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est1905 Flag 13 Apr 23 5.24pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by VinceHilaire

If Roy does indeed keep us up…there is a strong case for at least a further year of stability under the same management team. I appreciate Paddy is only just learning his trade - but I like what I see!

What is it that you like? There is zero pressure managing the U21s and the only time he has taken charge of the first team we've been thrashed 4 1 so I dont understand that comment at all. Paddy may one day be a great coach but I'd rather he didn't learn on the job with Palace's Prem status at stake!

 

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VinceHilaire Flag London 13 Apr 23 6.19pm Send a Private Message to VinceHilaire Add VinceHilaire as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

What is it that you like? There is zero pressure managing the U21s and the only time he has taken charge of the first team we've been thrashed 4 1 so I dont understand that comment at all. Paddy may one day be a great coach but I'd rather he didn't learn on the job with Palace's Prem status at stake!

I think you may have misunderstood my comments…


 

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aashman12 Flag 14 Apr 23 7.58am Send a Private Message to aashman12 Add aashman12 as a friend

Originally posted by est1905

What is it that you like? There is zero pressure managing the U21s and the only time he has taken charge of the first team we've been thrashed 4 1 so I dont understand that comment at all. Paddy may one day be a great coach but I'd rather he didn't learn on the job with Palace's Prem status at stake!

He had less than 2 days with the team before that match, it was basically a plug and play game sticking to what they'd been doing under Vieira, Roy had 2 weeks before the Leicester game.

 

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Mwncisee Flag Middlesbrough 14 Apr 23 8.52am Send a Private Message to Mwncisee Add Mwncisee as a friend

Been reading up on Slot.

He is being monitored by several bigger clubs. He has had massive success with AZ and now Feyenoord, certainly accredited with getting both clubs punching above their weight.

Plays a very fast moving attacking style (possibly too attack minded for us). Wants teams to transition from the back to the front very quickly, one touch passing to break the lines with players moving forwards rapidly.

bit of a worry that he was sacked from AZ for `not being focused on the team` (Sounds familiar PV?)


Edited by Mwncisee (14 Apr 2023 8.54am)

 

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 14 Apr 23 9.39am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Slot is a really interesting option, but I suspect if he keeps it up to the end of hte season he'll get better options than us.

Will probably end up at Spurs

 

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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 14 Apr 23 9.40am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Mwncisee

Been reading up on Slot.

He is being monitored by several bigger clubs. He has had massive success with AZ and now Feyenoord, certainly accredited with getting both clubs punching above their weight.

Plays a very fast moving attacking style (possibly too attack minded for us). Wants teams to transition from the back to the front very quickly, one touch passing to break the lines with players moving forwards rapidly.

bit of a worry that he was sacked from AZ for `not being focused on the team` (Sounds familiar PV?)


Edited by Mwncisee (14 Apr 2023 8.54am)

Yes sounds very PV, no manager should come into a club with premeditated tactics, the style has to match the players not vice versa.

 


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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Apr 23 9.50am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Yes sounds very PV, no manager should come into a club with premeditated tactics, the style has to match the players not vice versa.

Absolutely agree, the same with FdB.

There's no point having a philosophy that does not account for or even completely disregards the limitations or unique capabilities of the squad.

It would be a bit like Pulis insisting on launching the ball into the box from a throw in with an U'10s team. That may have worked with Delap in your team but no 10 year old is gonna achieve the same result.

Gianluigi Buffon is thought of as one of the best goalies of all time, our memories of him would be very different had a manager insisted on him being a target man up front due to his height and the style he wanted to play.

Roy's pragmatism may be the best thing we could hope for at this time and need in lieu of PV showing anything remotely close. Going forward we need a realist who can push us forward, not an idealist who reverses us towards catastrophe.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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CrazyBadger Flag Ware 14 Apr 23 10.46am Send a Private Message to CrazyBadger Add CrazyBadger as a friend

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

Yes sounds very PV, no manager should come into a club with premeditated tactics, the style has to match the players not vice versa.

It seems that in Hindsight, over The course of his previous 4 years, and 2 games, this is where Roys Strengths are.

At the start of his reign, he played fairly good football, and had some success. Over time, his teams (and squad) got slowly worse (not down to him), so he reverted to solidity and 'boring' football, to keep up in the division.
PV came along, and we gave him some Player upgrades to go with him. He ultimately failed with his pre-meditated approach.

Roys success in these last 2 games (and previous 4 years) has effectively been finding a system that suits the players at his disposal, which is a rare skill nowadays.

So it's a conundrum. To Roy, or Not to Roy?
I'd say that we need a new man, but largely base that on RH's aging years. But that man should either; be able to pick the style based on the players, or have a style that compliments our current players, and they are able to improve on it.

From what has been said of Slot, "Plays a very fast moving attacking style (possibly too attack minded for us). Wants teams to transition from the back to the front very quickly, one touch passing to break the lines with players moving forwards rapidly."
, if this is true, then he seems a perfect fit for our players right now.

PreMeditation is OK, but it's the old FdB adage of 'Evolution, not Revolution'.


Edited by CrazyBadger (14 Apr 2023 10.47am)

 


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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 14 Apr 23 10.56am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

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Originally posted by Nicholas91

Absolutely agree, the same with FdB.

There's no point having a philosophy that does not account for or even completely disregards the limitations or unique capabilities of the squad.

