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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 05 Aug 24 6.43am |
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Straight after brexit the middle class youngsters were criticising white northern working classes. 2 days later they were telling each other it was ‘because of the disconnect.’’ That didn’t last too long.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 05 Aug 24 6.57am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The guy who claims others are misinformed is the same guy who has been pushing unproven theories on here for years. The latest being that Trump wasn't shot with a bullet (even though the doctor's report said it was a bullet and the FBI later admitted was the case). He talks about misinformation but he only needs to read his own posts. Opinions are just that, and we can't argue against others' opinions being posted on here, some though treat opinions as fact. When he simply gets things wrong and misuses language and words that's objective yet he still argues, bonkers and attention seeking. Roll on the ignore button, I can then read posts I want to without having to see drivel
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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 georgenorman 05 Aug 24 6.59am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Very unlikely. All clubs have strict membership criteria and applicants need to be sponsored and approved to ensure that they meet the required standards. I doubt, with his record, it’s very likely he would be accepted. Maybe in Clacton as a non playing member. Just so he could spend money at the bar. That's why I called for these shady organisations to be investigated and proscribed.
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| Spiderman Horsham 05 Aug 24 7.22am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Who are “all”? Not those who are misinformed and poorly influenced, but protest peacefully. Only those who use the events of last Monday as a smokescreen excuse for disgraceful behaviour deserve being thought thick. Intelligent people don’t act that way. Whether they are all drunk seems improbable, but many give the strong impression they are.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 05 Aug 24 7.49am |
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If all this is about the far right, the far right is now composed of many millions. Those unrepresented by our electoral system and ignored for so may years as the country disintegrated. They are far removed from 'Nazis' and consist mostly of ordinary people. The left probably contains a fringe of extremists that is much larger. The traditional right, in Parliament at least, now largely consists of Remainer wets. There is barely anything between them and the Liberals or the right of Labour. All that other team has now is spin, word play, misdirection, misrepresentation and plain lies. What has to come out of this for the 'far right' is political strength. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (05 Aug 2024 9.08am)
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| orpingtoneagle Orpington 05 Aug 24 8.22am |
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The 'far right,' is a lazy convenient phrase which covers many groups. A bit like the way the word 'Reds,' was used in the past to describe anyone of slightly left leanings in the USA. Sadly this whole thing has now gone beyond political protest. Looting shops and setting fires in hotels where there are kids living is just plain idiotic. People are angry, worried frustrated. And it is summer and hot (you never see as much of this in the colder months.) Some of this is fuelled by lies and misinformation but any legitimate debate is in danger of being drowned in the sea of chancers and people who do just fancy a bit of a ruckus. Not sure quite where this will all lead right now.
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| Spiderman Horsham 05 Aug 24 8.33am |
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
The 'far right,' is a lazy convenient phrase which covers many groups. A bit like the way the word 'Reds,' was used in the past to describe anyone of slightly left leanings in the USA. Sadly this whole thing has now gone beyond political protest. Looting shops and setting fires in hotels where there are kids living is just plain idiotic. People are angry, worried frustrated. And it is summer and hot (you never see as much of this in the colder months.) Some of this is fuelled by lies and misinformation but any legitimate debate is in danger of being drowned in the sea of chancers and people who do just fancy a bit of a ruckus. Not sure quite where this will all lead right now. Good post. However, with regard to legitimate debate, there has been opportunity for this over several years but the politicians have turned a deaf ear to those that have concerns and have just labelled them far right. That term has now been completely diluted.
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| YT Oxford 05 Aug 24 8.38am |
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Originally posted by orpingtoneagle
The 'far right,' is a lazy convenient phrase which covers many groups. A bit like the way the word 'Reds,' was used in the past to describe anyone of slightly left leanings in the USA. Sadly this whole thing has now gone beyond political protest. Looting shops and setting fires in hotels where there are kids living is just plain idiotic. People are angry, worried frustrated. And it is summer and hot (you never see as much of this in the colder months.) Some of this is fuelled by lies and misinformation but any legitimate debate is in danger of being drowned in the sea of chancers and people who do just fancy a bit of a ruckus. Not sure quite where this will all lead right now. A good, reasoned post, mate (and I'm glad you've now sorted your keyboard out after your post on the SJ goalkeeping thread
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). Looking at some of the footage, it's clear that many of those involved are merely up for a fight. Some of them are teenagers and kids. There's no way on Earth they are part of an organised group or ideology - certainly not locally and definitely not nationally.| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Aug 24 8.39am |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Not unless they named everyone! They have attributed the disorder to the far right, as shorthand to describe the type who were rioting and are behind it. If a group smashing things up are also chanting the name of a well known agitator it seems a fair approach to me. As events unfolded they added caveats to indicate that there were others there too.
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| YT Oxford 05 Aug 24 8.45am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Not unless they named everyone! They have attributed the disorder to the far right, as shorthand to describe the type who were rioting and are behind it. If a group smashing things up are also chanting the name of a well known agitator it seems a fair approach to me. As events unfolded they added caveats to indicate that there were others there too. If another group smashing things up and brandishing bladed weapons is (not "are" by the way) also chanting "allahu akbar" it would seem a fair approach to me to describe them as "islamic extremists", yet the media seems unable to employ that phrase. I wonder why that is.
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Teddy Eagle  05 Aug 24 8.47am |
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Hopefully this will not be regarded as some kind whataboutery but rather to add some perspective.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 05 Aug 24 9.09am |
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Originally posted by YT
If another group smashing things up and brandishing bladed weapons is (not "are" by the way) also chanting "allahu akbar" it would seem a fair approach to me to describe them as "islamic extremists", yet the media seems unable to employ that phrase. I wonder why that is.
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