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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Wearing a cloth mask isn't though to protect you! It's to protect others FROM you! So long as everyone does it, everyone is protected. You included. The masks that directly protect you are only needed in high-risk areas where there is a heavy viral load in the air from people known to have the disease. The cloth masks will stop coughs and sneezes, by the few who are infected, from spreading any virus far and wide by catching most of it in the mask, thus lessening transmission. It's probably the reason why cold and flu infections are lower this year. So not wearing a mask in the company of others who do won't impact you at all. It's just very selfish. Non mask wearing doesn’t happen much round here or the places I go so will be the last to give them up. They’re probably more hygienic too, which I’m more bothered about. I don’t have to wear one much so I put one on knowing I don’t cough or sneeze in it so know it’s pointless. I puff and pant in it while walking fast because I can’t breathe out of my nose the same. You could see the cloth being sucked in and out of my mouth. Utterly pointless and probably more risky for me in my case. On a plane I’d wear a real mask for an allegedly aerosol spreading virus rather than a piece of cloth or paper to stop a cough or sneeze that I’d cover myself safely if it were to happen without a mask actually. So to protect myself and those close to me I’d be pumping out more breath through the valves, but I doubt it matters on a long flight because I’d have to breathe air in and out to survive the flight wearing a piece of cloth or paper. Having said all that I do agree that face coverings have a small use in trapping coughs and sneezes, unless in cases of people coughing through their face cloth onto supermarket shelves. What happens after someone does a full heavy duty sneeze is anyone’s guess. But we’re talking about air circulating on a plane and again, an allegedly aerosol spreading virus. Reminds me of the ludicrous plans to take out the middle seat of 3 etc. Are they still doing this? Doing something for the sake of it? Proper mask, fair enough. Breathing out of and no doubt pulling aside a piece of cloth on a flight lasting hours with air circulating everywhere? And then all the meals come out and everyone takes them off for 30 mins. Mildly amusing.
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There’s more sense in testing airline passengers or having test certificates.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Non mask wearing doesn’t happen much round here or the places I go so will be the last to give them up. They’re probably more hygienic too, which I’m more bothered about. I don’t have to wear one much so I put one on knowing I don’t cough or sneeze in it so know it’s pointless. I puff and pant in it while walking fast because I can’t breathe out of my nose the same. You could see the cloth being sucked in and out of my mouth. Utterly pointless and probably more risky for me in my case. On a plane I’d wear a real mask for an allegedly aerosol spreading virus rather than a piece of cloth or paper to stop a cough or sneeze that I’d cover myself safely if it were to happen without a mask actually. So to protect myself and those close to me I’d be pumping out more breath through the valves, but I doubt it matters on a long flight because I’d have to breathe air in and out to survive the flight wearing a piece of cloth or paper. Having said all that I do agree that face coverings have a small use in trapping coughs and sneezes, unless in cases of people coughing through their face cloth onto supermarket shelves. What happens after someone does a full heavy duty sneeze is anyone’s guess. But we’re talking about air circulating on a plane and again, an allegedly aerosol spreading virus. Reminds me of the ludicrous plans to take out the middle seat of 3 etc. Are they still doing this? Doing something for the sake of it? Proper mask, fair enough. Breathing out of and no doubt pulling aside a piece of cloth on a flight lasting hours with air circulating everywhere? And then all the meals done out and everyone takes them off for 30 mins. Mildly amusing. Hepa filters on flights allegedly scrub the air clean. I was on a 4 hour flight day or so before lockdown and all seats were being used. Wore a mask all flight until I ate something. It is mildly amusing watching everyone with masks on until the cheese sandwiches come out and they then shove their mask in the pocket in front. Lovely!
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JVT doesn’t know either, DanH. You keep nodding. [Tweet Link]
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Top US expert says UK 'not as careful' over vaccine approval........ Well well is he right or a bit of sour grapes. The public take-up will tell us. Personally I feel extremely cautious.
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Doesn't this just make it all the more important to get vaccinated?
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
You don’t understand. Time is precious to him. He couldn’t give a damn about covid and his longevity, he would rather live for today and take the chance, so locking him up when he is at the end of his life is like being held in a prison. I don’t think he would take too kindly to you telling him he had been locked up for his own good as he just does not feel that way. Being up the pub today, and dying because your lungs are falling to pieces a couple of weeks later might have led to you re-evaluating if that happened to your Father. In a month or so if he's vaccinated, he can likely live up the pub for the rest of his days, rather than 'enjoy' today. People can 'feel' how they like about things. My point is that by the decision that was made - for the elderly anyway - he is at least still here to moan about it. Many aren't. Be grateful for that and happy that he's alive and kicking - and moaning. Edited by BlueJay (03 Dec 2020 6.18pm)
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Teenagers won’t be vaccinated as things stand. Also I expect many young adults termed ‘super spreaders’ won’t opt to get vaccinated either. What’s another concern is Jonathan Van Tam talking about social distancing and masks going on for years. Didn’t Boris try and shut him up on that one? I expect some wanting masks to carry on and indeed wearing them whatever. Personally I think the vaccination will be the beginning of the end for these other measures. Not that I'm saying it'll happen overnight, but once the most vulnerable groups are vaccinated deaths should drop off dramatically. In that scenario it wouldn't much matter if those in non at risk groups got covid. Once they've vaccinated everyone who wants it over 50, or whatever the plan is, personally I'd be all for mask wearing and social distancing being entirely optional. A combination of vaccination and community spread amongst those who wish to be more gungho doesn't sound like a bad thing really.
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Being up the pub today, and dying because your lungs are falling to pieces a couple of weeks later might have led to you re-evaluating if that happened to your Father. In a month or so if he's vaccinated, he can likely live up the pub for the rest of his days, rather than 'enjoy' today. People can 'feel' how they like about things. My point is that by the decision that was made - for the elderly anyway - he is at least still here to moan about it. Many aren't. Be grateful for that and happy that he's alive and kicking - and moaning.
And a bomb could have dropped on him during the war but it didn’t. You are so wrapped up in your own idea of what is right and wrong that you cannot see other people’s point of view. He currently sits on his own at home in a tier 3 area and his only contact with anyone is if someone picks up the phone. If the last year of his life is spent deteriorating at home because he is lonely then will you still be arguing he did the right thing by staying in on his own. By his own admission, if he was to die from COVID he would say it was his decision. He’s had a great life so I will never begrudge him a half a pint twice a week at the local golf club whatever the outcome. If you think that is selfish then I would appreciate you keeping that thought to yourself.
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Originally posted by DanH
Doesn't this just make it all the more important to get vaccinated? Oh yes, and again word for word what I knew you’d reply with. Problem is the safety trial starts in a few weeks after it’s rolled out for real.
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Originally posted by BlueJay
Personally I think the vaccination will be the beginning of the end for these other measures. Not that I'm saying it'll happen overnight, but once the most vulnerable groups are vaccinated deaths should drop off dramatically. In that scenario it wouldn't much matter if those in non at risk groups got covid. Once they've vaccinated everyone who wants it over 50, or whatever the plan is, personally I'd be all for mask wearing and social distancing being entirely optional. A combination of vaccination and community spread amongst those who wish to be more gungho doesn't sound like a bad thing really. I hope you’re right and so don’t disagree.
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