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hedgehog50 Croydon 07 Oct 17 9.33pm
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] The prominent lawyer Jessica Simor QC, from Matrix chambers, has written to May asking her to release the legal advice under the Freedom of Information Act. Simor says she has been told by “two good sources” that the prime minister has been advised “that the article 50 notification can be withdrawn by the UK at any time before 29 March 2019 resulting in the UK remaining in the EU on its current favourable terms. “Such advice would also accord with the view of Lord Kerr, who was involved in drafting article 50, of Jean-Claude Piris, former director general of the EU council’s legal service, and of Martin Selmayr, a lawyer and head of cabinet to the European commission president.” She says “there is no time to waste” and adds: “It is important that this advice is made available to the British public and their representatives in parliament as soon as possible.” Is Brexit really cut and dried? Yes, unless you want a civil war. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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hedgehog50

Croydon 07 Oct 17 9.33pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

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The prominent lawyer Jessica Simor QC, from Matrix chambers, has written to May asking her to release the legal advice under the Freedom of Information Act. Simor says she has been told by “two good sources” that the prime minister has been advised “that the article 50 notification can be withdrawn by the UK at any time before 29 March 2019 resulting in the UK remaining in the EU on its current favourable terms.

“Such advice would also accord with the view of Lord Kerr, who was involved in drafting article 50, of Jean-Claude Piris, former director general of the EU council’s legal service, and of Martin Selmayr, a lawyer and head of cabinet to the European commission president.” She says “there is no time to waste” and adds: “It is important that this advice is made available to the British public and their representatives in parliament as soon as possible.”

Is Brexit really cut and dried?

Yes, unless you want a civil war.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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elgrande bedford 07 Oct 17 11.53pm
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] The prominent lawyer Jessica Simor QC, from Matrix chambers, has written to May asking her to release the legal advice under the Freedom of Information Act. Simor says she has been told by “two good sources” that the prime minister has been advised “that the article 50 notification can be withdrawn by the UK at any time before 29 March 2019 resulting in the UK remaining in the EU on its current favourable terms. “Such advice would also accord with the view of Lord Kerr, who was involved in drafting article 50, of Jean-Claude Piris, former director general of the EU council’s legal service, and of Martin Selmayr, a lawyer and head of cabinet to the European commission president.” She says “there is no time to waste” and adds: “It is important that this advice is made available to the British public and their representatives in parliament as soon as possible.” Is Brexit really cut and dried? The wonderful matrix chambers,didn't they have links to that shyster who was wrongly accusing British soldiers of all sorts. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 07 Oct 17 11.53pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

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Is Brexit really cut and dried?

The wonderful matrix chambers,didn't they have links to that shyster who was wrongly accusing British soldiers of all sorts.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Oct 17 1.10am
Originally posted by elgrande The wonderful matrix chambers,didn't they have links to that shyster who was wrongly accusing British soldiers of all sorts. Dunno. Could be remainer May's get out of jail free card.
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 08 Oct 17 1.10am

Originally posted by elgrande

The wonderful matrix chambers,didn't they have links to that shyster who was wrongly accusing British soldiers of all sorts.

Dunno.

Could be remainer May's get out of jail free card.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 08 Oct 17 9.00am
Originally posted by nickgusset [Link] The prominent lawyer Jessica Simor QC, from Matrix chambers, has written to May asking her to release the legal advice under the Freedom of Information Act. Simor says she has been told by “two good sources” that the prime minister has been advised “that the article 50 notification can be withdrawn by the UK at any time before 29 March 2019 resulting in the UK remaining in the EU on its current favourable terms. “Such advice would also accord with the view of Lord Kerr, who was involved in drafting article 50, of Jean-Claude Piris, former director general of the EU council’s legal service, and of Martin Selmayr, a lawyer and head of cabinet to the European commission president.” She says “there is no time to waste” and adds: “It is important that this advice is made available to the British public and their representatives in parliament as soon as possible.” Is Brexit really cut and dried? Afraid so Nick the whole article explains what COULD happen if we the people decide otherwise by that date. I think the non brexit people would be clutching at straws trying to reverse the decision. [Link] Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 08 Oct 17 9.00am

Originally posted by nickgusset

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Is Brexit really cut and dried?

