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Some more Romanian statistics taken from a police response to a freedom of information request.
crimes by Romanian Nationals in the UK:

2012: Burglary 441, Robbery 93, All Other Violent Offences 779, Rape 20, All Other Sexual Offences 178, Murder 3, All Other Offences 5869. Total 7383.

2011: Burglary 385, Robbery 67, All Other Violent Offences 760, Rape 41, All Other Sexual Offences 197, Murder 5, All Other Offences 5332. Total 6787.

2010: Burglary 312, Robbery 75, All Other Violent Offences 657, Rape 31, All Other Sexual Offences 151, Murder 1, All Other Offences 5169. Total 6396.

2009: Burglary 178, Robbery 49, All Other Violent Offences 476, Rape 35, All Other Sexual Offences 120, Murder 1, All Other Offences 4099. Total 4958.

In 2012 (from Office of National Statistics) there were 101,000 Romanian born Nationals in the UK. So crime rate for 2012 is 7.31%

Figures for say South African Nationals in the UK were:

2012: Burglary 2, Robbery 2, All Other Violent Offences 108, Rape 3, All Other Sexual Offences 10, Murder 0, All Other Offences 207. Total 332.

In 2012 (from Office of National Statistics) there were 209,000 South African born Nationals in the UK. So crime rate for 2012 is 0.16%

I decided to double-check your maths and surprisingly my calculator shows completely different results.

Romanian crime rate for 2012 = 0.07%

South African crime rate for 2012 = 0.001%

England & Wales crime rate for 2012 = 0.07%

So, what has been proved is that South Africans are great people and the Romanians are as criminal as the next guy, but no more.


The next Romanian.


Or english/welsh, no better no worse. Which is pretty much what i had expected, the idea that one nationality is more likely to commit crimes than another is at the end of the day a bit silly.


They're miles worse. Thievery is hard-wired into them.


The Welsh???

 

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So which figures are correct? My maths are terrible

 

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Some more Romanian statistics taken from a police response to a freedom of information request.
crimes by Romanian Nationals in the UK:

2012: Burglary 441, Robbery 93, All Other Violent Offences 779, Rape 20, All Other Sexual Offences 178, Murder 3, All Other Offences 5869. Total 7383.

2011: Burglary 385, Robbery 67, All Other Violent Offences 760, Rape 41, All Other Sexual Offences 197, Murder 5, All Other Offences 5332. Total 6787.

2010: Burglary 312, Robbery 75, All Other Violent Offences 657, Rape 31, All Other Sexual Offences 151, Murder 1, All Other Offences 5169. Total 6396.

2009: Burglary 178, Robbery 49, All Other Violent Offences 476, Rape 35, All Other Sexual Offences 120, Murder 1, All Other Offences 4099. Total 4958.

In 2012 (from Office of National Statistics) there were 101,000 Romanian born Nationals in the UK. So crime rate for 2012 is 7.31%

Figures for say South African Nationals in the UK were:

2012: Burglary 2, Robbery 2, All Other Violent Offences 108, Rape 3, All Other Sexual Offences 10, Murder 0, All Other Offences 207. Total 332.

In 2012 (from Office of National Statistics) there were 209,000 South African born Nationals in the UK. So crime rate for 2012 is 0.16%

I decided to double-check your maths and surprisingly my calculator shows completely different results.

Romanian crime rate for 2012 = 0.07%

South African crime rate for 2012 = 0.001%

England & Wales crime rate for 2012 = 0.07%

So, what has been proved is that South Africans are great people and the Romanians are as criminal as the next guy, but no more.


The next Romanian.


Or english/welsh, no better no worse. Which is pretty much what i had expected, the idea that one nationality is more likely to commit crimes than another is at the end of the day a bit silly.


They're miles worse. Thievery is hard-wired into them.


The Welsh???

I wasn't aware we were discussing the Welsh.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Some more Romanian statistics taken from a police response to a freedom of information request.
crimes by Romanian Nationals in the UK:

2012: Burglary 441, Robbery 93, All Other Violent Offences 779, Rape 20, All Other Sexual Offences 178, Murder 3, All Other Offences 5869. Total 7383.

2011: Burglary 385, Robbery 67, All Other Violent Offences 760, Rape 41, All Other Sexual Offences 197, Murder 5, All Other Offences 5332. Total 6787.

2010: Burglary 312, Robbery 75, All Other Violent Offences 657, Rape 31, All Other Sexual Offences 151, Murder 1, All Other Offences 5169. Total 6396.

