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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 13 Oct 17 12.37am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger And please take Gusset with you. He talks the talk but lacks Big testicles. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 13 Oct 17 12.37am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And please take Gusset with you.

He talks the talk but lacks Big testicles.

Pro USA & Israel

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chris123 hove actually 13 Oct 17 6.29am
Originally posted by europalace Certainly not, the Eurozone which makes up the greater part of the EU is booming. It's the UK that has massive debt and an economy that's in retreat compared to the EU. Everyone wants to trade with the largest trading bloc in the world which currently happens to be the EU, particularly countries such as China and Japan. Edited by europalace (12 Oct 2017 9.06pm) The EU do not trade tariff free with China or Japan though, goods circulate freely once import tariffs have been paid, and US is the biggest investor and trader in the EU. Edited by chris123 (13 Oct 2017 6.30am)
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Originally posted by europalace

Certainly not, the Eurozone which makes up the greater part of the EU is booming. It's the UK that has massive debt and an economy that's in retreat compared to the EU. Everyone wants to trade with the largest trading bloc in the world which currently happens to be the EU, particularly countries such as China and Japan.

Edited by europalace (12 Oct 2017 9.06pm)

The EU do not trade tariff free with China or Japan though, goods circulate freely once import tariffs have been paid, and US is the biggest investor and trader in the EU.

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europalace Europe 13 Oct 17 7.40am
Originally posted by davenotamonkey Make your mind up. The usual remainiac counter to a rising FTSE-100 is a falling pound (which is why I also included the 250). Now the index is meant to rise with the pound? Hard to keep up with the latest remainiac lines. And no, the reason the pound "rose" was that it recovered losses from earlier when Barnier was doing his FUD act as per spec from Varoufakis. You know why? Because the fundamentals didn't change. The FTSE has risen when the pound weakens as it makes shares cheaper for foreign investors. When Sterling rises you will see the FTSE impacted negatively as shares become more expensive and profits are taken by foreign investors. The FTSE's rise in the last 12 months has been down to a weak Sterling. Oh, by the way, Vienna has been voted best city for quality of life in Europe for the last few years, London doesn't even make the top ten: [Link] [Link] Beautiful country with fantastic infrastructure Edited by europalace (13 Oct 2017 7.47am)
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Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Make your mind up. The usual remainiac counter to a rising FTSE-100 is a falling pound (which is why I also included the 250). Now the index is meant to rise with the pound? Hard to keep up with the latest remainiac lines.

And no, the reason the pound "rose" was that it recovered losses from earlier when Barnier was doing his FUD act as per spec from Varoufakis. You know why? Because the fundamentals didn't change.

The FTSE has risen when the pound weakens as it makes shares cheaper for foreign investors. When Sterling rises you will see the FTSE impacted negatively as shares become more expensive and profits are taken by foreign investors. The FTSE's rise in the last 12 months has been down to a weak Sterling.

Oh, by the way, Vienna has been voted best city for quality of life in Europe for the last few years, London doesn't even make the top ten:

[Link]

Beautiful country with fantastic infrastructure

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Kermit8 Hevon 13 Oct 17 8.14am
A probable consequence. One of many I fear. "The profitability of the average UK farm could fall by as much as half after Brexit, new research suggests. The report, by the Agriculture & Horticulture Development Board (AHDB), says the "worst-case scenario" would cut average farm profits from £38,000 a year to just £15,000. The analysis tries to model the effects of cheaper imported food, reduced subsidies and more expensive labour." Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 13 Oct 17 8.14am

A probable consequence. One of many I fear.

"The profitability of the average UK farm could fall by as much as half after Brexit, new research suggests.
The report, by the Agriculture & Horticulture Development Board (AHDB), says the "worst-case scenario" would cut average farm profits from £38,000 a year to just £15,000.
The analysis tries to model the effects of cheaper imported food, reduced subsidies and more expensive labour."

