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johnfirewall Flag 11 May 16 9.49am Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Originally posted by legaleagle

Umm...The same way we have changed our labour laws (at times controversially) a number of times over the years since joining the EU,and the same way our governments have "got round" the hassle of parliamentary democracy to introduce laws regularly over the years by using the Royal Prerogative...

We've just been told we can't make people work for benefits

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 11 May 16 2.50pm

Originally posted by johnfirewall

We've just been told we can't make people work for benefits

Quite right to, as this undermines people in low skill and manual labour jobs. Its seems on the surface a good idea, until you can't find a job, because employers can get someone to do it for free. Its really a dangerous concept, that like cheap migrant labour, will be used to reduce costs (wages) against the interests of working (because employers public and private are driven by costs, and will use such labour where ever possible).

Then there is the issue to the person in question. When I was unemployed, the job centre sent people for interviews.

If we're going to make people work, fine, lets make them work and pay them a fair rate for their work.

Not make them some cheap alternative where by employers can cut wages.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 11 May 16 2.52pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Billion wasn't it?

Wasn't that because we'd changed how we measured capital and decided to include black market income against the economic growth (which made them look great) but then got shirty when it was time to pay 'the dues'.

Its like people who engage in tax avoidance, and then complain about public services....

 


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johnfirewall Flag 11 May 16 4.28pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Quite right to, as this undermines people in low skill and manual labour jobs. Its seems on the surface a good idea, until you can't find a job, because employers can get someone to do it for free. Its really a dangerous concept, that like cheap migrant labour, will be used to reduce costs (wages) against the interests of working (because employers public and private are driven by costs, and will use such labour where ever possible).

Then there is the issue to the person in question. When I was unemployed, the job centre sent people for interviews.

If we're going to make people work, fine, lets make them work and pay them a fair rate for their work.

Not make them some cheap alternative where by employers can cut wages.

True. I forget that these people are actually made to work in Poundland, where instead the perfect solution would be to place them in roles which otherwise would be funded directly by the government, providing a triple benefit.

If people are so against outsourcing of public services, maybe cancel all the contracts and employ the unemployed.

No one should be above sweeping the streets if they've not bothered to find anything else. It would stop the 'jobs the English won't do' falacy as well.

 

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Hoof Hearted 11 May 16 4.55pm

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

Perhaps when this blo@dy war is over Hoof and the borders are reopened in say 40 years time we could meet at one of those memorial arches, remembering fallen comrades and wondering at the futility of it all...
Over here we are busy applauding (nay laughing) at the honesty of cucking for his admission that he would like a return to colonialisation...he must be a good bloke to have around when the bombs start falling....we dont know about that willo fellow tho. Despite constant reports that he can see the rational and obvious benefits of the remain campaign he insists LOUDLY he will vote leave. TBH we dont want him on our side Hoof, sounds like one of those unpopular types that deliberately takes the controversial and limited argument to provoke a bit of controversy ....perhaps it makes him feel more important than he is. We have enough trouble over here with those liberal beatnik peace and prosperity types ....going on about their 'enhanced life opportunities' and bottles of shiraz they will be enjoying if we remain. Get real i tell em, we are at war...there goes another blunder by one of our generals...Good day to you Hoof...

In 40 years I will be but a faded memory to my nephews and nieces who will still be benefiting from my estate hopefully.

I am fast approaching 62 and have Parkinson's and Diabetes.

I doubt that I'll get to see Corbyn's nose rubbed in it, in 2020.

I'm hoping that I'll have seen Palace win the FA Cup though!

Take care Johnny.

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Hoof Hearted 11 May 16 4.57pm

Originally posted by Stuk

Billion wasn't it?

indeed it was Stuk my faithful friend.

Yes... £1.8 Billion.... not an inconsequential amount!

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 11 May 16 7.22pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Wasn't that because we'd changed how we measured capital and decided to include black market income against the economic growth (which made them look great) but then got shirty when it was time to pay 'the dues'.

Its like people who engage in tax avoidance, and then complain about public services....

No, we have to include the black market due to EU rules because other countries, like Germany, have taxed prostitution as the Netherlands has taxed drugs. They claim it's not fair so everyone else has to guesstimate a black market economy which is then added to GDP figures etc. which they then use to work out who should contribute what to the EU budget.

The real reason we had to pay more is below.

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 11 May 16 7.23pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

The European Commission has begun a revision of EU budget shares. Because of the relative strength of its economy to the rest of the EU, the UK has by far the largest payment, due on 1 December.

The €2.1 billion is equal to a fifth of the UK’s annual transfer to Brussels. Other countries, such as Germany, and France – which has struggled to balance its budgets – will get rebates under the plans.


 


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Stuk Flag Top half 11 May 16 7.23pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

And why has this been moved to football talk?

 


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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 11 May 16 10.50pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

And why has this been moved to football talk?

Honestly, you just can't get the moderating staff any more.

 


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Stuk Flag Top half 11 May 16 11.05pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Honestly, you just can't get the moderating staff any more.

I'd dock their wages if I were in charge.

Edited by Stuk (11 May 2016 11.06pm)

 


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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 12 May 16 11.05am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by Stuk

And why has this been moved to football talk?


It's in salute of this season's League Two Champions. As we have all been guilty of talking it.

 


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