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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 10 Dec 20 5.25pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Lombardinho

Despicable.

My child gets forced to wear a mask over my dead body.
It's not science that's made you think this way.
It's a psy-op.
Common sense should tell you the mask compromises one's intake of oxygen and if this lunacy continues, your respitory function will fail.

Why point the finger at others? They're just breathing. You're a human too, aren't you?

Christ. People like this actually exist

 


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chris123 Flag hove actually 10 Dec 20 5.27pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

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The science wasn’t used much here.

No that's ministers not science.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 10 Dec 20 5.34pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

‘’It’s droplets, it’s aerosols, it’s it’s it’s better than nothing, it might make 1% difference.’’ Give it up, unless you’re wearing a proper mask it’s garbage and can actually make more of a problem. Notice parts of Britain that prove you wrong.

Social distancing is fine, this one cloth measure is false hope and often not needed. It’s been virtually no issue whatsoever for shop workers. People actually start believing masks make them safe and stop the distancing. I’ve seen lots of it, while wearing a cloth that could make as little as 3% difference and as much as 20%, if you had it on so tight you couldn’t speak or even breathe and probably about 3 of them.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (10 Dec 2020 11.38am)

This is more or less correct. Cloth masks do sod all. Other than give the wearer a false sense of security – not to mention the fact that most people won't wash them after every use, so even more useless.

However, this doesn't mean that wearing a proper multilayered one is ineffective, far from it. As for oxygen levels – clearly any covering over your face restricts breathing even if it is a negligible amount. Medical grade masks such as the proper n95 variety that effectively seal around your face would probably cause an issue if you wore them for extended amounts of time. But do you actually need one? Probably not.

A half decent mask and multi layer filter with some form of anti-microbial coating should be enough – not fool proof, but far better to you and more importantly others than simply wheezing all over the place.

It's not about protecting yourself, so much, as being socially considerate. Again, asian countries have done this for decades to protect others when feeling ill, out of courtesy. It's not exactly orwellian FFS. For those whining about it, get over yourself and stop being so selfish. And ditch the cotton mask you've fashioned out of some old shirt. Useless.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (10 Dec 2020 5.35pm)

 


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Originally posted by Lombardinho

Despicable.

My child gets forced to wear a mask over my dead body.
It's not science that's made you think this way.
It's a psy-op.
Common sense should tell you the mask compromises one's intake of oxygen and if this lunacy continues, your respitory function will fail.

Why point the finger at others? They're just breathing. You're a human too, aren't you?


Rather than a common sense lesson, here's a science lesson for you. Not that it'll make any difference to you, in your hyper paranoid, indoctrinated little world.
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'Paper face masks and fabric face coverings are permeable to air but restrict the movement of water droplets that we exhale or sneeze. The two key gases for respiration, oxygen and carbon dioxide, can move freely across these materials.

What might a face mask do? There has been discussion that a face mask might add to anatomical dead space by extending it beyond the mouth area. If everything else stays the same, an extra 20 ml say, of dead space, theoretically will reduce the percentage of oxygen at the alveolus, but the effect is very small, meaning that blood still would stay fully saturated with oxygen.

Oxygen in the blood equilibrates with oxygen in our alveoli. Blood is maximally saturated with oxygen when alveolar oxygen is 13-15%. This means this means that all the all the oxygen binding sites on haemoglobin (which makes our blood red) are occupied. So even if more oxygen were available, blood saturation with oxygen does not increase. Furthermore, the relationship between % oxygen and blood saturation is not linear, oxygen levels would need to halve to reduce saturation to 90%.

What might a face mask do? There has been discussion that a face mask might add to anatomical dead space by extending it beyond the mouth area. If everything else stays the same, an extra 20 ml say, of dead space, theoretically will reduce the percentage of oxygen at the alveolus, but the effect is very small, meaning that blood still would stay fully saturated with oxygen.

Think about how many people go swimming with snorkels, how much dead space this adds and how it has remarkably little effect on our activities.

So, does a face mask restrict flow of air into the lungs? The bottom line is, if used correctly, it does not. If airflow is restricted, less millilitres of oxygen get to the alveoli, and less carbon dioxide is exhaled. While this reduces the percentage of oxygen in our lungs, and increases carbon dioxide, the body senses these changes in the lungs and stimulates breathing.'
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Essentially, oxygen only becomes an issue if wearing a respirator, n95 mask or something else medical grade that is tightly sealed and significantly difficult to breathe through. Every other 'retail available' mask type which is fabric based should not cause any oxygen deficiency, even if worn for extended periods of time.

