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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Dec 20 9.32pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman ‘’It’s droplets, it’s aerosols, it’s it’s it’s better than nothing, it might make 1% difference.’’ Give it up, unless you’re wearing a proper mask it’s garbage and can actually make more of a problem. Notice parts of Britain that prove you wrong. Social distancing is fine, this one cloth measure is false hope and often not needed. It’s been virtually no issue whatsoever for shop workers. People actually start believing masks make them safe and stop the distancing. I’ve seen lots of it, while wearing a cloth that could make as little as 3% difference and as much as 20%, if you had it on so tight you couldn’t speak or even breathe and probably about 3 of them. Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Dec 2020 11.38am) Why are you still peddling this nonsense? We dealt with this pages ago. Wearing a mask is NOT, repeat NOT, done to protect YOU. It is to protect others FROM you. If everyone does it, everyone is protected. Not perfectly but sufficiently to make it a sensible part of the precautions we all need to take. People that have a medical problem can gain dispensation but most of us manage perfectly well. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 10 Dec 20 9.32pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

‘’It’s droplets, it’s aerosols, it’s it’s it’s better than nothing, it might make 1% difference.’’ Give it up, unless you’re wearing a proper mask it’s garbage and can actually make more of a problem. Notice parts of Britain that prove you wrong.

Social distancing is fine, this one cloth measure is false hope and often not needed. It’s been virtually no issue whatsoever for shop workers. People actually start believing masks make them safe and stop the distancing. I’ve seen lots of it, while wearing a cloth that could make as little as 3% difference and as much as 20%, if you had it on so tight you couldn’t speak or even breathe and probably about 3 of them.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Dec 2020 11.38am)

Why are you still peddling this nonsense? We dealt with this pages ago.

Wearing a mask is NOT, repeat NOT, done to protect YOU. It is to protect others FROM you. If everyone does it, everyone is protected. Not perfectly but sufficiently to make it a sensible part of the precautions we all need to take. People that have a medical problem can gain dispensation but most of us manage perfectly well.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 10 Dec 20 9.54pm
Originally posted by Lombardinho Good evening. Did you read the link I posted at 9.16 this morning? I do appreciate you contributing to the discussion but if you had read it, SW19, you would see that most of what you've posted above is bs. Yep. Looks like you knocked that up yourself in Microsoft Word Decent effort TBF Further - point 19, which I assume is what you’ve chosen to zero in on without debating the rest of the context in the post, refers to a driver who was wearing an n95 medical mask for prolonged periods of time. Not a cloth mask. Not a multilayered fabric mask. Not a type of mask that most people will be wearing on a day to day basis. If you actually read my post, I specifically mention medical grade, tightly sealed masks as being problematic. They’re not necessary for general use and are not designed for everyday wear. Also the lack of specifics in that barrage of points renders it mostly useless. ‘A mask’. Because of course, all masks are identical. If you’re going to quote research at least be specific about the variables. How ironic that something supposed to be scientific is actually incredibly unscientific. Edited by SW19 CPFC (10 Dec 2020 10.28pm) Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 10 Dec 20 9.54pm

Originally posted by Lombardinho

Good evening.
Did you read the link I posted at 9.16 this morning?
I do appreciate you contributing to the discussion but if you had read it, SW19, you would see that most of what you've posted above is bs.

Yep. Looks like you knocked that up yourself in Microsoft Word

Decent effort TBF

Further - point 19, which I assume is what you’ve chosen to zero in on without debating the rest of the context in the post, refers to a driver who was wearing an n95 medical mask for prolonged periods of time. Not a cloth mask. Not a multilayered fabric mask. Not a type of mask that most people will be wearing on a day to day basis.

If you actually read my post, I specifically mention medical grade, tightly sealed masks as being problematic. They’re not necessary for general use and are not designed for everyday wear.

Also the lack of specifics in that barrage of points renders it mostly useless. ‘A mask’. Because of course, all masks are identical. If you’re going to quote research at least be specific about the variables. How ironic that something supposed to be scientific is actually incredibly unscientific.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (10 Dec 2020 10.28pm)

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 10 Dec 20 9.56pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why are you still peddling this nonsense? We dealt with this pages ago. Wearing a mask is NOT, repeat NOT, done to protect YOU. It is to protect others FROM you. If everyone does it, everyone is protected. Not perfectly but sufficiently to make it a sensible part of the precautions we all need to take. People that have a medical problem can gain dispensation but most of us manage perfectly well. He is right re. Single sheet homemade cloth masks. They’re completely useless. Not sure the argument is all masks bad Just those ones are pointless Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 10 Dec 20 9.56pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why are you still peddling this nonsense? We dealt with this pages ago.

