Jeremy Corbyn

This page is no longer updated, and is the old forum. For new topics visit the New HOL forum.

Jeremy Corbyn

Previous Topic | Next Topic

Page 75 of 464 < 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 >

matt_himself Matataland 20 Sep 15 6.01am
More on the ComRes poll: [Link] Tory lead is 12%. Interesting to see UKIP holding firm at 13%, despite all the vilification in the press. The part I find fascinating is the approval ratings of politicians and whether the public actually know who they are. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
Alert a moderator to this post

matt_himself

Matataland 20 Sep 15 6.01am

More on the ComRes poll:

[Link]

Tory lead is 12%. Interesting to see UKIP holding firm at 13%, despite all the vilification in the press.

The part I find fascinating is the approval ratings of politicians and whether the public actually know who they are.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

Alert a moderator to this post

Hoof Hearted 20 Sep 15 8.51am
Quote Sedlescombe at 19 Sep 2015 12.37pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 19 Sep 2015 10.09am Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 5.18pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 5.09pm Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 4.58pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.35am Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.30am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.19am Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.15am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.07am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 10.54am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s* out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever. Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am) Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they? You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am) And children continue to die in Gaza at the moment due to the blockade Israel is placing Palestine under, preventing vital medical and humanitarian aid reaching those in need. Bombing is merely the most visible way in which the Israelis are persecuting their neighbours. The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons. All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted. That doesn't explain away similar actions by the Israeli Government towards the Palestinian people in The West Bank though. Nor the hundreds of other state crimes committed before Hamas even existed. Collectively punishing a people for the deeds of a minority is always done by sh1theads. Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough. Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty You had to be there.......... We've done that topic to death. I am not reopening Hillsborough I am sure it was done to death, I want you to tell me why the "scousers are guilty" And we don't have "had to be there" because we know two things 1. The stadium didn't have a safety certificate and 2. The policeman in charge on the day said he wasn't up to the job and hadn't been briefed. It was him that opened the gates at the lepping lane end So again why are you having a pop at the families of the bereaved who are entirely innocent. I am guessing you are not following the inquiry As usual over-reaction.... You know I wasn't having a go at the families or the victims. I said the Scousers weren't entirely blameless, you said guilty. Despite what the latest inquiry says, a lot of Scousers turned up without tickets and a lot of them climbed in. They were also drunk too... one local publican testified as such.Palestinians have a part to play in Gaza. I'm not going over this again - you can "call me out" all you like. You had a perfectly fair point to make that some people take the attitude that Palestine can do no wrong (the same is true of Israels support but they are a country surrounded by people who don't just want to defeat them but wipe them off the face of the earth. However making that point wasn't enough you had to make the entirely irrelevant link to Hillsborough. To say they are not "blameless" is to say they are in part to blame. I rather think the family of the victims would feel victimized by what you said. If you turn up to a game without a ticket why do you get into the stadium? Because the Policeman in charge opened the gates. Similarly it is interesting to note that the people selling the alcohol to drunks are being used as a source of information. This is irrelevant. doubtless the same is true at Selhurst Park every other stadium. So what? On its own it has no impact on the number of people died but smacks of the way the police tried to monster the victims straight after the event. Briefing papers with lies that the Liverpool fans were robbing the dead bodies and other s*. Also more significant was the fact that the stadium had no safety certificate Maybe I am over-reacting ..but that could have been any one of us that day. A few things to consider about Hillsborough.... There is video evidence of Scousers climbing walls and turnstiles to get in before the gates were open. Why go to a match without a valid ticket? The gates were eventually opened to relieve the disorder in the narrow lanes outside the ground which was being fuelled by those who had left it very late to get in to the ground because they had been in the pub getting bladdered and also those without tickets. Publicans are as much a lawful citizen as you or I and entitled to give information about what they saw that day. We all know that it has taken decades to get more of the truth that day, but I believe it would give this latest inquiry more credence if it acknowledged that the behaviour of some of the Liverpool fans had a bearing on the outcome. Yes the stadium was badly designed, yes the police were badly briefed and led by Duckenfield, yes the FA should have delayed KO, etc etc., but without the disorder/chaos caused by their own fans the 96 would be alive today. I believe that linking Hillsborough to Gaza was valid... two situations where most people wrongly absolve the participants of any blame when common sense dictates that they must have played some part in their own downfall.
Alert a moderator to this post

Hoof Hearted 20 Sep 15 8.51am

Quote Sedlescombe at 19 Sep 2015 12.37pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 19 Sep 2015 10.09am

Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 5.18pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 5.09pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 4.58pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.35am

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.30am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.19am

Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.15am

Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.07am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 10.54am

Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am

Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s*** out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever.

Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say.

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am)

Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they?

You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing.

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am)

And children continue to die in Gaza at the moment due to the blockade Israel is placing Palestine under, preventing vital medical and humanitarian aid reaching those in need. Bombing is merely the most visible way in which the Israelis are persecuting their neighbours.

The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons.

All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted.

That doesn't explain away similar actions by the Israeli Government towards the Palestinian people in The West Bank though. Nor the hundreds of other state crimes committed before Hamas even existed. Collectively punishing a people for the deeds of a minority is always done by sh1theads.

Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough.

Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty

You had to be there..........

We've done that topic to death.

I am not reopening Hillsborough I am sure it was done to death, I want you to tell me why the "scousers are guilty"

And we don't have "had to be there" because we know two things

1. The stadium didn't have a safety certificate and
2. The policeman in charge on the day said he wasn't up to the job and hadn't been briefed. It was him that opened the gates at the lepping lane end

So again why are you having a pop at the families of the bereaved who are entirely innocent.

I am guessing you are not following the inquiry

As usual over-reaction.... You know I wasn't having a go at the families or the victims. I said the Scousers weren't entirely blameless, you said guilty.

Despite what the latest inquiry says, a lot of Scousers turned up without tickets and a lot of them climbed in. They were also drunk too... one local publican testified as such.Palestinians have a part to play in Gaza.

I'm not going over this again - you can "call me out" all you like.

You had a perfectly fair point to make that some people take the attitude that Palestine can do no wrong (the same is true of Israels support but they are a country surrounded by people who don't just want to defeat them but wipe them off the face of the earth. However making that point wasn't enough you had to make the entirely irrelevant link to Hillsborough.

To say they are not "blameless" is to say they are in part to blame. I rather think the family of the victims would feel victimized by what you said.

If you turn up to a game without a ticket why do you get into the stadium? Because the Policeman in charge opened the gates. Similarly it is interesting to note that the people selling the alcohol to drunks are being used as a source of information. This is irrelevant. doubtless the same is true at Selhurst Park every other stadium. So what? On its own it has no impact on the number of people died but smacks of the way the police tried to monster the victims straight after the event. Briefing papers with lies that the Liverpool fans were robbing the dead bodies and other s***. Also more significant was the fact that the stadium had no safety certificate

Maybe I am over-reacting ..but that could have been any one of us that day.

A few things to consider about Hillsborough....

There is video evidence of Scousers climbing walls and turnstiles to get in before the gates were open. Why go to a match without a valid ticket?
The gates were eventually opened to relieve the disorder in the narrow lanes outside the ground which was being fuelled by those who had left it very late to get in to the ground because they had been in the pub getting bladdered and also those without tickets.
Publicans are as much a lawful citizen as you or I and entitled to give information about what they saw that day.

We all know that it has taken decades to get more of the truth that day, but I believe it would give this latest inquiry more credence if it acknowledged that the behaviour of some of the Liverpool fans had a bearing on the outcome. Yes the stadium was badly designed, yes the police were badly briefed and led by Duckenfield, yes the FA should have delayed KO, etc etc., but without the disorder/chaos caused by their own fans the 96 would be alive today.

I believe that linking Hillsborough to Gaza was valid... two situations where most people wrongly absolve the participants of any blame when common sense dictates that they must have played some part in their own downfall.