However as mentioned, cloth masks are useless. Multi-layered/filter based, anti-microbial fabric masks are the way to go.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (10 Dec 2020 5.47pm)

 


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Matov Flag 10 Dec 20 6.57pm Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

My 85 year old Uncle had his first vaccination today! Another one on January 6th. All good.

 


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Originally posted by Matov

My 85 year old Uncle had his first vaccination today! Another one on January 6th. All good.

Good luck to him.

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Dec 20 7.50pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

My 85 year old Uncle had his first vaccination today! Another one on January 6th. All good.

Best wishes to him

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 10 Dec 20 8.08pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Matov

My 85 year old Uncle had his first vaccination today! Another one on January 6th. All good.

Well done to the old chap. I'm sure he will feel a whole lot more secure although early posts on here may have read 'what's the point, hes 85 and goner die soon anyway'.

 

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Eaglecoops Flag CR3 10 Dec 20 8.21pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Well done to the old chap. I'm sure he will feel a whole lot more secure although early posts on here may have read 'what's the point, hes 85 and goner die soon anyway'.

My old chap could do with an injection. Are they still available on the nhs?

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 10 Dec 20 8.32pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

My old chap could do with an injection. Are they still available on the nhs?

The blue pill could be a less painful way to go unless you want botox

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 10 Dec 20 8.53pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

My old chap could do with an injection. Are they still available on the nhs?

Apparently it’s just a little p***k

 

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Lombardinho Flag London 10 Dec 20 9.28pm Send a Private Message to Lombardinho Add Lombardinho as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC


Rather than a common sense lesson, here's a science lesson for you. Not that it'll make any difference to you, in your hyper paranoid, indoctrinated little world.
.
.
.
'Paper face masks and fabric face coverings are permeable to air but restrict the movement of water droplets that we exhale or sneeze. The two key gases for respiration, oxygen and carbon dioxide, can move freely across these materials.

What might a face mask do? There has been discussion that a face mask might add to anatomical dead space by extending it beyond the mouth area. If everything else stays the same, an extra 20 ml say, of dead space, theoretically will reduce the percentage of oxygen at the alveolus, but the effect is very small, meaning that blood still would stay fully saturated with oxygen.

Oxygen in the blood equilibrates with oxygen in our alveoli. Blood is maximally saturated with oxygen when alveolar oxygen is 13-15%. This means this means that all the all the oxygen binding sites on haemoglobin (which makes our blood red) are occupied. So even if more oxygen were available, blood saturation with oxygen does not increase. Furthermore, the relationship between % oxygen and blood saturation is not linear, oxygen levels would need to halve to reduce saturation to 90%.

What might a face mask do? There has been discussion that a face mask might add to anatomical dead space by extending it beyond the mouth area. If everything else stays the same, an extra 20 ml say, of dead space, theoretically will reduce the percentage of oxygen at the alveolus, but the effect is very small, meaning that blood still would stay fully saturated with oxygen.

Think about how many people go swimming with snorkels, how much dead space this adds and how it has remarkably little effect on our activities.

So, does a face mask restrict flow of air into the lungs? The bottom line is, if used correctly, it does not. If airflow is restricted, less millilitres of oxygen get to the alveoli, and less carbon dioxide is exhaled. While this reduces the percentage of oxygen in our lungs, and increases carbon dioxide, the body senses these changes in the lungs and stimulates breathing.'
.
.
.
Essentially, oxygen only becomes an issue if wearing a respirator, n95 mask or something else medical grade that is tightly sealed and significantly difficult to breathe through. Every other 'retail available' mask type which is fabric based should not cause any oxygen deficiency, even if worn for extended periods of time.

However as mentioned, cloth masks are useless. Multi-layered/filter based, anti-microbial fabric masks are the way to go.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (10 Dec 2020 5.47pm)

Good evening.
Did you read the link I posted at 9.16 this morning?
I do appreciate you contributing to the discussion but if you had read it, SW19, you would see that most of what you've posted above is bs.

 

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