He is right re. Single sheet homemade cloth masks. They’re completely useless. Not sure the argument is all masks bad

Just those ones are pointless

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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DanH SW2 10 Dec 20 10.11pm
Originally posted by Matov My 85 year old Uncle had his first vaccination today! Another one on January 6th. All good. Amazing. All the best to him. Hope you get to see him soon.
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DanH

SW2 10 Dec 20 10.11pm

Originally posted by Matov

My 85 year old Uncle had his first vaccination today! Another one on January 6th. All good.

Amazing. All the best to him. Hope you get to see him soon.

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Lombardinho London 10 Dec 20 10.28pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Yep. Looks like you knocked that up yourself in Microsoft Word Decent effort TBF By the way, according to you I'm hopelessly indoctrinated, yet it's you crusading for further mask wearing. How does that work?
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Lombardinho

London 10 Dec 20 10.28pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Yep. Looks like you knocked that up yourself in Microsoft Word

Decent effort TBF

By the way, according to you I'm hopelessly indoctrinated, yet it's you crusading for further mask wearing.
How does that work?

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 10 Dec 20 10.44pm
Originally posted by Lombardinho By the way, according to you I'm hopelessly indoctrinated, yet it's you crusading for further mask wearing. How does that work? Yeah crusading I am. Clearly that’s my one aim in life, to focus 100% on getting everyone ever to wear masks 24/7. Even pets. Get it on the guinea pig now! Have you no shame! If you were actually able to be balanced and understand context and nuance rather than defaulting to a tribal and binary masks good / masks bad POV, you’d be able to answer your own question quite easily. But to help you out, I’ll Summarise what I’ve already said as you seem to be unable to understand that things are more complex than bad vs good, all in vs not at all. Seems to be a common trait with some on here • Single layer clothmasks are pointless. • The average person does not need to wear medical grade masks, eg n95 models. These items are not designed for extended use, and will cause respiratory issues. Fabric masks, of the kind most people wear, will not. • the best types of mask are ones without valves, multilayered and ideally with replaceable filters, and anti bacterial properties. And even more importantly, bought from reputable sources. The ones used in F1, for example. • And an additional bonus point - People don’t need to wear masks 24/7. Only in indoor areas with poor ventilation or high traffic . . . If you can tell me where the guidance says ‘you must wear a mask at all times, even when outdoors’ then fine. But having to put one on every now and then in high risk scenarios is hardly Liberty infringing now is it. Keep your knickers on, or you’ll end up having to wear them on your face. FFS Edited by SW19 CPFC (10 Dec 2020 10.46pm) Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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SW19 CPFC

Addiscombe West 10 Dec 20 10.44pm

Originally posted by Lombardinho

By the way, according to you I'm hopelessly indoctrinated, yet it's you crusading for further mask wearing.
How does that work?

Yeah crusading I am. Clearly that’s my one aim in life, to focus 100% on getting everyone ever to wear masks 24/7. Even pets. Get it on the guinea pig now! Have you no shame!

If you were actually able to be balanced and understand context and nuance rather than defaulting to a tribal and binary masks good / masks bad POV, you’d be able to answer your own question quite easily.

But to help you out, I’ll Summarise what I’ve already said as you seem to be unable to understand that things are more complex than bad vs good, all in vs not at all. Seems to be a common trait with some on here

• Single layer clothmasks are pointless.

• The average person does not need to wear medical grade masks, eg n95 models. These items are not designed for extended use, and will cause respiratory issues. Fabric masks, of the kind most people wear, will not.

• the best types of mask are ones without valves, multilayered and ideally with replaceable filters, and anti bacterial properties. And even more importantly, bought from reputable sources. The ones used in F1, for example.

• And an additional bonus point - People don’t need to wear masks 24/7. Only in indoor areas with poor ventilation or high traffic
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If you can tell me where the guidance says ‘you must wear a mask at all times, even when outdoors’ then fine. But having to put one on every now and then in high risk scenarios is hardly Liberty infringing now is it. Keep your knickers on, or you’ll end up having to wear them on your face. FFS

Edited by SW19 CPFC (10 Dec 2020 10.46pm)

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Dec 20 11.29pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC He is right re. Single sheet homemade cloth masks. They’re completely useless. Not sure the argument is all masks bad Just those ones are pointless I did. I value your input today. It’s very logical. Where do you get these worthwhile masks for when they’re needed? You can get money raped for these masks if you do t know what you’re buying. Social media full of con artists. Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Dec 2020 11.32pm) COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 10 Dec 20 11.29pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

He is right re. Single sheet homemade cloth masks. They’re completely useless. Not sure the argument is all masks bad

Just those ones are pointless

I did. I value your input today. It’s very logical.

