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 Spiderman  Horsham 18 Mar 21 7.36am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
Every care home resident will be able to nominate a single named visitor who will be able to enter the care home for regular visits. These visitors should be tested using rapid lateral flow tests before every visit, must wear the appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE) and follow all other infection control measures (which the care home will guide them on) during visits. Visitors and residents are advised to keep physical contact to a minimum. Visitors and residents may wish to hold hands, but should bear in mind that any contact increases the risk of transmission. There should not be close physical contact such as hugging Care homes can continue to offer visits to other friends or family members with arrangements such as outdoor visiting, substantial screens, visiting pods, or behind windows In our case we are trying to keep all visitors to our outside pods rather than letting them inside.They can hold hands around the sides of uPVC screens provided the visitor wears gloves. Many thanks
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| Mapletree Croydon 18 Mar 21 8.14am |
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Originally posted by Tim Gypsy Hill '64
Oh? The AZ vaccine they refuse to endorse? But they will stop the UK from having it? How civil. No. The ingredients for the Pfizer vaccine. Which has almost identical rates of blood clotting post vaccination (below the normal background rate of clotting by the way) yet has not been halted.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 18 Mar 21 8.33am |
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Originally posted by Mapletree
No. The ingredients for the Pfizer vaccine. Which has almost identical rates of blood clotting post vaccination (below the normal background rate of clotting by the way) yet has not been halted. The Pill has a high rate of blood clotting, just saying. The EU is in a hole but they keep digging, every time that woman opens her mouth she insults or threatens this country. Remainers are no doubt embarrassed by the current crop of EU politicians. Maybe they should re-work their Brexit placards "But we supported you how can you do this to us"
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| steeleye20 Croydon 18 Mar 21 4.05pm |
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I don't have any problem with the UK taking until July. And the EU should meet their July target comfortably. I don't share the general hysteria about vaccines in any case. There seems to be more scepticism among EU citizens generally, and Merkel is not rushing for her jab. Feeling very cautious, grandstanding about vaccine success makes me more so.
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 SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 18 Mar 21 6.47pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
The Pill has a high rate of blood clotting, just saying. The EU is in a hole but they keep digging, every time that woman opens her mouth she insults or threatens this country. Remainers are no doubt embarrassed by the current crop of EU politicians. Maybe they should re-work their Brexit placards "But we supported you how can you do this to us" They're just being overcautious, with a twist of politicising for good measure Probably saw this as a great opportunity to smokescreen their cock up in getting supply into the EU – gives them an out 'Oh, we've got less about because we're halting it all due to possible side effects' All complete nonsense. It's a classic case of oversensitivity leading to classification of a (lower than) normal occurrence as a causal link, when it's not. The expected stats on DVT, for example, are 1 in every 1000. So out of 17 million people you'd expect 17,000 to develop DVT within a 12 month period. To quote a stat prof “So that means that there will have been – and you can pretty well guarantee it – 350 people who have had an AstraZeneca jab then had a deep vein thrombosis in the week following that. “I think what’s surprising is that only 15 have been reported as a possible adverse effect.”
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| davenotamonkey 19 Mar 21 12.13pm |
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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
They're just being overcautious, with a twist of politicising for good measure Probably saw this as a great opportunity to smokescreen their cock up in getting supply into the EU – gives them an out 'Oh, we've got less about because we're halting it all due to possible side effects' All complete nonsense. It's a classic case of oversensitivity leading to classification of a (lower than) normal occurrence as a causal link, when it's not. The expected stats on DVT, for example, are 1 in every 1000. So out of 17 million people you'd expect 17,000 to develop DVT within a 12 month period. To quote a stat prof “So that means that there will have been – and you can pretty well guarantee it – 350 people who have had an AstraZeneca jab then had a deep vein thrombosis in the week following that. “I think what’s surprising is that only 15 have been reported as a possible adverse effect.” But that makes zero sense. Absolutely ZERO. The only logical basis for suspending the vaccine is where the deaths it causes exeeds the number that would arise by NOT rolling out the vaccine.
Say there's a 0.001% chance each sip of water will kill you. There's a 90% chance the thirst will kill you if you don't sip it at all, while you're walking to that Oasis. I've stacked the odds deliberately here (covid does not kill 90%), but the underlying logic is there. You keep sipping that water until you get to the oasis ("open, pour, be yourself once more"). This is where the "precautionary principle" utterly utterly fails: by not considering the implications of suspension, and the deaths that causes. But hey-ho. Anything to make a political point. Brexit vaccine bad.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Mar 21 12.35pm |
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey
The only logical basis for suspending the vaccine is where the deaths it causes exeeds the number that would arise by NOT rolling out the vaccine. Mmmm...that's not how vaccines are normally approved, normally safety requirements are high....still, nothing has been normal since this started. I could accept that amongst the vulnerable population your argument would get stronger dependent upon statistics, however amongst the young, fit and healthy not so much. Like it's been said, I think that what's happening has political elements. That said, we don't really know the real picture yet because the topic has lots of competing agendas. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Mar 2021 12.38pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 19 Mar 21 5.10pm |
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Lots of the EU seeing a 3rd wave of C19.
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ASCPFC  Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Mar 21 5.57pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Mmmm...that's not how vaccines are normally approved, normally safety requirements are high....still, nothing has been normal since this started. I could accept that amongst the vulnerable population your argument would get stronger dependent upon statistics, however amongst the young, fit and healthy not so much. Like it's been said, I think that what's happening has political elements. That said, we don't really know the real picture yet because the topic has lots of competing agendas. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Mar 2021 12.38pm) The French Chief Medical Officer made a statement that doubts about the AZ vaccine were purely political. Which I thought was pretty decent. This forced the EU medical agency to admit there was no dangers associated with the AZ vaccine - over risks a person not having the vaccine getting blood clots. There have been lower numbers of adverse reactions than the companies even expected. They expected around 1 in a 1000 to have problems, and it's been more like one in 10,000 and even much less than that.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Mar 21 6.13pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Lots of the EU seeing a 3rd wave of C19. It has to be said that while I don't put total faith in the accuracy of statistics in this area the disparity between the UK and most of Europe on acquiring and distributing vaccine is stark. The rapid and efficient vaccination of the UK's most vulnerable seems to have had a dramatic effect upon the number of cases.
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Attachment: | Stirlingsays 19 Mar 21 6.21pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
The French Chief Medical Officer made a statement that doubts about the AZ vaccine were purely political. Which I thought was pretty decent. This forced the EU medical agency to admit there was no dangers associated with the AZ vaccine - over risks a person not having the vaccine getting blood clots. There have been lower numbers of adverse reactions than the companies even expected. They expected around 1 in a 1000 to have problems, and it's been more like one in 10,000 and even much less than that. I suspect that recent events have a touch of the political about them. Any talk about vaccine safety is always a touchy subject and besides is kind of irrelevant without extensive data over much longer than a few months.
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| Runningman Keston 19 Mar 21 6.27pm |
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I hope we don’t open travel corridors to/from the EU for holiday purposes. Why risk re-importing the virus (including new strains) until Europe embraces the need to vaccinate to beat the virus.
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