Dec 20 7.03pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Let's just scotch this. It is unhelpful As far as I can tell there have been up to 7 allergic reactions, 2 of which were in the UK and 5 in the US. The UK alone has already administered some 350,000. The 2 UK cases were with people with radical predispositions to allergic reactions from a variety of triggers. They both carried epipens. Neither had to use the epipen and both recovered rapidly. So there just isn't a problem. Unless you are an anti-vaxer in which case the allergic reaction is caused by an oversized nano-controller. Kinda strange that HIV(Aids) has been around for 35/40 years & No cure or vaccine & the same for Malaria & probably another shopping list of equally deadly illnesses or diseases. Yet they can research, test & produce a vaccine for an illness no one had heard of just 12 months ago in about 6 months. Edited by Jimenez (20 Dec 2020 7.04pm) Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Dec 20 7.03pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Let's just scotch this. It is unhelpful

As far as I can tell there have been up to 7 allergic reactions, 2 of which were in the UK and 5 in the US. The UK alone has already administered some 350,000. The 2 UK cases were with people with radical predispositions to allergic reactions from a variety of triggers. They both carried epipens. Neither had to use the epipen and both recovered rapidly. So there just isn't a problem. Unless you are an anti-vaxer in which case the allergic reaction is caused by an oversized nano-controller.

Kinda strange that HIV(Aids) has been around for 35/40 years & No cure or vaccine & the same for Malaria & probably another shopping list of equally deadly illnesses or diseases.
Yet they can research, test & produce a vaccine for an illness no one had heard of just 12 months ago in about 6 months.

Edited by Jimenez (20 Dec 2020 7.04pm)

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DanH SW2 20 Dec 20 7.12pm
Originally posted by Jimenez Kinda strange that HIV(Aids) has been around for 35/40 years & No cure or vaccine & the same for Malaria & probably another shopping list of equally deadly illnesses or diseases. Yet they can research, test & produce a vaccine for an illness no one had heard of just 12 months ago in about 6 months. Edited by Jimenez (20 Dec 2020 7.04pm) Did you stop to think ‘maybe I should do some basic research’ before you shat that load of nonsense out or did you just go ahead and hit the post message button?
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SW2 20 Dec 20 7.12pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Edited by Jimenez (20 Dec 2020 7.04pm)

Did you stop to think ‘maybe I should do some basic research’ before you shat that load of nonsense out or did you just go ahead and hit the post message button?

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Eaglecoops CR3 20 Dec 20 7.12pm
Originally posted by Mapletree Let's just scotch this. It is unhelpful As far as I can tell there have been up to 7 allergic reactions, 2 of which were in the UK and 5 in the US. The UK alone has already administered some 350,000. The 2 UK cases were with people with radical predispositions to allergic reactions from a variety of triggers. They both carried epipens. Neither had to use the epipen and both recovered rapidly. So there just isn't a problem. Unless you are an anti-vaxer in which case the allergic reaction is caused by an oversized nano-controller. It might be unhelpful but it is true. Are you conveniently forgetting the advice that was given that those with allergies should not take this particular vaccine. So trying to scotch such information is poor form. There are numerous vaccines that will be available, staying away from this one could be life saving for some. I’m not an anti-vaxxer but I believe all information should be in the public arena.
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CR3 20 Dec 20 7.12pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Let's just scotch this. It is unhelpful

It might be unhelpful but it is true. Are you conveniently forgetting the advice that was given that those with allergies should not take this particular vaccine. So trying to scotch such information is poor form. There are numerous vaccines that will be available, staying away from this one could be life saving for some.

I’m not an anti-vaxxer but I believe all information should be in the public arena.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Dec 20 7.24pm
Originally posted by DanH Did you stop to think ‘maybe I should do some basic research’ before you shat that load of nonsense out or did you just go ahead and hit the post message button? Oh dear, there must be a quinoa shortage in Clapham. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Dec 20 7.24pm

Originally posted by DanH

Did you stop to think ‘maybe I should do some basic research’ before you shat that load of nonsense out or did you just go ahead and hit the post message button?

Oh dear, there must be a quinoa shortage in Clapham.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Dec 20 7.28pm
Originally posted by DanH Did you stop to think ‘maybe I should do some basic research’ before you shat that load of nonsense out or did you just go ahead and hit the post message button? Also doesn't the vaccine have something like a 92% success rate? Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 20 Dec 20 7.28pm

Originally posted by DanH

Did you stop to think ‘maybe I should do some basic research’ before you shat that load of nonsense out or did you just go ahead and hit the post message button?