Alert a moderator to this post

Hoof Hearted 20 Sep 15 8.58am
Quote Sedlescombe at 19 Sep 2015 8.25am Quote Stuk at 18 Sep 2015 5.35pm Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 5.18pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 5.09pm Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 4.58pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.35am Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.30am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.19am Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.15am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.07am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 10.54am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s* out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever. Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am) Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they? You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am) And children continue to die in Gaza at the moment due to the blockade Israel is placing Palestine under, preventing vital medical and humanitarian aid reaching those in need. Bombing is merely the most visible way in which the Israelis are persecuting their neighbours. The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons. All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted. That doesn't explain away similar actions by the Israeli Government towards the Palestinian people in The West Bank though. Nor the hundreds of other state crimes committed before Hamas even existed. Collectively punishing a people for the deeds of a minority is always done by sh1theads. Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough. Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty You had to be there.......... We've done that topic to death. I am not reopening Hillsborough I am sure it was done to death, I want you to tell me why the "scousers are guilty"** And we don't have "had to be there" because we know two things 1. The stadium didn't have a safety certificate and 2. The policeman in charge on the day said he wasn't up to the job and hadn't been briefed. It was him that opened the gates at the lepping lane end So again why are you having a pop at the families of the bereaved who are entirely innocent. I am guessing you are not following the inquiry Err, you wrote that. No hoof wrote that making a tenuous link to Palestinians being "Guilty", read the thred. I am calling him out on it. That could have been Palace in the Semi Final I've only just seen this.... Stuk was right. I did not say the Scousers were guilty, you said that. It seems to be that at that point it was you that needed to "read the thread". I hope you apologise to Stuk.
Alert a moderator to this post

Hoof Hearted 20 Sep 15 8.58am

Quote Sedlescombe at 19 Sep 2015 8.25am

Quote Stuk at 18 Sep 2015 5.35pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 5.18pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 5.09pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 4.58pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.35am

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.30am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.19am

Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.15am

Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.07am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 10.54am

Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am

Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say.

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am)

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am)

The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons.

All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted.

Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough.

Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty

You had to be there..........

We've done that topic to death.

I am not reopening Hillsborough I am sure it was done to death, I want you to tell me why the "scousers are guilty"

And we don't have "had to be there" because we know two things

So again why are you having a pop at the families of the bereaved who are entirely innocent.

I am guessing you are not following the inquiry

Err, you wrote that.

No hoof wrote that making a tenuous link to Palestinians being "Guilty", read the thred. I am calling him out on it. That could have been Palace in the Semi Final

I've only just seen this....

Stuk was right.

I did not say the Scousers were guilty, you said that.

It seems to be that at that point it was you that needed to "read the thread".

I hope you apologise to Stuk.

Alert a moderator to this post

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Sep 15 8.58am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 Sep 2015 8.51am Quote Sedlescombe at 19 Sep 2015 12.37pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 19 Sep 2015 10.09am Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 5.18pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 5.09pm Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 4.58pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.35am Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.30am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.19am Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.15am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.07am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 10.54am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s* out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever. Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am) Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they? You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am) And children continue to die in Gaza at the moment due to the blockade Israel is placing Palestine under, preventing vital medical and humanitarian aid reaching those in need. Bombing is merely the most visible way in which the Israelis are persecuting their neighbours. The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons. All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted. That doesn't explain away similar actions by the Israeli Government towards the Palestinian people in The West Bank though. Nor the hundreds of other state crimes committed before Hamas even existed. Collectively punishing a people for the deeds of a minority is always done by sh1theads. Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough. Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty You had to be there.......... We've done that topic to death. I am not reopening Hillsborough I am sure it was done to death, I want you to tell me why the "scousers are guilty" And we don't have "had to be there" because we know two things 1. The stadium didn't have a safety certificate and 2. The policeman in charge on the day said he wasn't up to the job and hadn't been briefed. It was him that opened the gates at the lepping lane end So again why are you having a pop at the families of the bereaved who are entirely innocent. I am guessing you are not following the inquiry As usual over-reaction.... You know I wasn't having a go at the families or the victims. I said the Scousers weren't entirely blameless, you said guilty. Despite what the latest inquiry says, a lot of Scousers turned up without tickets and a lot of them climbed in. They were also drunk too... one local publican testified as such.Palestinians have a part to play in Gaza. I'm not going over this again - you can "call me out" all you like. You had a perfectly fair point to make that some people take the attitude that Palestine can do no wrong (the same is true of Israels support but they are a country surrounded by people who don't just want to defeat them but wipe them off the face of the earth. However making that point wasn't enough you had to make the entirely irrelevant link to Hillsborough. To say they are not "blameless" is to say they are in part to blame. I rather think the family of the victims would feel victimized by what you said. If you turn up to a game without a ticket why do you get into the stadium? Because the Policeman in charge opened the gates. Similarly it is interesting to note that the people selling the alcohol to drunks are being used as a source of information. This is irrelevant. doubtless the same is true at Selhurst Park every other stadium. So what? On its own it has no impact on the number of people died but smacks of the way the police tried to monster the victims straight after the event. Briefing papers with lies that the Liverpool fans were robbing the dead bodies and other s*. Also more significant was the fact that the stadium had no safety certificate Maybe I am over-reacting ..but that could have been any one of us that day. A few things to consider about Hillsborough.... There is video evidence of Scousers climbing walls and turnstiles to get in before the gates were open. Why go to a match without a valid ticket? The gates were eventually opened to relieve the disorder in the narrow lanes outside the ground which was being fuelled by those who had left it very late to get in to the ground because they had been in the pub getting bladdered and also those without tickets. Publicans are as much a lawful citizen as you or I and entitled to give information about what they saw that day. We all know that it has taken decades to get more of the truth that day, but I believe it would give this latest inquiry more credence if it acknowledged that the behaviour of some of the Liverpool fans had a bearing on the outcome. Yes the stadium was badly designed, yes the police were badly briefed and led by Duckenfield, yes the FA should have delayed KO, etc etc., but without the disorder/chaos caused by their own fans the 96 would be alive today. I believe that linking Hillsborough to Gaza was valid... two situations where most people wrongly absolve the participants of any blame when common sense dictates that they must have played some part in their own downfall. You're right. It's the Palestinians fault that Israel are taking their land by force.
Alert a moderator to this post