Where do you get these worthwhile masks for when they’re needed? You can get money raped for these masks if you do t know what you’re buying. Social media full of con artists.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Dec 2020 11.32pm)

COYP

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 10 Dec 20 11.30pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Why are you still peddling this nonsense? We dealt with this pages ago. Wearing a mask is NOT, repeat NOT, done to protect YOU. It is to protect others FROM you. If everyone does it, everyone is protected. Not perfectly but sufficiently to make it a sensible part of the precautions we all need to take. People that have a medical problem can gain dispensation but most of us manage perfectly well. SW19 is right. I meant the pathetic ones most people are wearing. Either the disposable ones or the bits of cloth with flowers on. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 10 Dec 20 11.30pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Why are you still peddling this nonsense? We dealt with this pages ago.

SW19 is right. I meant the pathetic ones most people are wearing. Either the disposable ones or the bits of cloth with flowers on.

COYP

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Dec 20 11.50pm
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC He is right re. Single sheet homemade cloth masks. They’re completely useless. Not sure the argument is all masks bad Just those ones are pointless If you go back a few pages he was banging on about this and the main thrust was that they offered no protection, when the whole point isn't self-protection at all. I would argue than any kind of face covering that restricts the spread of a sneeze or cough going too far distant and some of it being caught on the material is better than it going into the air. Using a handkerchief or even a sleeve is also better than nothing. That was the point I was making. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Dec 2020 11.51pm) For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 10 Dec 20 11.50pm

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

He is right re. Single sheet homemade cloth masks. They’re completely useless. Not sure the argument is all masks bad

Just those ones are pointless

If you go back a few pages he was banging on about this and the main thrust was that they offered no protection, when the whole point isn't self-protection at all.

I would argue than any kind of face covering that restricts the spread of a sneeze or cough going too far distant and some of it being caught on the material is better than it going into the air.

Using a handkerchief or even a sleeve is also better than nothing.

That was the point I was making.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (10 Dec 2020 11.51pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 10 Dec 20 11.58pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman SW19 is right. I meant the pathetic ones most people are wearing. Either the disposable ones or the bits of cloth with flowers on. Any mask is better than no mask when in the company of those you don't live with. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 10 Dec 20 11.58pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

SW19 is right. I meant the pathetic ones most people are wearing. Either the disposable ones or the bits of cloth with flowers on.

Any mask is better than no mask when in the company of those you don't live with.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Lombardinho London 11 Dec 20 12.05am
Originally posted by SW19 CPFC Yeah crusading I am. Clearly that’s my one aim in life, to focus 100% on getting everyone ever to wear masks 24/7. Even pets. Get it on the guinea pig now! Have you no shame! If you were actually able to be balanced and understand context and nuance rather than defaulting to a tribal and binary masks good / masks bad POV, you’d be able to answer your own question quite easily. But to help you out, I’ll Summarise what I’ve already said as you seem to be unable to understand that things are more complex than bad vs good, all in vs not at all. Seems to be a common trait with some on here • Single layer clothmasks are pointless. • The average person does not need to wear medical grade masks, eg n95 models. These items are not designed for extended use, and will cause respiratory issues. Fabric masks, of the kind most people wear, will not. • the best types of mask are ones without valves, multilayered and ideally with replaceable filters, and anti bacterial properties. And even more importantly, bought from reputable sources. The ones used in F1, for example. • And an additional bonus point - People don’t need to wear masks 24/7. Only in indoor areas with poor ventilation or high traffic . . . If you can tell me where the guidance says ‘you must wear a mask at all times, even when outdoors’ then fine. But having to put one on every now and then in high risk scenarios is hardly Liberty infringing now is it. Keep your knickers on, or you’ll end up having to wear them on your face. FFS Edited by SW19 CPFC (10 Dec 2020 10.46pm) I hear you. Most of all I'm pleased you took some time to read the link.
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Lombardinho

London 11 Dec 20 12.05am

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Yeah crusading I am. Clearly that’s my one aim in life, to focus 100% on getting everyone ever to wear masks 24/7. Even pets. Get it on the guinea pig now! Have you no shame!

• Single layer clothmasks are pointless.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (10 Dec 2020 10.46pm)

I hear you.
Most of all I'm pleased you took some time to read the link.

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BlueJay UK 11 Dec 20 12.15am
Originally posted by Matov My 85 year old Uncle had his first vaccination today! Another one on January 6th. All good. Good to hear and likely a big relief for him and loved ones!
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BlueJay

UK 11 Dec 20 12.15am

Originally posted by Matov

My 85 year old Uncle had his first vaccination today! Another one on January 6th. All good.

Good to hear and likely a big relief for him and loved ones!

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