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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Dec 20 12.35pm
Originally posted by jeeagles A friend of mine is working on the track and trace. They told me that yesterday they spoke to a woman who was on her way to work and had symptoms. She told them she was to busy to deal with them and had ordered an NHS home test. She can get a fine, but could her work also sack her if they find out she's ignored an instruction to self isolated? If her work don't tell her to go home and self isolate, then could they be prosecuted under the Health and Safety at Work Act? Any expert would ask more about the employment and employer and where the still come to work decisions are coming from. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Dec 20 12.35pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

A friend of mine is working on the track and trace.

They told me that yesterday they spoke to a woman who was on her way to work and had symptoms. She told them she was to busy to deal with them and had ordered an NHS home test.

She can get a fine, but could her work also sack her if they find out she's ignored an instruction to self isolated?

If her work don't tell her to go home and self isolate, then could they be prosecuted under the Health and Safety at Work Act?

Any expert would ask more about the employment and employer and where the still come to work decisions are coming from.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Dec 20 12.43pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Surrey Tier 3. Looks like much of the country will be in Tier 3 for Christmas. Great, just what everyone wanted. I thought this morning that the 8 days after Boxing Day to Monday Jan 4th when most people will be back at work will be more a risk of spreading Covid than Christmas Day itself. The 5 day guidance seemed too long to me and wouldn’t make any difference if it’s the same people over 3 or 5 days. But of course it won’t be. That’s when people see extended family. Of course shop workers go back on the 26th or 27th and some on the 28th for a few days, but probably not as many as usual. Probably hardly any. They’ll either leave it until 4th jan or work from then or as they have been. So if you did catch Covid on the 25th-26th let’s say, most will have 8 days to develop symptoms and decide to isolate. And on the asymptomatic spread. We’re now hearing claims it causes 1 in 3 infections. Is it even causing anything near that at all? There’s been a lot of talk about it causing barely any further infections. Won’t it come down to people not taking any precautions whatsoever as usual? Edited by Rudi Hedman (17 Dec 2020 1.07pm) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Dec 20 12.43pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Surrey Tier 3. Looks like much of the country will be in Tier 3 for Christmas. Great, just what everyone wanted.

I thought this morning that the 8 days after Boxing Day to Monday Jan 4th when most people will be back at work will be more a risk of spreading Covid than Christmas Day itself.

The 5 day guidance seemed too long to me and wouldn’t make any difference if it’s the same people over 3 or 5 days. But of course it won’t be. That’s when people see extended family.

Of course shop workers go back on the 26th or 27th and some on the 28th for a few days, but probably not as many as usual. Probably hardly any. They’ll either leave it until 4th jan or work from then or as they have been. So if you did catch Covid on the 25th-26th let’s say, most will have 8 days to develop symptoms and decide to isolate.

And on the asymptomatic spread. We’re now hearing claims it causes 1 in 3 infections. Is it even causing anything near that at all? There’s been a lot of talk about it causing barely any further infections.

Won’t it come down to people not taking any precautions whatsoever as usual?

Edited by Rudi Hedman (17 Dec 2020 1.07pm)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Dec 20 12.45pm
I spoke to the neighbour of an elderly lady who’s positive but up walking at home. They can’t work out where she got it from. I asked and found out she’d been for quite a few or a lot of hospital visits. It’s strange how people just aren’t even aware of this. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Dec 20 12.45pm

I spoke to the neighbour of an elderly lady who’s positive but up walking at home. They can’t work out where she got it from. I asked and found out she’d been for quite a few or a lot of hospital visits. It’s strange how people just aren’t even aware of this.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 17 Dec 20 12.51pm
YAWN. Is this Bulls* scam still going? mask Up, wash your hands frequently & if your so scared of it then stay in & let the rest of us get on with it. It's the this can open & this must close as It's dangerous bulls* most people are pissed off with. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 17 Dec 20 12.51pm

YAWN. Is this Bulls*** scam still going? mask Up, wash your hands frequently & if your so scared of it then stay in & let the rest of us get on with it.
It's the this can open & this must close as It's dangerous bulls*** most people are pissed off with.

Pro USA & Israel

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Spiderman Horsham 17 Dec 20 1.10pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Surrey Tier 3. Looks like much of the country will be in Tier 3 for Christmas. Great, just what everyone wanted. Daughter lives in Guildford, Tier 3 but not Cranleigh, Haslemere, Farnham and Godalming and all surrounding villages. Is the Tier system not stopping on 23rd for3 days?
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Horsham 17 Dec 20 1.10pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Surrey Tier 3. Looks like much of the country will be in Tier 3 for Christmas. Great, just what everyone wanted.

Daughter lives in Guildford, Tier 3 but not Cranleigh, Haslemere, Farnham and Godalming and all surrounding villages. Is the Tier system not stopping on 23rd for3 days?

