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Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Dec 20 10.02am
[Link] ‘NHS staff no longer at front of queue for Covid vaccine after rethink’ Any idea why? Could it be because they know the nhs worker take up will be very low whereas the old people will nearly all take it? Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Dec 2020 10.03am) COYP
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Caterham 04 Dec 20 10.02am

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‘NHS staff no longer at front of queue for Covid vaccine after rethink’

Any idea why? Could it be because they know the nhs worker take up will be very low whereas the old people will nearly all take it?

Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Dec 2020 10.03am)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 20 11.24am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly So a vaccine that would normally take 10 years to develop and get approval, takes only 10 months. Make your own judgement call. And I still regularly gob-off to morons who think a mask is a 'Get out of jail card' to ignore social distancing, and other precautions. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (04 Dec 2020 2.27am) That's down to funding and logistics and not any short-cutting of the testing regimes. Regimes that were helped by the fact that the structure of the vaccines were already tested because they are using an existing one and tweaking it in an important way but one which is known cannot impact it's safety. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 20 11.24am

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

So a vaccine that would normally take 10 years to develop and get approval, takes only 10 months.
Make your own judgement call.

And I still regularly gob-off to morons who think a mask is a 'Get out of jail card' to ignore social distancing, and other precautions.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (04 Dec 2020 2.27am)

That's down to funding and logistics and not any short-cutting of the testing regimes. Regimes that were helped by the fact that the structure of the vaccines were already tested because they are using an existing one and tweaking it in an important way but one which is known cannot impact it's safety.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 20 11.32am
Originally posted by cryrst I thought that this vaccine had many properties of the flue vaccine with a few tweaks. That has had years and is modified every year to suit the type of flue virus for that year. I don't think they are flu vaccines as this is a coronavirus (don't ask me what the difference is!) for which no vaccine had ever been approved before. If my understanding is correct it was a new development of a corona vaccine which had successfully been tested on monkeys that provided the base material which was then modified to be specific for C19. This also holds out the opportunity of fast-tracked vaccines for any other emergence of future coronaviruses or, I guess, mutations of this one. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 20 11.32am

Originally posted by cryrst

I thought that this vaccine had many properties of the flue vaccine with a few tweaks. That has had years and is modified every year to suit the type of flue virus for that year.

I don't think they are flu vaccines as this is a coronavirus (don't ask me what the difference is!) for which no vaccine had ever been approved before. If my understanding is correct it was a new development of a corona vaccine which had successfully been tested on monkeys that provided the base material which was then modified to be specific for C19. This also holds out the opportunity of fast-tracked vaccines for any other emergence of future coronaviruses or, I guess, mutations of this one.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 20 11.44am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman [Link] ‘NHS staff no longer at front of queue for Covid vaccine after rethink’ Any idea why? Could it be because they know the nhs worker take up will be very low whereas the old people will nearly all take it? Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Dec 2020 10.03am) My wife works in the NHS and the take-up, when available, will be high. People who are surrounded by those who understand the science mostly appreciate the benefits and know that the downside is at worst some mild discomfort. There will always be a few who believe what's written in the social media and refuse to believe the experts. If the priority list is being revised then my guess would be that those on the front line in red Covid wards will all get vaccinated asap but those on other wards won't. Community nurses and GPs who deal with C19 would also get one early. It all depends on the assessed risk. Infection control protocols mean those risks are carefully controlled. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Wisbech Eagle

Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 20 11.44am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

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‘NHS staff no longer at front of queue for Covid vaccine after rethink’

Any idea why? Could it be because they know the nhs worker take up will be very low whereas the old people will nearly all take it?

Edited by Rudi Hedman (04 Dec 2020 10.03am)

My wife works in the NHS and the take-up, when available, will be high. People who are surrounded by those who understand the science mostly appreciate the benefits and know that the downside is at worst some mild discomfort. There will always be a few who believe what's written in the social media and refuse to believe the experts.

