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Teddy Eagle 14 May 23 11.14am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Not when you live in a society, as we all do. Go be a hermit if you feel you only need to be concerned about yourself. We do tell smokers they cannot smoke. We exclude them from many places, including my home and the pub I use. If you drive a car you are also expected to do so responsibly and obey the rules. This ought to be no different. Great. And while you're about it make every one go on a 10 mile run everyday to keep fit, eat a government approved diet, ban alcohol and shoot all dogs in case one bites somebody.
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14 May 23 11.14am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not when you live in a society, as we all do. Go be a hermit if you feel you only need to be concerned about yourself.

We do tell smokers they cannot smoke. We exclude them from many places, including my home and the pub I use.

If you drive a car you are also expected to do so responsibly and obey the rules. This ought to be no different.

Great. And while you're about it make every one go on a 10 mile run everyday to keep fit, eat a government approved diet, ban alcohol and shoot all dogs in case one bites somebody.

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Stirlingsays 14 May 23 11.27am
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Not when you live in a society, as we all do. Go be a hermit if you feel you only need to be concerned about yourself. We do tell smokers they cannot smoke. We exclude them from many places, including my home and the pub I use. If you drive a car you are also expected to do so responsibly and obey the rules. This ought to be no different. Once again, being vaccinated does not stop transmission.....despite me being told specifically by a poster on this very website that it did....it was misinformation that actually came from official sources as well, all based on, 'trust me bro'....Having lawyers and editors didn't seem to make a difference...funny that isn't it. Even if not having the vaccine led to a greater chance of hospitalisation amongst the healthy...which is a stretch....no one is stopped from eating cake or boxing or other activities. People have agency to make their own health decisions. You constantly went on about the strain on the NHS, but the reality is that it was the lockdowns....of which you were a supporter....which did that far more than covid....creating a backlog which has directly led to god knows how many deaths now. The Nightingale hospitals built specifically for an increase in covid cases never reached anything near capacity.....before the vaccines nor after. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 May 2023 12.25pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 May 23 11.27am

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Not when you live in a society, as we all do. Go be a hermit if you feel you only need to be concerned about yourself.

We do tell smokers they cannot smoke. We exclude them from many places, including my home and the pub I use.

If you drive a car you are also expected to do so responsibly and obey the rules. This ought to be no different.

Once again, being vaccinated does not stop transmission.....despite me being told specifically by a poster on this very website that it did....it was misinformation that actually came from official sources as well, all based on, 'trust me bro'....Having lawyers and editors didn't seem to make a difference...funny that isn't it.

Even if not having the vaccine led to a greater chance of hospitalisation amongst the healthy...which is a stretch....no one is stopped from eating cake or boxing or other activities. People have agency to make their own health decisions.

You constantly went on about the strain on the NHS, but the reality is that it was the lockdowns....of which you were a supporter....which did that far more than covid....creating a backlog which has directly led to god knows how many deaths now.

The Nightingale hospitals built specifically for an increase in covid cases never reached anything near capacity.....before the vaccines nor after.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 May 2023 12.25pm)

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 14 May 23 12.13pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle This might seem logical, but it just isn't true. It demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the way the process was accelerated to ensure the vaccines were available when they were needed. The testing was every bit as thorough. It just didn't take as long. Huge resources were thrown at it, so the costs were probably higher than normal. We disagree. You are talking b0ll0x on this point, as you have done on many others. didn't you used to be editor of the Sunday Sport ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 May 2023 12.15pm) I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

This might seem logical, but it just isn't true. It demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the way the process was accelerated to ensure the vaccines were available when they were needed. The testing was every bit as thorough. It just didn't take as long. Huge resources were thrown at it, so the costs were probably higher than normal.

We disagree. You are talking b0ll0x on this point, as you have done on many others.
didn't you used to be editor of the Sunday Sport ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 May 2023 12.15pm)

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Stirlingsays 14 May 23 12.27pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly We disagree. You are talking b0ll0x on this point, as you have done on many others. didn't you used to be editor of the Sunday Sport ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 May 2023 12.15pm) No, he failed their credibility test. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 May 23 12.27pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

We disagree. You are talking b0ll0x on this point, as you have done on many others.
didn't you used to be editor of the Sunday Sport ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 May 2023 12.15pm)