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Eaglecoops CR3 17 Dec 20 1.24pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Daughter lives in Guildford, Tier 3 but not Cranleigh, Haslemere, Farnham and Godalming and all surrounding villages. Is the Tier system not stopping on 23rd for3 days? To be fair, most people in the UK would do well to find Cranleigh so I’m surprised it’s not in Tier 1. I think the point about the change for Xmas is that even if it does weaken the restrictions, would pubs open for a couple of days? It would be chaos and probably non profit making given the stocking of beer and then throwing away what is left.
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CR3 17 Dec 20 1.24pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Daughter lives in Guildford, Tier 3 but not Cranleigh, Haslemere, Farnham and Godalming and all surrounding villages. Is the Tier system not stopping on 23rd for3 days?

To be fair, most people in the UK would do well to find Cranleigh so I’m surprised it’s not in Tier 1.

I think the point about the change for Xmas is that even if it does weaken the restrictions, would pubs open for a couple of days? It would be chaos and probably non profit making given the stocking of beer and then throwing away what is left.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 17 Dec 20 1.27pm
Originally posted by Spiderman Daughter lives in Guildford, Tier 3 but not Cranleigh, Haslemere, Farnham and Godalming and all surrounding villages. Is the Tier system not stopping on 23rd for3 days? Pretty sure tiers are still in operation throughout the 5 day christmas special. It's just the amount of bubbles you are allowed to have, and therefore people that you are allowed to host in your home that is different. For example, restaurants and pubs will still be closed in tier 3 areas. I already know of two people that are ignoring the advice entirely and having 10+ people over on both Christmas and Boxing day, from multiple households in complete deliberate ignorance of the rules. Personally I think they're pretty selfish, but what can you do other than make the point and leave it at that. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 17 Dec 20 1.27pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

Daughter lives in Guildford, Tier 3 but not Cranleigh, Haslemere, Farnham and Godalming and all surrounding villages. Is the Tier system not stopping on 23rd for3 days?

Pretty sure tiers are still in operation throughout the 5 day christmas special. It's just the amount of bubbles you are allowed to have, and therefore people that you are allowed to host in your home that is different. For example, restaurants and pubs will still be closed in tier 3 areas.

I already know of two people that are ignoring the advice entirely and having 10+ people over on both Christmas and Boxing day, from multiple households in complete deliberate ignorance of the rules. Personally I think they're pretty selfish, but what can you do other than make the point and leave it at that.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Eaglecoops CR3 17 Dec 20 1.40pm
Oh well, yet more money then going to the big companies, (Supermarkets, delivery giants) rather than small businesses, (pubs, clubs, shops and restaurants). Amazon and the supermarkets will have made serious profit out of the pandemic.
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Eaglecoops

CR3 17 Dec 20 1.40pm

Oh well, yet more money then going to the big companies, (Supermarkets, delivery giants) rather than small businesses, (pubs, clubs, shops and restaurants).

Amazon and the supermarkets will have made serious profit out of the pandemic.

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Spiderman Horsham 17 Dec 20 2.02pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Pretty sure tiers are still in operation throughout the 5 day christmas special. It's just the amount of bubbles you are allowed to have, and therefore people that you are allowed to host in your home that is different. For example, restaurants and pubs will still be closed in tier 3 areas. I already know of two people that are ignoring the advice entirely and having 10+ people over on both Christmas and Boxing day, from multiple households in complete deliberate ignorance of the rules. Personally I think they're pretty selfish, but what can you do other than make the point and leave it at that. She is coming to us for Christmas no one else but we are in Tier 2, can she still come? I was of the opinion that what you have said refers to Wales Edited by Spiderman (17 Dec 2020 2.05pm)
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Horsham 17 Dec 20 2.02pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

She is coming to us for Christmas no one else but we are in Tier 2, can she still come?
I was of the opinion that what you have said refers to Wales

Edited by Spiderman (17 Dec 2020 2.05pm)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Dec 20 2.03pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops Oh well, yet more money then going to the big companies, (Supermarkets, delivery giants) rather than small businesses, (pubs, clubs, shops and restaurants). Amazon and the supermarkets will have made serious profit out of the pandemic. Overheard someone say ‘’It’s alright, Sussex is still in tier 2. It’s not too far away.’’ The M23, A23 and A22 will be busy. [Link] This Hastings example isn’t a surprise. These are the 2 reasons why positives have been high in some areas. Either the area was lucky to not get the virus earlier or there’s a lot of people who ignore everything or never pay any attention to news or current affairs. Havering another example. It’s Romford so I’m again not surprised. I’ve been all for keeping as much ticking over as normal but not ignoring everything like you know will be happening in places like Romford. The one hope is they get a move on with the vaccinations for older people and vulnerable and give up on restricting everything to ruin. I have a lot of hope for the former but not the latter. We’re being run by what’s more a social Democratic Party influenced by doctors but probably more behavioural scientists. COYP
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Caterham 17 Dec 20 2.03pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Oh well, yet more money then going to the big companies, (Supermarkets, delivery giants) rather than small businesses, (pubs, clubs, shops and restaurants).