If the priority list is being revised then my guess would be that those on the front line in red Covid wards will all get vaccinated asap but those on other wards won't. Community nurses and GPs who deal with C19 would also get one early. It all depends on the assessed risk. Infection control protocols mean those risks are carefully controlled.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 04 Dec 20 11.58am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle My wife works in the NHS and the take-up, when available, will be high. People who are surrounded by those who understand the science mostly appreciate the benefits and know that the downside is at worst some mild discomfort. There will always be a few who believe what's written in the social media and refuse to believe the experts. If the priority list is being revised then my guess would be that those on the front line in red Covid wards will all get vaccinated asap but those on other wards won't. Community nurses and GPs who deal with C19 would also get one early. It all depends on the assessed risk. Infection control protocols mean those risks are carefully controlled. The NHS should be keeping staff well and working, keeping others alive, and right up at the top of the list. COYP
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Caterham 04 Dec 20 11.58am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

The NHS should be keeping staff well and working, keeping others alive, and right up at the top of the list.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Dec 20 12.03pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman The NHS should be keeping staff well and working, keeping others alive, and right up at the top of the list. They should be giving the nurses a pay rise and a Christmas bonus. F@ck the 'Health Chiefs' though. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Dec 20 12.03pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

The NHS should be keeping staff well and working, keeping others alive, and right up at the top of the list.

They should be giving the nurses a pay rise and a Christmas bonus. F@ck the 'Health Chiefs' though.

Red and Blue Army!

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BlueJay UK 04 Dec 20 12.06pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops And a bomb could have dropped on him during the war but it didn’t. You are so wrapped up in your own idea of what is right and wrong that you cannot see other people’s point of view. He currently sits on his own at home in a tier 3 area and his only contact with anyone is if someone picks up the phone. If the last year of his life is spent deteriorating at home because he is lonely then will you still be arguing he did the right thing by staying in on his own. By his own admission, if he was to die from COVID he would say it was his decision. He’s had a great life so I will never begrudge him a half a pint twice a week at the local golf club whatever the outcome. If you think that is selfish then I would appreciate you keeping that thought to yourself. You sound like you're more married to your ideas than I am. I've simply pointed out that there is a downside to whatever approach you take and that his current situation of being alive and imminently able to receive a vaccination that will result in many more half pints ahead of him is much better than many of the fates that could've befallen him over the past months. A bomb didn't drop on him in the war, I'm happy about that. It also has zero relation in any sense to whether he'd have caught covid if he'd frequented a pub. He likely says if he caught covid it would be his decision primarily because he doesn't 'truly' believe he'll catch it. It's not like if he did though and was gasping for breath he'd be saying 'by golly chap, nevermind I knew this was a possibly!'. No it would be painful and grim and in that situation the wrong decision made. As such, I'm glad he's alive and kicking. Despite the moaning, he now looks to have a good few half pints ahead of him. Edited by BlueJay (04 Dec 2020 12.10pm)
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UK 04 Dec 20 12.06pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

And a bomb could have dropped on him during the war but it didn’t. You are so wrapped up in your own idea of what is right and wrong that you cannot see other people’s point of view. He currently sits on his own at home in a tier 3 area and his only contact with anyone is if someone picks up the phone. If the last year of his life is spent deteriorating at home because he is lonely then will you still be arguing he did the right thing by staying in on his own.

By his own admission, if he was to die from COVID he would say it was his decision. He’s had a great life so I will never begrudge him a half a pint twice a week at the local golf club whatever the outcome. If you think that is selfish then I would appreciate you keeping that thought to yourself.

You sound like you're more married to your ideas than I am. I've simply pointed out that there is a downside to whatever approach you take and that his current situation of being alive and imminently able to receive a vaccination that will result in many more half pints ahead of him is much better than many of the fates that could've befallen him over the past months.

A bomb didn't drop on him in the war, I'm happy about that. It also has zero relation in any sense to whether he'd have caught covid if he'd frequented a pub. He likely says if he caught covid it would be his decision primarily because he doesn't 'truly' believe he'll catch it. It's not like if he did though and was gasping for breath he'd be saying 'by golly chap, nevermind I knew this was a possibly!'. No it would be painful and grim and in that situation the wrong decision made. As such, I'm glad he's alive and kicking. Despite the moaning, he now looks to have a good few half pints ahead of him.

Edited by BlueJay (04 Dec 2020 12.10pm)

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 04 Dec 20 12.14pm
Christmas spirit Herod. Kill every child and parent Job done I disengage, I turn the page.
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Christmas spirit

Herod.

Kill every child and parent

Job done

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Badger11 Beckenham 04 Dec 20 12.34pm
Last week I warned of a spike in the Bromley area. This today from the Daily Mail courtesy of public Health England ---- I sent this to a mate in Lewisham as a warning too late him and his brother got the virus a couple of days ago. Edited by Badger11 (04 Dec 2020 1.33pm) Attachment: C86CD4B4BDF242AAB55E3E83227DAFEF.png (37.71Kb) One more point
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Last week I warned of a spike in the Bromley area. This today from the Daily Mail courtesy of public Health England
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I sent this to a mate in Lewisham as a warning too late him and his brother got the virus a couple of days ago.

