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leifandersonshair Flag Newport 10 May 16 12.30pm Send a Private Message to leifandersonshair Add leifandersonshair as a friend

Cameron is only going to get more and more desperate as the vote approaches. He knows his position as leader will be untenable if the public vote Leave, and there will be a political scrum as leading Tories try to position themselves as successor.

Cameron gambled- by pushing hard for the Remain camp, he knew a Remain vote would have sunk Boris and IDS (politically), but the Remain vote looked a lot safer months ago when first announced...

I'm actually in the Remain camp, but neither camp has really done a great job getting it's message across. Looking forward to the political mayhem that will result whatever the outcome!

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 10 May 16 12.46pm

Originally posted by leifandersonshair

Cameron is only going to get more and more desperate as the vote approaches. He knows his position as leader will be untenable if the public vote Leave, and there will be a political scrum as leading Tories try to position themselves as successor.

Cameron gambled- by pushing hard for the Remain camp, he knew a Remain vote would have sunk Boris and IDS (politically), but the Remain vote looked a lot safer months ago when first announced...

I'm actually in the Remain camp, but neither camp has really done a great job getting it's message across. Looking forward to the political mayhem that will result whatever the outcome!

I think Cameron can probably weather an exit, provided its close. The larger the margin the more untenable his position may be, especially to ambitious pro-exit candidates.

Usually in referendums, the 'change' campaign prospers early on, but closer to the date the 'bravado' starts to waiver and people start to change their minds. People start to think more about consequences and risk, as they get closer to having to make a decision. Whilst its a more distant thing, they tend to be more idealistic than pragmatic.

Out!

 


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JohnyBoy Flag 10 May 16 1.36pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

Hahaha... very amusing Johnny.... I like it mate.

I've portrayed an image on here that you have captured exactly.... bravo sir!

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Perhaps when this blo@dy war is over Hoof and the borders are reopened in say 40 years time we could meet at one of those memorial arches, remembering fallen comrades and wondering at the futility of it all...
Over here we are busy applauding (nay laughing) at the honesty of cucking for his admission that he would like a return to colonialisation...he must be a good bloke to have around when the bombs start falling....we dont know about that willo fellow tho. Despite constant reports that he can see the rational and obvious benefits of the remain campaign he insists LOUDLY he will vote leave. TBH we dont want him on our side Hoof, sounds like one of those unpopular types that deliberately takes the controversial and limited argument to provoke a bit of controversy ....perhaps it makes him feel more important than he is. We have enough trouble over here with those liberal beatnik peace and prosperity types ....going on about their 'enhanced life opportunities' and bottles of shiraz they will be enjoying if we remain. Get real i tell em, we are at war...there goes another blunder by one of our generals...Good day to you Hoof...

 

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johnfirewall Flag 10 May 16 2.18pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

Forgot about the EU ruling Workfare illegal.

This may be amusing to the left who rigidly stand up for the poor even where poverty is self inflicted but why take from those people to give to Europe and the rest of the Union's poor?

Edited by johnfirewall (10 May 2016 2.18pm)

 

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Stuk Flag Top half 10 May 16 2.53pm Send a Private Message to Stuk Add Stuk as a friend

Originally posted by Hoof Hearted

The name's Hunt Kermy.. not C U Next Tuesday.

Cameron is playing a game.

When the EU demanded a further £1.8M a couple of years ago he was as Eurosceptic as it was possible to be... probably on a par with Corbyn.

Now the two are lining up fully behind the Remain campaign because it suits their political agenda, not because they believe in it.

You bigging up Cameron is just the same thing Kermy. Outside of this referendum debate you wouldn't have a good word to say about him or Osborne would you?

As somebody else said on here recently - it's the "muppets" that will decide it and right now the message that immigration is choking our country to death is resonating with those who are most affected by it.

Talk of the economy being stronger doesn't cut it.

Billion wasn't it?

 


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dannyh Flag wherever I lay my hat....... 10 May 16 3.09pm Send a Private Message to dannyh Add dannyh as a friend

Originally posted by Willo


Absolutely NOT.