2009: Burglary 178, Robbery 49, All Other Violent Offences 476, Rape 35, All Other Sexual Offences 120, Murder 1, All Other Offences 4099. Total 4958.

In 2012 (from Office of National Statistics) there were 101,000 Romanian born Nationals in the UK. So crime rate for 2012 is 7.31%

Figures for say South African Nationals in the UK were:

2012: Burglary 2, Robbery 2, All Other Violent Offences 108, Rape 3, All Other Sexual Offences 10, Murder 0, All Other Offences 207. Total 332.

In 2012 (from Office of National Statistics) there were 209,000 South African born Nationals in the UK. So crime rate for 2012 is 0.16%

I decided to double-check your maths and surprisingly my calculator shows completely different results.

Romanian crime rate for 2012 = 0.07%

South African crime rate for 2012 = 0.001%

England & Wales crime rate for 2012 = 0.07%

So, what has been proved is that South Africans are great people and the Romanians are as criminal as the next guy, but no more.


The next Romanian.


Or english/welsh, no better no worse. Which is pretty much what i had expected, the idea that one nationality is more likely to commit crimes than another is at the end of the day a bit silly.


They're miles worse. Thievery is hard-wired into them.


The Welsh???

I wasn't aware we were discussing the Welsh.

? Sorry, but your post seemed to be directed at them. So, if its not the welsh, its the english??? Bit harsh.

 

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Some more Romanian statistics taken from a police response to a freedom of information request.
crimes by Romanian Nationals in the UK:

2012: Burglary 441, Robbery 93, All Other Violent Offences 779, Rape 20, All Other Sexual Offences 178, Murder 3, All Other Offences 5869. Total 7383.

2011: Burglary 385, Robbery 67, All Other Violent Offences 760, Rape 41, All Other Sexual Offences 197, Murder 5, All Other Offences 5332. Total 6787.

2010: Burglary 312, Robbery 75, All Other Violent Offences 657, Rape 31, All Other Sexual Offences 151, Murder 1, All Other Offences 5169. Total 6396.

2009: Burglary 178, Robbery 49, All Other Violent Offences 476, Rape 35, All Other Sexual Offences 120, Murder 1, All Other Offences 4099. Total 4958.

In 2012 (from Office of National Statistics) there were 101,000 Romanian born Nationals in the UK. So crime rate for 2012 is 7.31%

Figures for say South African Nationals in the UK were:

2012: Burglary 2, Robbery 2, All Other Violent Offences 108, Rape 3, All Other Sexual Offences 10, Murder 0, All Other Offences 207. Total 332.

In 2012 (from Office of National Statistics) there were 209,000 South African born Nationals in the UK. So crime rate for 2012 is 0.16%

I decided to double-check your maths and surprisingly my calculator shows completely different results.

Romanian crime rate for 2012 = 0.07%

South African crime rate for 2012 = 0.001%

England & Wales crime rate for 2012 = 0.07%

So, what has been proved is that South Africans are great people and the Romanians are as criminal as the next guy, but no more.


The next Romanian.


Or english/welsh, no better no worse. Which is pretty much what i had expected, the idea that one nationality is more likely to commit crimes than another is at the end of the day a bit silly.


They're miles worse. Thievery is hard-wired into them.


The Welsh???

I wasn't aware we were discussing the Welsh.

? Sorry, but your post seemed to be directed at them. So, if its not the welsh, its the english??? Bit harsh.


I dunno, mate. Maybe you're being deliberately obtuse.

 


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Some more Romanian statistics taken from a police response to a freedom of information request.
crimes by Romanian Nationals in the UK:

2012: Burglary 441, Robbery 93, All Other Violent Offences 779, Rape 20, All Other Sexual Offences 178, Murder 3, All Other Offences 5869. Total 7383.

2011: Burglary 385, Robbery 67, All Other Violent Offences 760, Rape 41, All Other Sexual Offences 197, Murder 5, All Other Offences 5332. Total 6787.

2010: Burglary 312, Robbery 75, All Other Violent Offences 657, Rape 31, All Other Sexual Offences 151, Murder 1, All Other Offences 5169. Total 6396.

2009: Burglary 178, Robbery 49, All Other Violent Offences 476, Rape 35, All Other Sexual Offences 120, Murder 1, All Other Offences 4099. Total 4958.

In 2012 (from Office of National Statistics) there were 101,000 Romanian born Nationals in the UK. So crime rate for 2012 is 7.31%

Figures for say South African Nationals in the UK were:

2012: Burglary 2, Robbery 2, All Other Violent Offences 108, Rape 3, All Other Sexual Offences 10, Murder 0, All Other Offences 207. Total 332.