No, he failed their credibility test.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 May 23 1.19pm
Originally posted by eaglesdare Well Mr conspiracy theorist. So what if I accept an injection in my gum or not? It's my right to refuse or to have it. This is my point I have the option to reject it or not. If the day comes I will look at the side effects and come to a an informed decision on what side effects there may or may not be. Just like the covid vaccine I came to an informed decision and decided not to get it. Pretty simple really. As I have said previously I don't watch any of those YouTube videos I have heard of them and I am sure the likes of Russel brand makes some excellent points. I do agree with you in the regards that they are there to make money so I don't really watch them. Anyways communist goodnight. Once again, I have never challenged your right to take the decision. All I argue is that it is not well-founded and that there ought to be greater consequences for those who do. You obviously did not watch the video I linked to. It's not from Russell Brand. It debunks his claims and provides well-researched information on why the risk of heart issues is much greater from Covid itself than from any of the vaccines designed to overcome Covid. Therefore not being vaccinated increases your risk and doesn't diminish it. If you are prepared to accept a jab to remove pain, that has known significant, but rare side effects, what is the logic of refusing another that is known to diminish a another rare risk? It's not well-founded. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 May 23 1.19pm

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Well Mr conspiracy theorist. So what if I accept an injection in my gum or not? It's my right to refuse or to have it. This is my point I have the option to reject it or not. If the day comes I will look at the side effects and come to a an informed decision on what side effects there may or may not be.

Just like the covid vaccine I came to an informed decision and decided not to get it. Pretty simple really.

As I have said previously I don't watch any of those YouTube videos I have heard of them and I am sure the likes of Russel brand makes some excellent points. I do agree with you in the regards that they are there to make money so I don't really watch them.

Anyways communist goodnight.

Once again, I have never challenged your right to take the decision. All I argue is that it is not well-founded and that there ought to be greater consequences for those who do.

You obviously did not watch the video I linked to. It's not from Russell Brand. It debunks his claims and provides well-researched information on why the risk of heart issues is much greater from Covid itself than from any of the vaccines designed to overcome Covid. Therefore not being vaccinated increases your risk and doesn't diminish it. If you are prepared to accept a jab to remove pain, that has known significant, but rare side effects, what is the logic of refusing another that is known to diminish a another rare risk? It's not well-founded.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 May 23 1.53pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Once again, being vaccinated does not stop transmission.....despite me being told specifically by a poster on this very website that it did....it was misinformation that actually came from official sources as well, all based on, 'trust me bro'....Having lawyers and editors didn't seem to make a difference...funny that isn't it. Even if not having the vaccine led to a greater chance of hospitalisation amongst the healthy...which is a stretch....no one is stopped from eating cake or boxing or other activities. People have agency to make their own health decisions. You constantly went on about the strain on the NHS, but the reality is that it was the lockdowns....of which you were a supporter....which did that far more than covid....creating a backlog which has directly led to god knows how many deaths now. The Nightingale hospitals built specifically for an increase in covid cases never reached anything near capacity.....before the vaccines nor after. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 May 2023 12.25pm) This was and continues to be, an evolving situation. It was found that the vaccinations did not protect against transmission of the variants, but they do against severe disease, keeping people out of hospital and allowing the NHS to function, albeit with a significant backlog. How bad it would have been without the vaccines doesn't bear thinking about. The Nightingale Hospitals proved to be largely unnecessary, for which we should be thankful, not critical as it proves the other measures taken worked. What we were told evolved too. That's nothing new, or to be ashamed of. Know-it-alls with hindsight can always claim the occasional victory. Even the blind hit the bull every so often. Not getting vaccinated is not like eating cake for the average. If you ate nothing but several kilos of cake every day it would be. Boxing, smoking or taking part in extreme sports are a reasonable analogy. For these, and for those capable of receiving the vaccines who refuse, there ought to be consequences. If they have the right to take that decision then the rest of society has the right to expect that any additional health care costs which result are taken by those making such a choice. If we were on an insurance-based health care system the premiums demanded would be higher for greater risks. Just because we aren't doesn't change the principle. If I don't want to be around the unvaccinated I have a right to know who isn't. The lockdowns reduced the strain on the NHS and enabled it to continue to provide most services. For sure there have been knock on impacts but to claim things would have been better without them, is puerile. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 May 23 1.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The Nightingale hospitals built specifically for an increase in covid cases never reached anything near capacity.....before the vaccines nor after.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 May 2023 12.25pm)

This was and continues to be, an evolving situation. It was found that the vaccinations did not protect against transmission of the variants, but they do against severe disease, keeping people out of hospital and allowing the NHS to function, albeit with a significant backlog. How bad it would have been without the vaccines doesn't bear thinking about. The Nightingale Hospitals proved to be largely unnecessary, for which we should be thankful, not critical as it proves the other measures taken worked. What we were told evolved too. That's nothing new, or to be ashamed of. Know-it-alls with hindsight can always claim the occasional victory. Even the blind hit the bull every so often.

Not getting vaccinated is not like eating cake for the average. If you ate nothing but several kilos of cake every day it would be. Boxing, smoking or taking part in extreme sports are a reasonable analogy. For these, and for those capable of receiving the vaccines who refuse, there ought to be consequences. If they have the right to take that decision then the rest of society has the right to expect that any additional health care costs which result are taken by those making such a choice. If we were on an insurance-based health care system the premiums demanded would be higher for greater risks. Just because we aren't doesn't change the principle. If I don't want to be around the unvaccinated I have a right to know who isn't.