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 Sep 15 8.58am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 Sep 2015 8.51am

Quote Sedlescombe at 19 Sep 2015 12.37pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 19 Sep 2015 10.09am

Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 5.18pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 5.09pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 4.58pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.35am

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.30am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.19am

Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.15am

Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.07am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 10.54am

Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am

Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say.

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am)

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am)

The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons.

All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted.

Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough.

Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty

You had to be there..........

We've done that topic to death.

I am not reopening Hillsborough I am sure it was done to death, I want you to tell me why the "scousers are guilty"

And we don't have "had to be there" because we know two things

So again why are you having a pop at the families of the bereaved who are entirely innocent.

I am guessing you are not following the inquiry

As usual over-reaction.... You know I wasn't having a go at the families or the victims. I said the Scousers weren't entirely blameless, you said guilty.

I'm not going over this again - you can "call me out" all you like.

To say they are not "blameless" is to say they are in part to blame. I rather think the family of the victims would feel victimized by what you said.

Maybe I am over-reacting ..but that could have been any one of us that day.

A few things to consider about Hillsborough....

You're right. It's the Palestinians fault that Israel are taking their land by force.

Alert a moderator to this post

Hoof Hearted 20 Sep 15 9.08am
Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 8.58am Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 Sep 2015 8.51am Quote Sedlescombe at 19 Sep 2015 12.37pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 19 Sep 2015 10.09am Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 5.18pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 5.09pm Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 4.58pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.35am Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.30am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.19am Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.15am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.07am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 10.54am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s* out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever. Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am) Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they? You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am) And children continue to die in Gaza at the moment due to the blockade Israel is placing Palestine under, preventing vital medical and humanitarian aid reaching those in need. Bombing is merely the most visible way in which the Israelis are persecuting their neighbours. The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons. All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted. That doesn't explain away similar actions by the Israeli Government towards the Palestinian people in The West Bank though. Nor the hundreds of other state crimes committed before Hamas even existed. Collectively punishing a people for the deeds of a minority is always done by sh1theads. Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough. Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty You had to be there.......... We've done that topic to death. I am not reopening Hillsborough I am sure it was done to death, I want you to tell me why the "scousers are guilty" And we don't have "had to be there" because we know two things 1. The stadium didn't have a safety certificate and 2. The policeman in charge on the day said he wasn't up to the job and hadn't been briefed. It was him that opened the gates at the lepping lane end So again why are you having a pop at the families of the bereaved who are entirely innocent. I am guessing you are not following the inquiry As usual over-reaction.... You know I wasn't having a go at the families or the victims. I said the Scousers weren't entirely blameless, you said guilty. Despite what the latest inquiry says, a lot of Scousers turned up without tickets and a lot of them climbed in. They were also drunk too... one local publican testified as such.Palestinians have a part to play in Gaza. I'm not going over this again - you can "call me out" all you like. You had a perfectly fair point to make that some people take the attitude that Palestine can do no wrong (the same is true of Israels support but they are a country surrounded by people who don't just want to defeat them but wipe them off the face of the earth. However making that point wasn't enough you had to make the entirely irrelevant link to Hillsborough. To say they are not "blameless" is to say they are in part to blame. I rather think the family of the victims would feel victimized by what you said. If you turn up to a game without a ticket why do you get into the stadium? Because the Policeman in charge opened the gates. Similarly it is interesting to note that the people selling the alcohol to drunks are being used as a source of information. This is irrelevant. doubtless the same is true at Selhurst Park every