Edited by Badger11 (04 Dec 2020 1.33pm)

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 20 1.03pm
Originally posted by ASCPFC They should be giving the nurses a pay rise and a Christmas bonus. F@ck the 'Health Chiefs' though. I could tell a horror story about something that Johnson and Hancock said, and then confirmed in a press release post-election, pre-Covid almost exactly a year ago about nurses being rewarded. I won't though openly say it here as it might yet be subject to enquiry by the Parliamentary Ombudsman. Suffice to say that there is a large group involved in health care that are feeling very cheated by this government and it's bs. If anyone reading this has a student nurse, or other health care professional under training in their family circle, and want to know what I mean then send me a private message. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 04 Dec 20 1.03pm

Originally posted by ASCPFC

They should be giving the nurses a pay rise and a Christmas bonus. F@ck the 'Health Chiefs' though.

I could tell a horror story about something that Johnson and Hancock said, and then confirmed in a press release post-election, pre-Covid almost exactly a year ago about nurses being rewarded. I won't though openly say it here as it might yet be subject to enquiry by the Parliamentary Ombudsman.

Suffice to say that there is a large group involved in health care that are feeling very cheated by this government and it's bs.

If anyone reading this has a student nurse, or other health care professional under training in their family circle, and want to know what I mean then send me a private message.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Eaglecoops CR3 04 Dec 20 1.24pm
Originally posted by BlueJay You sound like you're more married to your ideas than I am. I've simply pointed out that there is a downside to whatever approach you take and that his current situation of being alive and imminently able to receive a vaccination that will result in many more half pints ahead of him is much better than many of the fates that could've befallen him over the past months. A bomb didn't drop on him in the war, I'm happy about that. It also has zero relation in any sense to whether he'd have caught covid if he'd frequented a pub. He likely says if he caught covid it would be his decision primarily because he doesn't 'truly' believe he'll catch it. It's not like if he did though and was gasping for breath he'd be saying 'by golly chap, nevermind I knew this was a possibly!'. No it would be painful and grim and in that situation the wrong decision made. As such, I'm glad he's alive and kicking. Despite the moaning, he now looks to have a good few half pints ahead of him. Edited by BlueJay (04 Dec 2020 12.10pm) For the last time, I was relating his thoughts not mine, he doesn’t frequent pubs and the reference to being bombed was an analogy of the chance of something happening, But don’t let any of that get in the way of you preaching to me what’s best for him and what my ideas are as you seem to already have your mind made up. It’s like having a one way conversation with a government official.
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CR3 04 Dec 20 1.24pm

Originally posted by BlueJay

Edited by BlueJay (04 Dec 2020 12.10pm)

For the last time, I was relating his thoughts not mine, he doesn’t frequent pubs and the reference to being bombed was an analogy of the chance of something happening, But don’t let any of that get in the way of you preaching to me what’s best for him and what my ideas are as you seem to already have your mind made up. It’s like having a one way conversation with a government official.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Dec 20 1.38pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle I could tell a horror story about something that Johnson and Hancock said, and then confirmed in a press release post-election, pre-Covid almost exactly a year ago about nurses being rewarded. I won't though openly say it here as it might yet be subject to enquiry by the Parliamentary Ombudsman. Suffice to say that there is a large group involved in health care that are feeling very cheated by this government and it's bs. If anyone reading this has a student nurse, or other health care professional under training in their family circle, and want to know what I mean then send me a private message. You can say it Wisbech, it's all in the public domain. I seem to remember the promises of rewards, but nothing materialised - surprise, surprise. As always, too busy paying people to do nothing, mostly the same people who always do nothing. Even before Covid, I believed nurses should be paid more. As far as I'm aware most people thought the same. I don't think the HOL is covered by Parliamentary disclosure rules though! Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 04 Dec 20 1.38pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Suffice to say that there is a large group involved in health care that are feeling very cheated by this government and it's bs.

If anyone reading this has a student nurse, or other health care professional under training in their family circle, and want to know what I mean then send me a private message.

You can say it Wisbech, it's all in the public domain. I seem to remember the promises of rewards, but nothing materialised - surprise, surprise. As always, too busy paying people to do nothing, mostly the same people who always do nothing. Even before Covid, I believed nurses should be paid more. As far as I'm aware most people thought the same.
I don't think the HOL is covered by Parliamentary disclosure rules though!

Red and Blue Army!

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