I am firmly in the "Brexit" camp and my position is entrenched.

Whatever gave that impression I'm sure I don't know.

OUT OUT OUT !

 


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JohnyBoy Flag 10 May 16 4.46pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by dannyh

Whatever gave that impression I'm sure I don't know.

OUT OUT OUT !

You definitely sound like you are wavering to me Danny, c'mon over, you will be much more prosperous, liberated and safe....plus there are lots of good lads over here: kermit, bigpalacefan and lankygit to name but a few

 

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JohnyBoy Flag 10 May 16 6.03pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by JohnyBoy

You definitely sound like you are wavering to me Danny, c'mon over, you will be much more prosperous, liberated and safe....plus there are lots of good lads over here: kermit, bigpalacefan and lankygit to name but a few

And i forgot to mention you will be £4300 a year better off Danny, thats nearly 1500 pints of wetherspoons beer, surely thats enough to tip you over...

 

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JohnyBoy Flag 10 May 16 6.42pm Send a Private Message to JohnyBoy Add JohnyBoy as a friend

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Absolutely not, old fruit. Furthermore, I'm all for reclaiming the Empire, too.

To quote the great Winston:

We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed.

Thank you for your honesty on this one Cucking, it is quite refreshing compared to the denials over the threat to the economy, financial markets, security, household prosperity and trade. You do not need to understand rational expectations theory to form the view that all would be significantly worse off (although admitedly we dont know exactly by how much) in thd event if brexit.
But to bring us back to the days of empire would drag us back into arguably the 2nd worse crime in human history -colonialism (2nd only to the slave trade). Didnt Churchill also say that "history will be kind to me because i intend to write it"....although i should comment here that his leadership in ww2 to defeat the nazis was truly commendable. But the fact that he inherited a colonial empire taints the big picture. The nazis actually used Churchill as to how they were under threat from imperialism and that the British felt they should be the only ones to shoulder the burden of wealth and prosperity. They reminded people that it was the British that invented concentration camps during the Boer war and in one film - Ohm Kruger, showed a concentration camp where Churchill was the commendant where 26000 woman and children were slaughtered. Under competing colonial empires, with little or no trade interdependency, diplomacy and indeed economic stagnation and decline, tensions inevitably sparked ww1. They called if the great war, that would end all wars, and 'lest we forget'
Buf within a measly 20 years , barely a generation, the far right of europe (including the Uk's Oswold Mosely) were in the ascendency. Finally Mussolini's italy withdrew from the league of nations and ww2 began.
I for one, am very wary of right wing nationslism. It really only serves individual political interest and is really very dangerous. When David Cameron warns of increased risk of war alongside the head of mi6 saying security will be compromised, i for 1 take them seriously. Whilst i dont see a conflict happening in thd event of brexit, i also wont forget the lessons of history - and that after both world wars said never again...

 

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johnfirewall Flag 10 May 16 7.26pm Send a Private Message to johnfirewall Add johnfirewall as a friend

How are the French allowed to go above their own parliament and Europe

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when we're at the sharp end of things like this?

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legaleagle Flag 11 May 16 9.33am

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

Absolutely not, old fruit. Furthermore, I'm all for reclaiming the Empire, too.

To quote the great Winston:

We are with Europe, but not of it. We are linked but not combined. We are interested and associated but not absorbed.

You have surpassed yourself here Cucking!

Will you commence the reclamation of Empire by leading a one person re-invasion of Mesopotamia (Iraq) to reactivate the mandate,start a new opium War in China to get back the "treaty port" of Shanghai ,or perhaps hide in a container of tea headed for Boston to sort those damn uppity Yankees out?

 

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legaleagle Flag 11 May 16 9.37am

Originally posted by johnfirewall

How are the French allowed to go above their own parliament and Europe

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when we're at the sharp end of things like this?

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Umm...The same way we have changed our labour laws (at times controversially) a number of times over the years since joining the EU,and the same way our governments have "got round" the hassle of parliamentary democracy to introduce laws regularly over the years by using the Royal Prerogative...

 

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