Afraid so Nick the whole article explains what COULD happen if we the people decide otherwise by that date.
I think the non brexit people would be clutching at straws trying to reverse the decision.
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Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Mr_Gristle In the land of Whelk Eaters 08 Oct 17 10.16am
Originally posted by susmik Afraid so Nick the whole article explains what COULD happen if we the people decide otherwise by that date. I think the non brexit people would be clutching at straws trying to reverse the decision. [Link] As a "remainer", I have to agree with Susmik et al here. Although I would expect a media operation that would make the antics in the general election look like an exercise in utopian fairness and balance if the tories went ahead and tried to reverse the Brexit decision, it would be the final death of the illusion of representative democracy in the UK and political suicide for them. David Cameron has a lot to answer for in committing to the referendum to shore up his short-term power base and the likes of Boris, Nige and the frothing-mouth elements in the media are equally culpable. What's more likely is an ongoing campaign of stalling and pleas for extensions / limited exemptions until after the next general election, when the next government will have to take all the fallout whichever course of action they take. Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)
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In the land of Whelk Eaters 08 Oct 17 10.16am

Originally posted by susmik

As a "remainer", I have to agree with Susmik et al here. Although I would expect a media operation that would make the antics in the general election look like an exercise in utopian fairness and balance if the tories went ahead and tried to reverse the Brexit decision, it would be the final death of the illusion of representative democracy in the UK and political suicide for them.

David Cameron has a lot to answer for in committing to the referendum to shore up his short-term power base and the likes of Boris, Nige and the frothing-mouth elements in the media are equally culpable.

What's more likely is an ongoing campaign of stalling and pleas for extensions / limited exemptions until after the next general election, when the next government will have to take all the fallout whichever course of action they take.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

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elgrande bedford 08 Oct 17 12.06pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Dunno. Could be remainer May's get out of jail free card. You don't know,ha ha. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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elgrande

bedford 08 Oct 17 12.06pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Dunno.

Could be remainer May's get out of jail free card.

You don't know,ha ha.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 08 Oct 17 12.31pm
Originally posted by elgrande You don't know,ha ha. Whether I have heard of them or not is neither here nor there. They're still advising the Gov on a way out if they want it. That's the issue. But if you want to engage in patheticness, fill yer boots.
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 08 Oct 17 12.31pm

Originally posted by elgrande

You don't know,ha ha.

Whether I have heard of them or not is neither here nor there.
They're still advising the Gov on a way out if they want it. That's the issue. But if you want to engage in patheticness, fill yer boots.

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Stirlingsays 08 Oct 17 12.37pm
Originally posted by Mr_Gristle As a "remainer", I have to agree with Susmik et al here. Although I would expect a media operation that would make the antics in the general election look like an exercise in utopian fairness and balance if the tories went ahead and tried to reverse the Brexit decision, it would be the final death of the illusion of representative democracy in the UK and political suicide for them. David Cameron has a lot to answer for in committing to the referendum to shore up his short-term power base and the likes of Boris, Nige and the frothing-mouth elements in the media are equally culpable. What's more likely is an ongoing campaign of stalling and pleas for extensions / limited exemptions until after the next general election, when the next government will have to take all the fallout whichever course of action they take. I'd agree with all of that apart from the criticism of Cameron in this regard....though we know why he did it. Now I've always been a heavy critic of Camerson and the blue rinsers in the party who put the pretty boy ad man there....I was a Davis fan myself. But on the question of the referendum on the EU.....This was a vote that had been delayed and denied for decades....The constitutional changes to the EU relationship had been undergone by both Tory and Labour parties far beyond its original conception and a referendum vote on leaving or remaining was most definitely in the democratic interest. What I have learnt since about the outcome is just how a proportion of people within the country actually don't really care much about democracy. I'm not arguing here about those who criticise the prospect of Brexit....But I am criticising those who are seriously suggesting that the British people should have continued to have been denied a vote on this massive constitutional reality. Self determination should be a fundamental......The EU isn't much interested in that...as its support for the Spanish government's action attest to.....as its urging for second votes when ever a vote against its integrationist ideas occur....as its happy acceptance for no votes to actually occur about its state at all. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Oct 2017 12.38pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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08 Oct 17 12.37pm

Originally posted by Mr_Gristle

I'd agree with all of that apart from the criticism of Cameron in this regard....though we know why he did it.