Big chest and massive boobs

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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Oct 17 8.20am
Originally posted by Kermit8 A probable consequence. One of many I fear. "The profitability of the average UK farm could fall by as much as half after Brexit, new research suggests. The report, by the Agriculture & Horticulture Development Board (AHDB), says the "worst-case scenario" would cut average farm profits from £38,000 a year to just £15,000. The analysis tries to model the effects of cheaper imported food, reduced subsidies and more expensive labour." Boring. The worst case scenario. What about the best?
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Originally posted by Kermit8

A probable consequence. One of many I fear.

Boring.

The worst case scenario. What about the best?

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hedgehog50 Croydon 13 Oct 17 8.30am
Originally posted by Kermit8 A probable consequence. One of many I fear. "The profitability of the average UK farm could fall by as much as half after Brexit, new research suggests. The report, by the Agriculture & Horticulture Development Board (AHDB), says the "worst-case scenario" would cut average farm profits from £38,000 a year to just £15,000. The analysis tries to model the effects of cheaper imported food, reduced subsidies and more expensive labour." What do you care, most farmers vote Tory. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 13 Oct 17 8.30am

Originally posted by Kermit8

A probable consequence. One of many I fear.

What do you care, most farmers vote Tory.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 13 Oct 17 8.41am
Originally posted by Mapletree I have always struggled to know what Brexit people did vote for, it wasn't well articulated. Lots of people talking about immigration, as though Brexit will stop that. Also about reducing bureaucracy. Well maybe but then again maybe the replacement will be a lesser focus on social welfare. After all, the whole thing has been driven throughout by individuals with a lot to gain. Not a recipe for a fairer share of the spoils in the brave new world. If the pain is worthwhile it surely won't be in my working lifetime. I doubt people realised how prolonged the agony is going to be. I think for a lot of people it wasn't about immigration but one in the eye for the establishment and them having a chance to say "this isn't working, the UK is going down the plug hole and society is horribly unequal". The majority of people do not want the Tory idea of Brexit. The majority probably don't care too much about the EU to be honest. They just want a system that is fairer, more equal and where public services and communities are invested in and helped and not simply left to rot. Sadly the Tories have used the result for their own ends and the lack of strength in the government is actually only helping them deliver a Brexit that works for the establishment and just gives them and the already wealthy more power.
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Originally posted by Mapletree

I have always struggled to know what Brexit people did vote for, it wasn't well articulated.

Lots of people talking about immigration, as though Brexit will stop that. Also about reducing bureaucracy. Well maybe but then again maybe the replacement will be a lesser focus on social welfare. After all, the whole thing has been driven throughout by individuals with a lot to gain. Not a recipe for a fairer share of the spoils in the brave new world.

If the pain is worthwhile it surely won't be in my working lifetime. I doubt people realised how prolonged the agony is going to be.

I think for a lot of people it wasn't about immigration but one in the eye for the establishment and them having a chance to say "this isn't working, the UK is going down the plug hole and society is horribly unequal".

The majority of people do not want the Tory idea of Brexit. The majority probably don't care too much about the EU to be honest. They just want a system that is fairer, more equal and where public services and communities are invested in and helped and not simply left to rot.

Sadly the Tories have used the result for their own ends and the lack of strength in the government is actually only helping them deliver a Brexit that works for the establishment and just gives them and the already wealthy more power.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 13 Oct 17 8.45am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays At some point....I don't know when but you are going to realise that Brexit is happening. The EU is there for you to leave for at any point. Patriotic my foot......lover of centralised undemocratic power. The plan to have power vested in ministers and outside the auspices of parliament is the definition of undemocratic. If it was about sovereign powers then the areas of law and regulations currently made in Brussels would in future be made in Parliament. That's not the plan. It's for decisions to be taken unilaterally be dangerous thugs like Johnson and lunatics like Michael Gove. That's worse that the current system. It would be worse whichever party was in government. Irrespective of your political allegiances this is not what people voted for!
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Sydenham 13 Oct 17 8.45am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

At some point....I don't know when but you are going to realise that Brexit is happening.

The EU is there for you to leave for at any point.

