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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Oct 17 11.46pm | |
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The truth about migrants and the NHS.
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 08 Oct 17 11.52pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
The truth about migrants and the NHS.
Disclosure statement Karen Bloor has received project funding from the National Institute for Health Research, the Department of Health's Policy Research Programme and the European Union. The views expressed are her own.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Oct 17 11.58pm | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
Disclosure statement Karen Bloor has received project funding from the National Institute for Health Research, the Department of Health's Policy Research Programme and the European Union. The views expressed are her own. Good work Sherlock. Does this mean the research they quote is null and void?
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 09 Oct 17 12.05am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Good work Sherlock. Does this mean the research they quote is null and void? I notice how you have a knack of putting words in peoples mouths? But I'll answer. Probably not 'Null & Void' but very likely heavily Biased.
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elgrande bedford 09 Oct 17 4.04am | |
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Originally posted by Jimenez
I notice how you have a knack of putting words in peoples mouths? But I'll answer. Probably not 'Null & Void' but very likely heavily Biased. Ha ha well spotted.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Oct 17 7.38am | |
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[Figures quoted from 'Migration Watch'] The government introduced an NHS surcharge of £150 per year in 2015 for students and temporary migrants from outside the EU. By Autumn 2016 this had raised an extra £164 million. However, the NHS has also been criticised by the National Audit Office for inefficiency in collecting debts from non-EEA visitors and also for not being rigorous enough in checking the status of visiting patients from other European countries. In 2014/2015, the UK paid out £674 million to European Economic Area (EEA) countries for the treatment of UK nationals visiting Europe yet received just under £50 million from other European nations in the same year for the treatment of EEA visitors in Britain. The NAO adds that the failure to collect debts for treating visitors will cost the health service more than £200 million in 2017. Some argue that the NHS would collapse without migrant labour. It is true that migrants make up a significant share of the workforce. Research suggests that 26%-35% of doctors and 22% of nurses were born abroad, but no one is advocating restricting doctors or nurses from coming to work in Britain where they are needed. In summary, while migrants undoubtedly make a valuable contribution to the health profession, they also place certain pressures on it.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Oct 17 7.48am | |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
[Figures quoted from 'Migration Watch'] The government introduced an NHS surcharge of £150 per year in 2015 for students and temporary migrants from outside the EU. By Autumn 2016 this had raised an extra £164 million. However, the NHS has also been criticised by the National Audit Office for inefficiency in collecting debts from non-EEA visitors and also for not being rigorous enough in checking the status of visiting patients from other European countries. In 2014/2015, the UK paid out £674 million to European Economic Area (EEA) countries for the treatment of UK nationals visiting Europe yet received just under £50 million from other European nations in the same year for the treatment of EEA visitors in Britain. The NAO adds that the failure to collect debts for treating visitors will cost the health service more than £200 million in 2017. Some argue that the NHS would collapse without migrant labour. It is true that migrants make up a significant share of the workforce. Research suggests that 26%-35% of doctors and 22% of nurses were born abroad, but no one is advocating restricting doctors or nurses from coming to work in Britain where they are needed. In summary, while migrants undoubtedly make a valuable contribution to the health profession, they also place certain pressures on it.
This is backed up by evidence from NHS data. A University of Oxford study using local authority immigration data and NHS hospital data found that areas with more immigration had lower waiting times for outpatient referrals. On average, a 10% increase in the share of migrants living in a local authority reduced waiting times by nine days. The authors find no evidence that immigration affects waiting times in A&E and in elective care. Migrants are less likely to be ill, and also more likely to be working. The Institute for Public Policy Research recently reported that EU migrants have higher employment rates than UK nationals. The employment rate of UK nationals is 74%, slightly below the 75% for migrants from EU15 countries (those in the EU before 2004). Employment rates for migrants from newer member states is 83 per cent, although they tend to be in lower-skilled and lower-paid work. If migrants are working, they’ll be paying income tax and making national insurance contributions. These are the sources of NHS funding. This means that resident migrants are likely to be paying their share towards the costs of the NHS.
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hedgehog50 Croydon 09 Oct 17 7.52am | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
This is backed up by evidence from NHS data. A University of Oxford study using local authority immigration data and NHS hospital data found that areas with more immigration had lower waiting times for outpatient referrals. On average, a 10% increase in the share of migrants living in a local authority reduced waiting times by nine days. The authors find no evidence that immigration affects waiting times in A&E and in elective care. Migrants are less likely to be ill, and also more likely to be working. The Institute for Public Policy Research recently reported that EU migrants have higher employment rates than UK nationals. The employment rate of UK nationals is 74%, slightly below the 75% for migrants from EU15 countries (those in the EU before 2004). Employment rates for migrants from newer member states is 83 per cent, although they tend to be in lower-skilled and lower-paid work. If migrants are working, they’ll be paying income tax and making national insurance contributions. These are the sources of NHS funding. This means that resident migrants are likely to be paying their share towards the costs of the NHS. So what?
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elgrande bedford 09 Oct 17 1.18pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
This is backed up by evidence from NHS data. A University of Oxford study using local authority immigration data and NHS hospital data found that areas with more immigration had lower waiting times for outpatient referrals. On average, a 10% increase in the share of migrants living in a local authority reduced waiting times by nine days. The authors find no evidence that immigration affects waiting times in A&E and in elective care. Migrants are less likely to be ill, and also more likely to be working. The Institute for Public Policy Research recently reported that EU migrants have higher employment rates than UK nationals. The employment rate of UK nationals is 74%, slightly below the 75% for migrants from EU15 countries (those in the EU before 2004). Employment rates for migrants from newer member states is 83 per cent, although they tend to be in lower-skilled and lower-paid work. If migrants are working, they’ll be paying income tax and making national insurance contributions. These are the sources of NHS funding. This means that resident migrants are likely to be paying their share towards the costs of the NHS. I think you are missing the point twice there,firstly if they pay tax,then yes they can use the nhs, but it still puts a massive strain on it with 600,000 new arrivals.
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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 09 Oct 17 4.48pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
I think you are missing the point twice there,firstly if they pay tax,then yes they can use the nhs, but it still puts a massive strain on it with 600,000 new arrivals. Perhaps more Brits should house and bill share then. Do you disagree with the Oxford study that found Edited by nickgusset (09 Oct 2017 4.50pm)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 09 Oct 17 4.59pm | |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Perhaps more Brits should house and bill share then. Do you disagree with the Oxford study that found Edited by nickgusset (09 Oct 2017 4.50pm) What, indefinitely, in the same job for most of their lives? Maybe they could save up enough to live properly in Poland or Romania. That NHS study in waiting times is rubbish in areas like East London or areas like Lincoln where there's high immigration. Obviously in parts of Surrey and alike it's not the issue, but you cannot say that in areas of high immigration.
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.TUX. 09 Oct 17 5.16pm | |
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Originally posted by elgrande
I think you are missing the point twice there,firstly if they pay tax,then yes they can use the nhs, but it still puts a massive strain on it with 600,000 new arrivals. All of this.
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