Now I've always been a heavy critic of Camerson and the blue rinsers in the party who put the pretty boy ad man there....I was a Davis fan myself.

But on the question of the referendum on the EU.....This was a vote that had been delayed and denied for decades....The constitutional changes to the EU relationship had been undergone by both Tory and Labour parties far beyond its original conception and a referendum vote on leaving or remaining was most definitely in the democratic interest.

What I have learnt since about the outcome is just how a proportion of people within the country actually don't really care much about democracy. I'm not arguing here about those who criticise the prospect of Brexit....But I am criticising those who are seriously suggesting that the British people should have continued to have been denied a vote on this massive constitutional reality.

Self determination should be a fundamental......The EU isn't much interested in that...as its support for the Spanish government's action attest to.....as its urging for second votes when ever a vote against its integrationist ideas occur....as its happy acceptance for no votes to actually occur about its state at all.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Oct 2017 12.38pm)

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elgrande bedford 08 Oct 17 2.15pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Whether I have heard of them or not is neither here nor there. They're still advising the Gov on a way out if they want it. That's the issue. But if you want to engage in patheticness, fill yer boots. For a teacher,I would think you would have come across the word irony. Why should she go against a majority decision,that's what democracy is all about. Whether it was right or wrong,that's what the winning side got what they voted for. And on a side note,you really are the king of " if it doesn't suit my agenda",you snip at everyone who doesn't agree with you,yet when someone pulls you up...you come out with patheticness...ha ha ha. And pray tell why anyone should take notice of that shower of trendy"Islington dinning set lawyers" at Matrix chambers. always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.
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bedford 08 Oct 17 2.15pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

For a teacher,I would think you would have come across the word irony.
Why should she go against a majority decision,that's what democracy is all about.
Whether it was right or wrong,that's what the winning side got what they voted for.

And on a side note,you really are the king of " if it doesn't suit my agenda",you snip at everyone who doesn't agree with you,yet when someone pulls you up...you come out with patheticness...ha ha ha.

And pray tell why anyone should take notice of that shower of trendy"Islington dinning set lawyers" at Matrix chambers.

always a Norwood boy, where ever I live.

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 08 Oct 17 2.19pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Dunno. Could be remainer May's get out of jail free card. Slippery as an eel. You know full well that the Matrix are a hard left bunch of lawyers who usually deal in 'Yuman rights' & are headed by Tony Blairs wife Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 08 Oct 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Dunno.

Could be remainer May's get out of jail free card.

Slippery as an eel. You know full well that the Matrix are a hard left bunch of lawyers who usually deal in 'Yuman rights' & are headed by Tony Blairs wife

Pro USA & Israel

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 08 Oct 17 2.20pm
Originally posted by elgrande For a teacher,I would think you would have come across the word irony. Why should she go against a majority decision,that's what democracy is all about. Whether it was right or wrong,that's what the winning side got what they voted for. And on a side note,you really are the king of " if it doesn't suit my agenda",you snip at everyone who doesn't agree with you,yet when someone pulls you up...you come out with patheticness...ha ha ha. And pray tell why anyone should take notice of that shower of trendy"Islington dinning set lawyers" at Matrix chambers. Watch out he'll be pulling you up on spelling next !! Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 08 Oct 17 2.20pm

Originally posted by elgrande

And pray tell why anyone should take notice of that shower of trendy"Islington dinning set lawyers" at Matrix chambers.

Watch out he'll be pulling you up on spelling next !!

Pro USA & Israel

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