The lockdowns reduced the strain on the NHS and enabled it to continue to provide most services. For sure there have been knock on impacts but to claim things would have been better without them, is puerile.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 May 23 2.01pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly We disagree. You are talking b0ll0x on this point, as you have done on many others. didn't you used to be editor of the Sunday Sport ? Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 May 2023 12.15pm) We certainly disagree, but it isn't me talking the billhooks. You are just repeating the common myths about the way the vaccines were developed. The basic technology was well-researched and tested and the science said that the specifics were not of a kind that presented risk. Nevertheless, extensive widespread testing was done before release and then data was continuously gathered during the roll-out which all confirmed this. Balanced decisions were taken over what presented the greater risk and it was obvious that delay was, by a huge margin. We could have faced a catostrophy had we delayed. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 May 23 2.01pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

We disagree. You are talking b0ll0x on this point, as you have done on many others.
didn't you used to be editor of the Sunday Sport ?

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (14 May 2023 12.15pm)

We certainly disagree, but it isn't me talking the billhooks. You are just repeating the common myths about the way the vaccines were developed. The basic technology was well-researched and tested and the science said that the specifics were not of a kind that presented risk. Nevertheless, extensive widespread testing was done before release and then data was continuously gathered during the roll-out which all confirmed this. Balanced decisions were taken over what presented the greater risk and it was obvious that delay was, by a huge margin. We could have faced a catostrophy had we delayed.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 May 23 2.13pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle Great. And while you're about it make every one go on a 10 mile run everyday to keep fit, eat a government approved diet, ban alcohol and shoot all dogs in case one bites somebody. Those are genuine personal lifestyle choices, which have little or no impact on others when done legally. We encourage better lifestyles. Few believe they ought not be available to be made. Refusing a vaccine is hardly a lifestyle choice. If it impacts the NHS it impacts everyone. If persuasion has failed because of disinformation then other ways must be found. Coercion has been rejected, so I would disincentivise and ostracise in the same way smoking has been. For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.
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Truro Cornwall 14 May 23 2.13pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Great. And while you're about it make every one go on a 10 mile run everyday to keep fit, eat a government approved diet, ban alcohol and shoot all dogs in case one bites somebody.

Those are genuine personal lifestyle choices, which have little or no impact on others when done legally. We encourage better lifestyles. Few believe they ought not be available to be made.

Refusing a vaccine is hardly a lifestyle choice. If it impacts the NHS it impacts everyone. If persuasion has failed because of disinformation then other ways must be found. Coercion has been rejected, so I would disincentivise and ostracise in the same way smoking has been.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 14 May 23 2.47pm
BBS mole and agitator. No substance of their own, just throwing rocks into ponds and stifling discussion. I disengage, I turn the page.
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in a hidey-hole 14 May 23 2.47pm

BBS mole and agitator. No substance of their own, just throwing rocks into ponds and stifling discussion.

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Teddy Eagle 14 May 23 3.42pm
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle Those are genuine personal lifestyle choices, which have little or no impact on others when done legally. We encourage better lifestyles. Few believe they ought not be available to be made. Refusing a vaccine is hardly a lifestyle choice. If it impacts the NHS it impacts everyone. If persuasion has failed because of disinformation then other ways must be found. Coercion has been rejected, so I would disincentivise and ostracise in the same way smoking has been. Obesity and alcolism affect the NHS in much greater numbers.
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14 May 23 3.42pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Those are genuine personal lifestyle choices, which have little or no impact on others when done legally. We encourage better lifestyles. Few believe they ought not be available to be made.

Obesity and alcolism affect the NHS in much greater numbers.

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Stirlingsays 14 May 23 7.06pm
In light of all the misinformation, which apparently turned out to be 'evolving' information.....(even though the vaccine company always knew the vaccine didn't stop transmission....but allowed all the official outlets to state that it did.) But foregoing that.....I kind of like this video take. [Link] Edited by Stirlingsays (14 May 2023 7.06pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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14 May 23 7.06pm

In light of all the misinformation, which apparently turned out to be 'evolving' information.....(even though the vaccine company always knew the vaccine didn't stop transmission....but allowed all the official outlets to state that it did.) But foregoing that.....I kind of like this video take.

[Link]

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 May 2023 7.06pm)

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footythoughts Beckenham 14 May 23 7.11pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly BBS mole and agitator. No substance of their own, just throwing rocks into ponds and stifling discussion. Come on now, you're not that bad!
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Beckenham 14 May 23 7.11pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

BBS mole and agitator. No substance of their own, just throwing rocks into ponds and stifling discussion.

Come on now, you're not that bad!

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