Also doesn't the vaccine have something like a 92% success rate?

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Dec 20 7.37pm
Originally posted by Jimenez Kinda strange that HIV(Aids) has been around for 35/40 years & No cure or vaccine & the same for Malaria & probably another shopping list of equally deadly illnesses or diseases. Yet they can research, test & produce a vaccine for an illness no one had heard of just 12 months ago in about 6 months. Edited by Jimenez (20 Dec 2020 7.04pm) I hate to be the one to say that if we couldn't cure the common cold, then we are unlikely to cure the Coronavirus. The Coronavirus is one of many that are simply known as the common cold. 19 is a variant of common Coronavirus, and the mutations will be thick and fast, Just like the common cold. Hopefully, naturally, it will mutate into just a cold like before and not prove as deadly as is being described in some quarters. I have had all my vaccinations but won't be taking this one. I must be a far right and evil anti-vaccer, I mean, why would you have any concerns? Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 20 Dec 20 7.37pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Edited by Jimenez (20 Dec 2020 7.04pm)

I hate to be the one to say that if we couldn't cure the common cold, then we are unlikely to cure the Coronavirus. The Coronavirus is one of many that are simply known as the common cold. 19 is a variant of common Coronavirus, and the mutations will be thick and fast, Just like the common cold.
Hopefully, naturally, it will mutate into just a cold like before and not prove as deadly as is being described in some quarters.
I have had all my vaccinations but won't be taking this one. I must be a far right and evil anti-vaccer, I mean, why would you have any concerns?

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BlueJay UK 20 Dec 20 7.39pm
Originally posted by Mapletree That particular aspect hasn’t been studied yet. “There is a theoretical risk that you could pass the virus on to others despite being vaccinated,” says Kirsten Hokeness, Ph.D., director of Bryant University’s new Center for Health and Behavioral Sciences. But virus transmission by vaccinated people hopefully won’t be the case. “The goal of the vaccine is to create immunological memory in the body so that when you encounter the virus in the future, your immune system rapidly ramps up and attacks the virus very quickly before you get sick. Therefore, as long as the vaccine boasts a strong immunological response, it is likely that the virus will be stopped from replicating in your system pretty quickly,” Dr. Hokeness says. That would limit your ability to spread it to others. “It can happen, but the risks would be far less than if you were not vaccinated,” she says. This is pretty much my understanding too. Typically with vaccines the strength of the antibody response can dictate your ability to pass it in. And from what he know the antibody response is here is strong. So it's certainly possible that it will turn out that being vaccinated could hinder or stop peoples ability from being able to spread it. There's a lot of 'working back' to morally cleanse behaviour. As in some are dubious about the vaccine and taking in, and create a definitive reality where doing so doesn't harm others, when really that's an unknown. Time will tell, but right now I'd say that the responsible position would be to have the vaccine when the opportunity arises.. and there will be plenty of time to revisit that plan as the roll out will be months away for the under 70s. Edited by BlueJay (20 Dec 2020 7.44pm)
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UK 20 Dec 20 7.39pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

That particular aspect hasn’t been studied yet. “There is a theoretical risk that you could pass the virus on to others despite being vaccinated,” says Kirsten Hokeness, Ph.D., director of Bryant University’s new Center for Health and Behavioral Sciences.

But virus transmission by vaccinated people hopefully won’t be the case. “The goal of the vaccine is to create immunological memory in the body so that when you encounter the virus in the future, your immune system rapidly ramps up and attacks the virus very quickly before you get sick.

Therefore, as long as the vaccine boasts a strong immunological response, it is likely that the virus will be stopped from replicating in your system pretty quickly,” Dr. Hokeness says. That would limit your ability to spread it to others. “It can happen, but the risks would be far less than if you were not vaccinated,” she says.

This is pretty much my understanding too. Typically with vaccines the strength of the antibody response can dictate your ability to pass it in. And from what he know the antibody response is here is strong. So it's certainly possible that it will turn out that being vaccinated could hinder or stop peoples ability from being able to spread it.

