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Penge Eagle Beckenham 11 Oct 17 9.15am | |
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She is a total idiot!
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 11 Oct 17 9.31am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
It's like she wants to mess things up for herself on.purpose the amount of times she's fecked up. [Tweet Link]
This was nothing short of an admission that she doesn't believe in her own government's Brexit strategy. Can anyone on here explain why the Tory Breixt mob are so keen to push us towards "no deal"? I seem to recall in the referendum campaign that multiple senior figures in the leave campaign said we'd get a great deal with all the same benefits and it would be easy. Now they're all saying it's time to get ready to jump off the cliff without a parachute? Are there any Brexit voters out there who feel that they were mis-sold? Perhaps we need a Brexit compensation scheme a la PPI. Maybe we just need to get rid of the Tories as they have shown that they can't be trusted to act in the best interests of the nation. It's a bloody mess.
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Stirlingsays 11 Oct 17 9.59am | |
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Originally posted by Penge Eagle
She is a total idiot! I won't vote Tory with her as leader. She's a social justice warrior and a remainer to boot.
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npn Crowborough 11 Oct 17 10.10am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Can anyone on here explain why the Tory Breixt mob are so keen to push us towards "no deal"? Are there any Brexit voters out there who feel that they were mis-sold? It's a bloody mess. I agree it's a mess, but if the EU want to play hardball to protect themselves from other people leaving, I really don't see what else the UK can do. It's either no deal or bend over and say "thank you Mr Junker, may I have another?" Incidentally, I didn't vote to leave, I just can't see how you can negotiate productively with these people, so we may as well accept that it's going to be a no deal unless something fundamental changes and stop wasting everyone's time. Negotiation means nothing if you're not prepared for the contingency plan to just walk away.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 11 Oct 17 10.28am | |
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Originally posted by npn
I agree it's a mess, but if the EU want to play hardball to protect themselves from other people leaving, I really don't see what else the UK can do. It's either no deal or bend over and say "thank you Mr Junker, may I have another?" Incidentally, I didn't vote to leave, I just can't see how you can negotiate productively with these people, so we may as well accept that it's going to be a no deal unless something fundamental changes and stop wasting everyone's time. Negotiation means nothing if you're not prepared for the contingency plan to just walk away. OK. How does no deal work though? What do EU citizens here do and UK citizens in the EU? How do planes take off and land to/from UK and EU? How does Customs and Excise work? How does bank passporting, AIFMD, permanent establishments of cross border businesses work? The country would effectively be cut off with "no deal". That would be a disaster. They would need to come to a deal of some sorts as "no deal" just doesn't work.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 11 Oct 17 10.29am | |
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The British Airline Passengers Association (BALPA) agrees with what Philip Hammond said about the theoretical possibility of a “no deal” Brexit stopping flights to the continent. This is what its general secretary Brian Strutton said in a statement yesterday. The entire UK aviation sector which employs nearly a million people and carries more than 250 million passengers per annum would be devastated by a Brexit ‘no deal’. Unlike most other sectors there are no World Trade Organisation or any other rules to fall back on for aviation if there is no deal. UK airlines could find they have to stop flying – it’s that serious. And this would impact passengers long before March 2019 because airlines couldn’t sell advance tickets and, frankly, would passengers risk buying them? It is utter madness for anyone to think that a Brexit ‘no deal’ would be anything but a total disaster for our world leading UK aviation sector and beyond. After all, without air cargo we will not be able to export or import freely. The entire industry has said that we have to see evidence of the post-Brexit plan for aviation now if we are to avert a catastrophic crisis of confidence.
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steeleye20 Croydon 11 Oct 17 10.30am | |
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Mrs May should cancel brexit forthwith. The damage is always repairable and our reputation as a trustworthy and reliable nation in the world restored. The tories should clear out their deluded old has-beens and look for politicians who can connect with the lives of ordinary people.
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Stirlingsays 11 Oct 17 10.32am | |
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Originally posted by npn
I agree it's a mess, but if the EU want to play hardball to protect themselves from other people leaving, I really don't see what else the UK can do. It's either no deal or bend over and say "thank you Mr Junker, may I have another?" Incidentally, I didn't vote to leave, I just can't see how you can negotiate productively with these people, so we may as well accept that it's going to be a no deal unless something fundamental changes and stop wasting everyone's time. Negotiation means nothing if you're not prepared for the contingency plan to just walk away. All common sense of course.....and in reality if Labour were in actual power they would probably agree with you. However, it's the political lying game isn't it. For them working against the government and doing anything to promote bad outcomes is more important than actually being truthful and working together for the country's good. Most politicians are not actually ethical people but are ruthless.....Look at happened, even with the Milibands. Brexit should be far more important than these people's careers......But we are seeing the reality out front and centre.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 11 Oct 17 11.07am | |
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Can anyone explain why Tory Brexiteers are going on about setting aside Billions in preparation for no deal? I thought we'd be getting back £350m a week not having to shell out billions from May's magic money tree? Surely these hardline Brexit fanatics should be pointing that out? Why hasn't Boris come out and said that the £350m a week will avoid the need for having to carve out billions from our Budget? Billions that should be being spent on the NHS etc.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Oct 17 11.15am | |
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Originally posted by CambridgeEagle
Can anyone explain why Tory Brexiteers are going on about setting aside Billions in preparation for no deal? I thought we'd be getting back £350m a week not having to shell out billions from May's magic money tree? Surely these hardline Brexit fanatics should be pointing that out? Why hasn't Boris come out and said that the £350m a week will avoid the need for having to carve out billions from our Budget? Billions that should be being spent on the NHS etc. I was under no illusion there would be short term pain for long term gain. The NHS claim shouldn't have been used by people not PM so I didn't believe that. Armageddon won't happen. It makes no sense to big European business leaders. The worst case scenario would be enough to send every exporting country into a serious recession. Those big business leaders have more influence than some dirt tracked East European cheap labour exporting country we never knew was coming 13-40 years ago. It's going to happen and we'll make it work.
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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 11 Oct 17 11.20am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I was under no illusion there would be short term pain for long term gain. The NHS claim shouldn't have been used by people not PM so I didn't believe that. Armageddon won't happen. It makes no sense to big European business leaders. The worst case scenario would be enough to send every exporting country into a serious recession. Those big business leaders have more influence than some dirt tracked East European cheap labour exporting country we never knew was coming 13-40 years ago. It's going to happen and we'll make it work.
Why are they so ardent that we should be jumping off the cliff? They seem to crave no deal. How do you reconcile the claims of exactly the same benefits as before with "taking back power"? How do you reconcile the chasm of opinion within a weak Tory party with everyone pulling in the same direction. I think part of the problem is that the EU doesn't know what we want and doesn't trust anything May says as she's weak and has contradicted herself on numerous occasions. Flip flopping on her own view last night was hardly helpful.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 11 Oct 17 11.21am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Mrs May should cancel brexit forthwith. The damage is always repairable and our reputation as a trustworthy and reliable nation in the world restored. The tories should clear out their deluded old has-beens and look for politicians who can connect with the lives of ordinary people. Ordinary will, possibly not far off, be living 16 to a house, 4 per room, on pitiful money and with little say left. Nick says we should embrace it. And we are trustworthy and reliable. Our bond markets vs others, the welcoming we get with our tourism and the keenness to open businesses due to the relatively talented workforce says so. What needs to be done is focusing on our people for a change to meet those opinions Western businesses have had for years, not lose it.
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