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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Apr 17 10.08am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

How can you say that with any certainty? That's incredibly disrespectful to the electorate. Have you learned nothing from recent electoral history? Just on Sunday neither of the main two parties made it through to the presidential run off in France. Last year the polls got it wrong with alarming regularity and they got it wrong with large margins of error.

This is from the man who believes referees do no wrong so I'm hardly surprised.

If you think the best reason to vote for Tories is that May is a more stable choice then that ignores all of the issues and many of the facts. What's the point in stability if it's a stable slide into the abyss? I'm not advocating instability by any means but just saying May will be a more stable choice is vapid and based on little of any substance.

Where have I said it is the "Best reason" ? There are number of reasons why the electorate should vote for Mrs May and the Conservatives, one of which of course is to keep Corbyn and his 'Merry band' of comrades well away from power. What a dreadful prospect that is and I suspect this will be reflected in the election result.

Edited by Willo (26 Apr 2017 10.08am)

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Apr 17 10.10am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle

How can you say that with any certainty? That's incredibly disrespectful to the electorate. Have you learned nothing from recent electoral history? Just on Sunday neither of the main two parties made it through to the presidential run off in France. Last year the polls got it wrong with alarming regularity and they got it wrong with large margins of error.

This is from the man who believes referees do no wrong so I'm hardly surprised.

If you think the best reason to vote for Tories is that May is a more stable choice then that ignores all of the issues and many of the facts. What's the point in stability if it's a stable slide into the abyss? I'm not advocating instability by any means but just saying May will be a more stable choice is vapid and based on little of any substance.

Please don't spout inaccuracies in an attempt to strengthen your case.
I have consistently stated that referees DO err from time to time - it would be ridiculous of me to spout that they are never wrong.

Edited by Willo (26 Apr 2017 10.24am)

 

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CambridgeEagle Flag Sydenham 26 Apr 17 10.11am Send a Private Message to CambridgeEagle Add CambridgeEagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Where have I said it is the "Best reason" ? There are number of reasons why the electorate should vote for Mrs May and the Conservatives, one of which of course is to keep Corbyn and his 'Merry band' of comrades well away from power. What a dreadful prospect that is and I suspect this will be reflected in the election result.

Edited by Willo (26 Apr 2017 10.08am)


So you ignored my first point then. Just like you ignore incompetence from your beloved "referees".

 

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Apr 17 10.20am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by CambridgeEagle


So you ignored my first point then. Just like you ignore incompetence from your beloved "referees".

I don't have to respond to each and every point raised on here especially if I think it is risible in the extreme, Jerry Paxman. At times 'Dignifying' errant hogwash hogwash is not the best policy.


 

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OknotOK Flag Cockfosters, London 26 Apr 17 11.14am Send a Private Message to OknotOK Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add OknotOK as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

Absolute hogwash of course.
If this 'Post' was a duvet it would be a very low tog.


Interested to know in what way that is 'hogwash'? It is a fact you said Cameron would provide strong stable government (against the 'nightmare' of Ed Milliband propped up by the SNP) and it is certainly a fact that the last 18 months since that election have been amongst the least politically stable in living memory.

So I don't see how you can claim any of it was hogwash.

You might think that May is the better option for government. I might even agree with you. But Serial has you absolutely bang-to-rights over your previous comments.

 


"It's almost like a moral decision. Except not really cos noone is going to find out," Jez, Peep Show

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Kermit8 Flag Hevon 26 Apr 17 11.36am Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

I like Willo but he is obviously one of those snob Tory voters and the thought of contemplating an alternative is anathema. Most middle-class, or aspiring middle-class, Tory supporters are exactly the same in my experience.

Without them The Tory Party would wither and die. So when the Conservative Party do their usual party pieces of targeting those who can least afford it, it all ties in quite nicely. Applaud those in power who undermine the socially-conscious and turn a blind eye to others in power who despise the vulnerable. Self-affirmation, innit.