There's a lot of 'working back' to morally cleanse behaviour. As in some are dubious about the vaccine and taking in, and create a definitive reality where doing so doesn't harm others, when really that's an unknown. Time will tell, but right now I'd say that the responsible position would be to have the vaccine when the opportunity arises.. and there will be plenty of time to revisit that plan as the roll out will be months away for the under 70s.

Edited by BlueJay (20 Dec 2020 7.44pm)

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BlueJay UK 20 Dec 20 7.42pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Maybe we could take the vaccine in the pit Lane at Brands Hatch and do a lap before exiting. Or juggle the ball half the length of the pitch before smashing the ball in the goal. Or bring back Bullseye and replace darts with injections and the board with an over 80s ass.
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UK 20 Dec 20 7.42pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Maybe we could take the vaccine in the pit Lane at Brands Hatch and do a lap before exiting. Or juggle the ball half the length of the pitch before smashing the ball in the goal.

Or bring back Bullseye and replace darts with injections and the board with an over 80s ass.

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Stirlingsays 20 Dec 20 7.43pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I hate to be the one to say that if we couldn't cure the common cold, then we are unlikely to cure the Coronavirus. The Coronavirus is one of many that are simply known as the common cold. 19 is a variant of common Coronavirus, and the mutations will be thick and fast, Just like the common cold. Hopefully, naturally, it will mutate into just a cold like before and not prove as deadly as is being described in some quarters. I have had all my vaccinations but won't be taking this one. I must be a far right and evil anti-vaccer, I mean, why would you have any concerns? Tips hat. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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20 Dec 20 7.43pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

Tips hat.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Spiderman Horsham 20 Dec 20 7.45pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I was going to post this. All of Kent treated the same but the posh part of Surrey let off compared to the rest. Similar things happened in the past in the North, Waverley seems pretty unique. In truth, however, the local infection rate is actually pretty low. Mind you, Croydon is low compared to the rest of London but we are all treated the same 'in case people travel to Croydon to do things they can't do elsewhere in London' presumably. Chelmsford is Tier4, Colchester Tier2, guess where people are shopping and drinking?
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Horsham 20 Dec 20 7.45pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I was going to post this. All of Kent treated the same but the posh part of Surrey let off compared to the rest. Similar things happened in the past in the North, Waverley seems pretty unique.

In truth, however, the local infection rate is actually pretty low. Mind you, Croydon is low compared to the rest of London but we are all treated the same 'in case people travel to Croydon to do things they can't do elsewhere in London' presumably.

Chelmsford is Tier4, Colchester Tier2, guess where people are shopping and drinking?

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AERO 20 Dec 20 8.08pm
As posted earlier people will shop and drink in lower tier areas
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20 Dec 20 8.08pm

As posted earlier people will shop and drink in lower tier areas

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BlueJay UK 20 Dec 20 8.14pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC I hate to be the one to say that if we couldn't cure the common cold, then we are unlikely to cure the Coronavirus. The Coronavirus is one of many that are simply known as the common cold. 19 is a variant of common Coronavirus, and the mutations will be thick and fast, Just like the common cold. Hopefully, naturally, it will mutate into just a cold like before and not prove as deadly as is being described in some quarters. I have had all my vaccinations but won't be taking this one. I must be a far right and evil anti-vaccer, I mean, why would you have any concerns? There's sense to this of course, but we could just as easily say there's not been a vaccine for any coronavirus previously either, but now we have one. There was never the combined will be perceived need for one. The vaccine has been created to combat a virus that is currently a significant concern to the over 80s, so people in that particular age bracket (and possibly others) would be well advised to take it. It's not far removed from the rationale of having a flu jab, and shouldn't need to be a political or politicised decision one way or the other. With any luck it will eventually mutate in direction that weakens it, but in the meantime, it makes sense for those with good reason to get vaccinated, to do so. Edited by BlueJay (20 Dec 2020 8.19pm)
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UK 20 Dec 20 8.14pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

There's sense to this of course, but we could just as easily say there's not been a vaccine for any coronavirus previously either, but now we have one. There was never the combined will be perceived need for one. The vaccine has been created to combat a virus that is currently a significant concern to the over 80s, so people in that particular age bracket (and possibly others) would be well advised to take it. It's not far removed from the rationale of having a flu jab, and shouldn't need to be a political or politicised decision one way or the other. With any luck it will eventually mutate in direction that weakens it, but in the meantime, it makes sense for those with good reason to get vaccinated, to do so.

Edited by BlueJay (20 Dec 2020 8.19pm)

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