Amazon and the supermarkets will have made serious profit out of the pandemic.

Overheard someone say ‘’It’s alright, Sussex is still in tier 2. It’s not too far away.’’ The M23, A23 and A22 will be busy.

[Link]

This Hastings example isn’t a surprise. These are the 2 reasons why positives have been high in some areas. Either the area was lucky to not get the virus earlier or there’s a lot of people who ignore everything or never pay any attention to news or current affairs. Havering another example. It’s Romford so I’m again not surprised. I’ve been all for keeping as much ticking over as normal but not ignoring everything like you know will be happening in places like Romford.

The one hope is they get a move on with the vaccinations for older people and vulnerable and give up on restricting everything to ruin. I have a lot of hope for the former but not the latter. We’re being run by what’s more a social Democratic Party influenced by doctors but probably more behavioural scientists.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Dec 20 2.09pm
Originally posted by Spiderman She is coming to us for Christmas no one else but we are in Tier 2, can she still come? I was of the opinion that what you have said refers to Wales Edited by Spiderman (17 Dec 2020 2.05pm) She ‘can’ between 23-27th. [Link] ‘Travel within the UK From 2 December to 22 December and from 28 December onwards, the advice on travelling outside of your tier, including for overnight stays, will depend on your tier. Check the rules for your tier. Between 23 and 27 December, you should consider carefully the risks of travelling to see your Christmas bubble. If you live in an area with the highest level of protection, for example, tier 3 in England and level 4 in Scotland, you should avoid travelling to lower prevalence areas where possible. If you have to travel, book ahead to enable you and others to travel safely and plan your outwards and return journeys carefully. Once at your destination, you should follow the rules in that tier, stay local and avoid unnecessary travel within the area after you arrive. You cannot see your Christmas bubble before 23 December, or stay with them after the 27 December except in exceptional circumstances (for example, in the event of unforeseen travel disruption, or if a member of your Christmas bubble develops symptoms of coronavirus and you are required to self-isolate). This includes anyone travelling to or from Northern Ireland, however where travel arrangements require it, those travelling to or from Northern Ireland may travel from 22 December up until 28 December.’ No travelling between tiers means not going up or down tiers because the people you’re meeting are doing the opposite. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 17 Dec 20 2.09pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

She is coming to us for Christmas no one else but we are in Tier 2, can she still come?
I was of the opinion that what you have said refers to Wales

Edited by Spiderman (17 Dec 2020 2.05pm)

She ‘can’ between 23-27th.

[Link]

‘Travel within the UK
From 2 December to 22 December and from 28 December onwards, the advice on travelling outside of your tier, including for overnight stays, will depend on your tier. Check the rules for your tier.

Between 23 and 27 December, you should consider carefully the risks of travelling to see your Christmas bubble. If you live in an area with the highest level of protection, for example, tier 3 in England and level 4 in Scotland, you should avoid travelling to lower prevalence areas where possible. If you have to travel, book ahead to enable you and others to travel safely and plan your outwards and return journeys carefully. Once at your destination, you should follow the rules in that tier, stay local and avoid unnecessary travel within the area after you arrive.

You cannot see your Christmas bubble before 23 December, or stay with them after the 27 December except in exceptional circumstances (for example, in the event of unforeseen travel disruption, or if a member of your Christmas bubble develops symptoms of coronavirus and you are required to self-isolate). This includes anyone travelling to or from Northern Ireland, however where travel arrangements require it, those travelling to or from Northern Ireland may travel from 22 December up until 28 December.’

No travelling between tiers means not going up or down tiers because the people you’re meeting are doing the opposite.

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Spiderman Horsham 17 Dec 20 2.36pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman She ‘can’ between 23-27th. [Link] ‘Travel within the UK From 2 December to 22 December and from 28 December onwards, the advice on travelling outside of your tier, including for overnight stays, will depend on your tier. Check the rules for your tier. Between 23 and 27 December, you should consider carefully the risks of travelling to see your Christmas bubble. If you live in an area with the highest level of protection, for example, tier 3 in England and level 4 in Scotland, you should avoid travelling to lower prevalence areas where possible. If you have to travel, book ahead to enable you and others to travel safely and plan your outwards and return journeys carefully. Once at your destination, you should follow the rules in that tier, stay local and avoid unnecessary travel within the area after you arrive. You cannot see your Christmas bubble before 23 December, or stay with them after the 27 December except in exceptional circumstances (for example, in the event of unforeseen travel disruption, or if a member of your Christmas bubble develops symptoms of coronavirus and you are required to self-isolate). This includes anyone travelling to or from Northern Ireland, however where travel arrangements require it, those travelling to or from Northern Ireland may travel from 22 December up until 28 December.’ No travelling between tiers means not going up or down tiers because the people you’re meeting are doing the opposite. Many thanks
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Spiderman

Horsham 17 Dec 20 2.36pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

She ‘can’ between 23-27th.

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No travelling between tiers means not going up or down tiers because the people you’re meeting are doing the opposite.

Many thanks

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