Bedroom Tax, lowering of Working Tax credits and lack of mental health care provision are just three examples, of many, of their iniquitous policies over the years.

 


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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 26 Apr 17 12.02pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by OknotOK

Interested to know in what way that is 'hogwash'? It is a fact you said Cameron would provide strong stable government (against the 'nightmare' of Ed Milliband propped up by the SNP) and it is certainly a fact that the last 18 months since that election have been amongst the least politically stable in living memory.

So I don't see how you can claim any of it was hogwash.

You might think that May is the better option for government. I might even agree with you. But Serial has you absolutely bang-to-rights over your previous comments.

What on earth are you going on about ?
I fervently disagree with his accusations and we just have a different viewpoint.

You might agree with his view and dismiss mine - you are entitled to your opinion.

 

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npn Flag Crowborough 26 Apr 17 12.03pm Send a Private Message to npn Add npn as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

I like Willo but he is obviously one of those snob Tory voters and the thought of contemplating an alternative is anathema. Most middle-class, or aspiring middle-class, Tory supporters are exactly the same in my experience.

Without them The Tory Party would wither and die. So when the Conservative Party do their usual party pieces of targeting those who can least afford it, it all ties in quite nicely. Applaud those in power who undermine the socially-conscious and turn a blind eye to others in power who despise the vulnerable. Self-affirmation, innit.

Bedroom Tax, lowering of Working Tax credits and lack of mental health care provision are just three examples, of many, of their iniquitous policies over the years.

To be fair, that cuts both ways - you only have to look at some of the posts on here to see that, "Tory cunds" being used as an insult. It's insulting in some eyes just to be a Tory voter. It's less important what they are proposing or doing than the fact it's 'them' proposing it.

For the record, I'm not voting Tory, but you get the point, there are blinkered people on all sides of politics and even more so in their supporters.

 

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Y Ddraig Goch Flag In The Crowd 26 Apr 17 3.27pm Send a Private Message to Y Ddraig Goch Add Y Ddraig Goch as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

I like Willo but he is obviously one of those snob Tory voters and the thought of contemplating an alternative is anathema. Most middle-class, or aspiring middle-class, Tory supporters are exactly the same in my experience.

Without them The Tory Party would wither and die. So when the Conservative Party do their usual party pieces of targeting those who can least afford it, it all ties in quite nicely. Applaud those in power who undermine the socially-conscious and turn a blind eye to others in power who despise the vulnerable. Self-affirmation, innit.

Bedroom Tax, lowering of Working Tax credits and lack of mental health care provision are just three examples, of many, of their iniquitous policies over the years.

I don't think you realise how many working class people do vote Tory and have done certainly since the late 70s. Nothing wrong with being aspirational, it is the contempt shown for people that want to get on that is one of Labour's great undoings. It's not about trying to change our "class" (I am working class), it is about improving our lot. Blair got that and largely addressed it but since then, back to normal.

 


the dignified don't even enter in the game

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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Apr 17 3.30pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

I don't think you realise how many working class people do vote Tory and have done certainly since the late 70s. Nothing wrong with being aspirational, it is the contempt shown for people that want to get on that is one of Labour's great undoings. It's not about trying to change our "class" (I am working class), it is about improving our lot. Blair got that and largely addressed it but since then, back to normal.

Where do you get the idea that Labour show contempt for aspiration? Complete bollocks.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Apr 17 3.34pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Where do you get the idea that Labour show contempt for aspiration? Complete bollocks.

Labour don't like the old or aspirational because if you become old or better off you generally don't vote Labour.
They also prefer you to be in an ethnic minority.

 

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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 26 Apr 17 4.13pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Labour don't like the old or aspirational because if you become old or better off you generally don't vote Labour.
They also prefer you to be in an ethnic minority.

That hasn't been true for a long time still stuck in the past with your prejudices.

 

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