In 2012 (from Office of National Statistics) there were 209,000 South African born Nationals in the UK. So crime rate for 2012 is 0.16%

I decided to double-check your maths and surprisingly my calculator shows completely different results.

Romanian crime rate for 2012 = 0.07%

South African crime rate for 2012 = 0.001%

England & Wales crime rate for 2012 = 0.07%

So, what has been proved is that South Africans are great people and the Romanians are as criminal as the next guy, but no more.


The next Romanian.


Or english/welsh, no better no worse. Which is pretty much what i had expected, the idea that one nationality is more likely to commit crimes than another is at the end of the day a bit silly.


They're miles worse. Thievery is hard-wired into them.


The Welsh???

I wasn't aware we were discussing the Welsh.

? Sorry, but your post seemed to be directed at them. So, if its not the welsh, its the english??? Bit harsh.


I dunno, mate. Maybe you're being deliberately obtuse.

Have we now strayed into the Shawshank Redemption??

But seriously, you are entitled to think whatever you may about the good people of england, but i doubt that too many of them are 'hard-wired for thievery'. Except the ones in Westminster of course.

 

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legaleagle Flag 21 Aug 15 8.49pm

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Some more Romanian statistics taken from a police response to a freedom of information request.
crimes by Romanian Nationals in the UK:

2012: Burglary 441, Robbery 93, All Other Violent Offences 779, Rape 20, All Other Sexual Offences 178, Murder 3, All Other Offences 5869. Total 7383.

2011: Burglary 385, Robbery 67, All Other Violent Offences 760, Rape 41, All Other Sexual Offences 197, Murder 5, All Other Offences 5332. Total 6787.

2010: Burglary 312, Robbery 75, All Other Violent Offences 657, Rape 31, All Other Sexual Offences 151, Murder 1, All Other Offences 5169. Total 6396.

2009: Burglary 178, Robbery 49, All Other Violent Offences 476, Rape 35, All Other Sexual Offences 120, Murder 1, All Other Offences 4099. Total 4958.

In 2012 (from Office of National Statistics) there were 101,000 Romanian born Nationals in the UK. So crime rate for 2012 is 7.31%

Figures for say South African Nationals in the UK were:

2012: Burglary 2, Robbery 2, All Other Violent Offences 108, Rape 3, All Other Sexual Offences 10, Murder 0, All Other Offences 207. Total 332.

In 2012 (from Office of National Statistics) there were 209,000 South African born Nationals in the UK. So crime rate for 2012 is 0.16%

I decided to double-check your maths and surprisingly my calculator shows completely different results.

Romanian crime rate for 2012 = 0.07%

South African crime rate for 2012 = 0.001%

England & Wales crime rate for 2012 = 0.07%

So, what has been proved is that South Africans are great people and the Romanians are as criminal as the next guy, but no more.

Really? 7383 as a percentage of 101,000 is 7.3099%.
Perhaps you should get a new calculator or learn to use the one you have.
Of course the figure in reality is higher as some of the 101,000 would be children.


Edited by leggedstruggle (21 Aug 2015 6.29pm)


According to ONS statistics, as of June 2014,the population of England and Wales was 57.41 million.

According to ONS statistics,3.7 million offences were committed in England and Wales in 2014.

This equates according to my calculator to 6.44%.

Take out that Romanians here are likely to a have a much lower percentage of elderly people,who on average commit less crimes and perhaps less very wealthy people (who get caught and convicted less often)and,shock horror,Romanians here basically have about the same propensity to be convicted of offences as anyone else.

Edited by legaleagle (21 Aug 2015 8.53pm)

 

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All the white paedo rings get their come uppance in the press as much as the muslim gangs grooming young girls in Rotheram and various other towns, so let's not get all indignant about the Asian grooming gangs being exposed. It is true to say that this ridiculous approach of being too scared to say anything for fear of being branded a racist has probably allowed this disgusting behaviour to flourish. All paedophillia, no matter the colour of the perps is truly disgusting.
Hell, all you have to do is be against immigration and you get branded a racist! This ridiculous leftist PC BS has to stop now.

 

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legaleagle Flag 21 Aug 15 9.12pm

Quote leggedstruggle at 21 Aug 2015 2.37pm

Sorry got it wrong - 92% rather than 90%

Source was DCI Paul Barnard, head of the Dedicated Cheque and Plastic Crime Unit (DCPCU) – a police unit run in partnership with banks and financial services companies. DCI Barnard told ITV1’s ‘Fraud Squad’ programme that:

“The fact is 92 per cent of all ATM fraud we see in this country is committed by Romanian nationals.”