Patriotic my foot......lover of centralised undemocratic power.

The plan to have power vested in ministers and outside the auspices of parliament is the definition of undemocratic.

If it was about sovereign powers then the areas of law and regulations currently made in Brussels would in future be made in Parliament. That's not the plan. It's for decisions to be taken unilaterally be dangerous thugs like Johnson and lunatics like Michael Gove. That's worse that the current system. It would be worse whichever party was in government. Irrespective of your political allegiances this is not what people voted for!

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Stirlingsays 13 Oct 17 8.46am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle I think for a lot of people it wasn't about immigration but one in the eye for the establishment and them having a chance to say "this isn't working, the UK is going down the plug hole and society is horribly unequal". The majority of people do not want the Tory idea of Brexit. The majority probably don't care too much about the EU to be honest. They just want a system that is fairer, more equal and where public services and communities are invested in and helped and not simply left to rot. Sadly the Tories have used the result for their own ends and the lack of strength in the government is actually only helping them deliver a Brexit that works for the establishment and just gives them and the already wealthy more power. How unexpected, Cambridge sees Brexit through the lens of his own beliefs. Apparently most people don't care about the EU.....Where in reality, more people voted against membership of the EU than have ever voted for anything in this country ever. But for you.....na, it wasn't about the EU...it was one in the eye for the establishment. Yet, come the election after it....less vote...and less vote for Labour than the ruling Tories by fifty odd seats. Some poke in the establishment eye that was. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2017 8.53am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

How unexpected, Cambridge sees Brexit through the lens of his own beliefs.

Apparently most people don't care about the EU.....Where in reality, more people voted against membership of the EU than have ever voted for anything in this country ever.

But for you.....na, it wasn't about the EU...it was one in the eye for the establishment.

Yet, come the election after it....less vote...and less vote for Labour than the ruling Tories by fifty odd seats.

Some poke in the establishment eye that was.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Oct 2017 8.53am)

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Stirlingsays 13 Oct 17 8.52am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle The plan to have power vested in ministers and outside the auspices of parliament is the definition of undemocratic. If it was about sovereign powers then the areas of law and regulations currently made in Brussels would in future be made in Parliament. That's not the plan. It's for decisions to be taken unilaterally be dangerous thugs like Johnson and lunatics like Michael Gove. That's worse that the current system. It would be worse whichever party was in government. Irrespective of your political allegiances this is not what people voted for! How a remainer can complain about something being democratic or not is breath-taking. Parliaments are elected. The largest parties hold power because of an electoral mandate. If we don't like what Johnson and co do....well we can vote them out. I prefer those lunatics to your lunatics. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Oct 17 8.52am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

The plan to have power vested in ministers and outside the auspices of parliament is the definition of undemocratic.

How a remainer can complain about something being democratic or not is breath-taking. Parliaments are elected. The largest parties hold power because of an electoral mandate. If we don't like what Johnson and co do....well we can vote them out.

I prefer those lunatics to your lunatics.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 13 Oct 17 8.54am
Originally posted by .TUX. To where, more debt? EU public debt is lower than in the UK. Growth is also higher there so projections show that Debt will fall in EU but rise in UK...
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Sydenham 13 Oct 17 8.54am

Originally posted by .TUX.

To where, more debt?

EU public debt is lower than in the UK. Growth is also higher there so projections show that Debt will fall in EU but rise in UK...

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chris123 hove actually 13 Oct 17 9.02am
Originally posted by CambridgeEagle EU public debt is lower than in the UK. Growth is also higher there so projections show that Debt will fall in EU but rise in UK... That stat needs quarantining as the EU debt to GDP is skewed by Germany - Italy, France and Spain have higher debt ratios than the UK.
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hove actually 13 Oct 17 9.02am

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

EU public debt is lower than in the UK. Growth is also higher there so projections show that Debt will fall in EU but rise in UK...

That stat needs quarantining as the EU debt to GDP is skewed by Germany - Italy, France and Spain have higher debt ratios than the UK.

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