It would be a bit like Pulis insisting on launching the ball into the box from a throw in with an U'10s team. That may have worked with Delap in your team but no 10 year old is gonna achieve the same result.

Gianluigi Buffon is thought of as one of the best goalies of all time, our memories of him would be very different had a manager insisted on him being a target man up front due to his height and the style he wanted to play.

Roy's pragmatism may be the best thing we could hope for at this time and need in lieu of PV showing anything remotely close. Going forward we need a realist who can push us forward, not an idealist who reverses us towards catastrophe.

I both agree and disagree in equal measures. I 100% agree that any manager needs to understand strengths and limitations etc. And you cant walk in with a formular that worked elsewhere and expect it to work.

But for the same reason I also believe that you don't bring a manager in who just works it out as they go. You have to bring someone in who can help guide the team into the place you want to be. (Paris tried to do that with FdB, but obviously went too far)

I want a manager who plays a style that is aspirational, but also doesn't require a £1b budget

I want someone looking at this team and knows that we don't have the players to sit and absorb tonnes of pressure

That looks at Eze and Olise and knows that success will come by giving them a platform to play

That values individual flair. The closes I can get to Palace DNA, is fast, positive wide men that like to show off and take men on.

That notices issues in our current play, either individually or collectively, e.g. don't go long often enough, taking too many touches etc

That has a statistical view on what we are doing wrong/need to do - e.g. more crosses into the box, transition quicker etc

That is a fan of playing young players and a good track record of introducing them into the first team.

I guess it all boils down to having a philosophy, but the pragmatism and experience to know that it will take time, and some new players to make it a reality. And hell, if this was any other job interview, you'd want demonstrable evidence that they know how to do it.

 

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Davepalace707 Flag Northumberland 14 Apr 23 11.07am Send a Private Message to Davepalace707 Add Davepalace707 as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

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I both agree and disagree in equal measures. I 100% agree that any manager needs to understand strengths and limitations etc. And you cant walk in with a formular that worked elsewhere and expect it to work.

But for the same reason I also believe that you don't bring a manager in who just works it out as they go. You have to bring someone in who can help guide the team into the place you want to be. (Paris tried to do that with FdB, but obviously went too far)

I want a manager who plays a style that is aspirational, but also doesn't require a £1b budget

I want someone looking at this team and knows that we don't have the players to sit and absorb tonnes of pressure

That looks at Eze and Olise and knows that success will come by giving them a platform to play

That values individual flair. The closes I can get to Palace DNA, is fast, positive wide men that like to show off and take men on.

That notices issues in our current play, either individually or collectively, e.g. don't go long often enough, taking too many touches etc

That has a statistical view on what we are doing wrong/need to do - e.g. more crosses into the box, transition quicker etc

That is a fan of playing young players and a good track record of introducing them into the first team.

I guess it all boils down to having a philosophy, but the pragmatism and experience to know that it will take time, and some new players to make it a reality. And hell, if this was any other job interview, you'd want demonstrable evidence that they know how to do it.

Agree sounds ideal. Good luck with finding someone who can do all that yet for some reason is available.

 

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Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 14 Apr 23 11.12am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by MrRobbo

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I both agree and disagree in equal measures. I 100% agree that any manager needs to understand strengths and limitations etc. And you cant walk in with a formular that worked elsewhere and expect it to work.

But for the same reason I also believe that you don't bring a manager in who just works it out as they go. You have to bring someone in who can help guide the team into the place you want to be. (Paris tried to do that with FdB, but obviously went too far)

I want a manager who plays a style that is aspirational, but also doesn't require a £1b budget

I want someone looking at this team and knows that we don't have the players to sit and absorb tonnes of pressure

That looks at Eze and Olise and knows that success will come by giving them a platform to play

That values individual flair. The closes I can get to Palace DNA, is fast, positive wide men that like to show off and take men on.

That notices issues in our current play, either individually or collectively, e.g. don't go long often enough, taking too many touches etc

That has a statistical view on what we are doing wrong/need to do - e.g. more crosses into the box, transition quicker etc

That is a fan of playing young players and a good track record of introducing them into the first team.

I guess it all boils down to having a philosophy, but the pragmatism and experience to know that it will take time, and some new players to make it a reality. And hell, if this was any other job interview, you'd want demonstrable evidence that they know how to do it.

Apologies Robbo but that is essentially what I was getting at so agree.

I think we need a manger that thinks 'How can I push this team forward/improve this team/get the bets possible out of them' as opposed to either:

a) How can I play pragmatic football alone with this team

or

b) I want to play like X (FdB/Vieira approach) regardless of the players at my disposal.

I think the team as it exists now plus (very hopefully) a few additions will allow enough talent for exploitation to see us perform solidly whilst endeavouring to achieve more than just a relatively comfortable survival.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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MrRobbo Flag Chaldon 14 Apr 23 11.18am Send a Private Message to MrRobbo Add MrRobbo as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Apologies Robbo but that is essentially what I was getting at so agree.

I think we need a manger that thinks 'How can I push this team forward/improve this team/get the bets possible out of them' as opposed to either:

a) How can I play pragmatic football alone with this team

or

b) I want to play like X (FdB/Vieira approach) regardless of the players at my disposal.

I think the team as it exists now plus (very hopefully) a few additions will allow enough talent for exploitation to see us perform solidly whilst endeavouring to achieve more than just a relatively comfortable survival.

Yep 100%

 

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