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 Y Ddraig Goch  In The Crowd 26 Apr 17 5.04pm |
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Originally posted by Willo
It is absolutely imperative that we have certainty and stability through Brexit negotiations and beyond. You are right but May using "strong and stable" every other sentence is pretty poor. I know that manifestos have not been released finished yet but she needs to have more than one tune.
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jamiemartin721  Reading 26 Apr 17 5.11pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
In terms of the Brexit negotiation...which is why this election is even taking place.. I'd say personality does play a part. If you are willing to walk away....which Labour have pretty much ruled out then the chances of actually cutting a reasonable deal become higher. Labour's policy on Brexit is to essentially lie to the population....no freedom of movement but the single market and customs union.....In other words, they would move on freedom of movement citing 'jobs' and so on. Essentially liars. You don't win at poker by always playing safe....and we are essentially entering a time period very much like that. Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Apr 2017 5.02pm) Of course the Conservative lie is that we 'can just walk away'. No one actually believes they will, or can, without creating all manner of economic consequences. The truth is probably somewhere in between, that we'll actually have to make some deals that aren't in our favour, to get what we want. Truth is, no one wants to tie themselves to policies about how the UK will progress after we leave the EU. Just in case they have to live up to them. I don't really care about the deal, I want to know what kind of UK they want to forge outside of Europe. Because there was no point in leaving the EU if we're just going to become a corporate lapdog which is the issue I had with the EU to begin with.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 26 Apr 17 5.13pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
You are right but May using "strong and stable" every other sentence is pretty poor. I know that manifestos have not been released finished yet but she needs to have more than one tune. So strong and stable that two complete outsiders that no one considered the next Tory Leader ended up in a head to head contest. One of whom most of the public had no idea who she was. Yeah, the Conservatives have a good reputation on being stable and strong when it comes to Europe... So much so, that they lost their last prime minister over it.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 26 Apr 17 5.19pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So strong and stable that two complete outsiders that no one considered the next Tory Leader ended up in a head to head contest. One of whom most of the public had no idea who she was. Yeah, the Conservatives have a good reputation on being stable and strong when it comes to Europe... So much so, that they lost their last prime minister over it. Surely Europe is the grave-yard of all tory prime ministers. Mrs May headstone being engraved now. They are lemmings over a cliff.
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| Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 26 Apr 17 5.23pm |
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Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch
You are right but May using "strong and stable" every other sentence is pretty poor. I know that manifestos have not been released finished yet but she needs to have more than one tune. Quite right, but Lyndon Crosby probably won't let her. Edited by Mr_Gristle (26 Apr 2017 5.24pm)
Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune) |
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| Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 26 Apr 17 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
So strong and stable that two complete outsiders that no one considered the next Tory Leader ended up in a head to head contest. One of whom most of the public had no idea who she was. Yeah, the Conservatives have a good reputation on being stable and strong when it comes to Europe... So much so, that they lost their last prime minister over it. I disagree, May has been touted for years as a future Tory Leader. Obviously Cameron going was not planned but he was going at the no of this term anyway. People, if the polls are to be believed, seem to like May. I don't know if that is because Corbyn is seen as poor or on her own merit. As for Europe, you have a point but Labour have similar problems too, the only party who have not had internal battles over Europe are th LibDems.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 17 5.31pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Of course the Conservative lie is that we 'can just walk away'. No one actually believes they will, or can, without creating all manner of economic consequences. The truth is probably somewhere in between, that we'll actually have to make some deals that aren't in our favour, to get what we want. Truth is, no one wants to tie themselves to policies about how the UK will progress after we leave the EU. Just in case they have to live up to them. I don't really care about the deal, I want to know what kind of UK they want to forge outside of Europe. Because there was no point in leaving the EU if we're just going to become a corporate lapdog which is the issue I had with the EU to begin with. Well said.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 17 5.32pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Surely Europe is the grave-yard of all tory prime ministers. Mrs May headstone being engraved now. They are lemmings over a cliff.
That is a myth.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Apr 17 6.21pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Of course the Conservative lie is that we 'can just walk away'. No one actually believes they will, or can, without creating all manner of economic consequences. The truth is probably somewhere in between, that we'll actually have to make some deals that aren't in our favour, to get what we want. Truth is, no one wants to tie themselves to policies about how the UK will progress after we leave the EU. Just in case they have to live up to them. I don't really care about the deal, I want to know what kind of UK they want to forge outside of Europe. Because there was no point in leaving the EU if we're just going to become a corporate lapdog which is the issue I had with the EU to begin with. You are probably right....Time will tell for certain. Though I think we have to be prepared to turn nasty if the alternative is that the EU wish to turn us into Greece. Obviously there are always political hot heads on both sides but I think the sensible heads will prevail. Still, Brexit was never about economic sense for half the country. Personally I hope some middle ground will be sought but if not then so be it. I don't envisage the EU being around in its present form for that long anyway....The vision of its more ardent politicians for its future just does not carry enough people along with it....and economic threats just make that divide worse.
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| Stirlingsays 26 Apr 17 6.23pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Surely Europe is the grave-yard of all tory prime ministers. Mrs May headstone being engraved now. They are lemmings over a cliff.
A Corbyn supporter using that phrase is worth plenty of chuckles.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 26 Apr 17 8.44pm |
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I see labour want to pay the nhs workers more money the stupid cnuts,,,what about the poor bankers,,,they work equally hard and deserve more surely? typical labour i say, we need to pay these bankers more or they might leave us and go to america!
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| Hrolf The Ganger 26 Apr 17 8.51pm |
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Originally posted by croydon proud
I see labour want to pay the nhs workers more money the stupid cnuts,,,what about the poor bankers,,,they work equally hard and deserve more surely? typical labour i say, we need to pay these bankers more or they might leave us and go to america! How much more did they get paid under the last Labour government?
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