I think DCI Barnard made his assertion in 2012.

Interestingly, it seems that when DCI Barnard's unit were later approached (after he had left) for substantiation,they said they had actual factual data they could provide to back this up.

The Dedicated Cheque and Plastic Crime Unit in London issued a statememt in 2013 that: "The latest annual figures show that, in 2012, the top five countries for fraudulent activity on UK issued cards were USA, France, Luxembourg, Italy and Ireland".

When the Met answered a Freedom of Information request ,their figures indicated that only 5.8 per cent of people arrested for fraud in London in 2012 were Romanian.


 

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All the white paedo rings get their come uppance in the press as much as the muslim gangs grooming young girls in Rotheram and various other towns, so let's not get all indignant about the Asian grooming gangs being exposed. It is true to say that this ridiculous approach of being too scared to say anything for fear of being branded a racist has probably allowed this disgusting behaviour to flourish. All paedophillia, no matter the colour of the perps is truly disgusting.
Hell, all you have to do is be against immigration and you get branded a racist! This ridiculous leftist PC BS has to stop now.


No,all someone has to do to be branded a racist is to make a number of comments suggesting they have a clear propensity for holding and spouting racist sentiments. Not everyone raising anti-immigration points of view is a racist and it would be absurd to suggest otherwise.About as silly as anyone labelling someone of vaguely "left" views as an admirer of,say, Trotsky or N Korea or Stalin. There are some of a "left" persuasion who do admire Trotsky.Far from all but they are there.There are some who are of "the right" and who are "anti-immigration" who give the clear impression of being racist and are rightly called racists.Far from all,but they are also there.

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Quote fed up eagle at 21 Aug 2015 9.05pm

All the white paedo rings get their come uppance in the press as much as the muslim gangs grooming young girls in Rotheram and various other towns, so let's not get all indignant about the Asian grooming gangs being exposed. It is true to say that this ridiculous approach of being too scared to say anything for fear of being branded a racist has probably allowed this disgusting behaviour to flourish. All paedophillia, no matter the colour of the perps is truly disgusting.
Hell, all you have to do is be against immigration and you get branded a racist! This ridiculous leftist PC BS has to stop now.


No,all someone has to do to be branded a racist is to make a number of comments suggesting they have a clear propensity for holding and spouting racist sentiments. Not everyone raising anti-immigration points of view is a racist and it would be absurd to suggest otherwise.About as silly as anyone labelling someone of vaguely "left" views as an admirer of,say, Trotsky or N Korea or Stalin. There are some of a "left" persuasion who do admire Trotsky.Far from all but they are there.There are some who are of "the right" and who are "anti-immigration" who give the clear impression of being racist and are rightly called racists.Far from all,but they are also there.

Edited by legaleagle (21 Aug 2015 9.22pm)


Where did you study law? Polytechnic Institute of Tautology?

"clear impression of being racist". Do you know how you sound? What an idiot. I've noticed the propensity for "idiot left" (yup, there I go again!!) to redefine meaning to suit their agendas. You only discredit yourself.

What race are immigrants anyway?

 

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legaleagle Flag 21 Aug 15 9.43pm

Dear Dave (not a) M. Your post doesn't appear to relate to what I actually wrote other than your criticisms of my mode of expression.

Please forgive my lack of any talent in that area and for not meeting your own high linguistic standards (never studied law at a Poly let alone a Uni).I will try to follow your example (I would say meet your standards, but alas I could never equal them) more closely in future, if I can

Here's my starting homework (to be written out ten times):

1.I thought it was reasonable to suggest that people who write racist things (and only such people) can be called racists (and bearing in mind the immigration-related context of the preceding posts and other threads on here).Having taken your comments on board, I now know its an "idiotic" thing to say.

2. I thought it was reasonable to suggest it would be ridiculous to say all who are "anti-immigration" are racists.Now I know from you that's "idiotic"

3.I thought it was ok to suggest it would be equally ridiculous to say all on "the left" admire Stalin or Trotsky or N Korea. Now I know that was "idiotic".

4.I thought it was reasonable to say some on the left (but far from all )do admire,for example,Trotsky.Now I know that was "idiotic".

5.I thought in light of the above,it was reasonable to say some (but far from all) who are on "the right" and "anti-immigration" are racists. Now I know that was an "idiotic" thing to even suggest.


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