other stadium. So what? On its own it has no impact on the number of people died but smacks of the way the police tried to monster the victims straight after the event. Briefing papers with lies that the Liverpool fans were robbing the dead bodies and other s*. Also more significant was the fact that the stadium had no safety certificate Maybe I am over-reacting ..but that could have been any one of us that day. A few things to consider about Hillsborough.... There is video evidence of Scousers climbing walls and turnstiles to get in before the gates were open. Why go to a match without a valid ticket? The gates were eventually opened to relieve the disorder in the narrow lanes outside the ground which was being fuelled by those who had left it very late to get in to the ground because they had been in the pub getting bladdered and also those without tickets. Publicans are as much a lawful citizen as you or I and entitled to give information about what they saw that day. We all know that it has taken decades to get more of the truth that day, but I believe it would give this latest inquiry more credence if it acknowledged that the behaviour of some of the Liverpool fans had a bearing on the outcome. Yes the stadium was badly designed, yes the police were badly briefed and led by Duckenfield, yes the FA should have delayed KO, etc etc., but without the disorder/chaos caused by their own fans the 96 would be alive today. I believe that linking Hillsborough to Gaza was valid... two situations where most people wrongly absolve the participants of any blame when common sense dictates that they must have played some part in their own downfall. You're right. It's the Palestinians fault that Israel are taking their land by force. Come on nick... you know as well as I do that the Israel/Palestine conflict isn't that simple. Being flippant with half truths doesn't help. There have been attacks on Israel ever since it was formed and a full scale war in 1967. If you weigh it all up I still believe that Israel is the injured party despite them taking liberties with Palestinian "land" (which to me hardly looks worth fighting over). Both sides need a mediator but how do you mediate when the Arabs have vowed never to accept Israel which has a UN sanction for its existence?
Alert a moderator to this post

Hoof Hearted 20 Sep 15 9.08am

Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 8.58am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 Sep 2015 8.51am

Quote Sedlescombe at 19 Sep 2015 12.37pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 19 Sep 2015 10.09am

Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 5.18pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 5.09pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 4.58pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.35am

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.30am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.19am

Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.15am

Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.07am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 10.54am

Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am

Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say.

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am)

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am)

The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons.

All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted.

Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough.

Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty

You had to be there..........

We've done that topic to death.

I am not reopening Hillsborough I am sure it was done to death, I want you to tell me why the "scousers are guilty"

And we don't have "had to be there" because we know two things

So again why are you having a pop at the families of the bereaved who are entirely innocent.

I am guessing you are not following the inquiry

As usual over-reaction.... You know I wasn't having a go at the families or the victims. I said the Scousers weren't entirely blameless, you said guilty.

I'm not going over this again - you can "call me out" all you like.

To say they are not "blameless" is to say they are in part to blame. I rather think the family of the victims would feel victimized by what you said.

Maybe I am over-reacting ..but that could have been any one of us that day.

A few things to consider about Hillsborough....

You're right. It's the Palestinians fault that Israel are taking their land by force.

Come on nick... you know as well as I do that the Israel/Palestine conflict isn't that simple. Being flippant with half truths doesn't help.

There have been attacks on Israel ever since it was formed and a full scale war in 1967.
If you weigh it all up I still believe that Israel is the injured party despite them taking liberties with Palestinian "land" (which to me hardly looks worth fighting over).

Both sides need a mediator but how do you mediate when the Arabs have vowed never to accept Israel which has a UN sanction for its existence?

Alert a moderator to this post

susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 20 Sep 15 9.23am
Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 Sep 2015 9.08am Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 8.58am Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 Sep 2015 8.51am Quote Sedlescombe at 19 Sep 2015 12.37pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 19 Sep 2015 10.09am Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 5.18pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 5.09pm Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 4.58pm Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.35am Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.30am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.19am Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.15am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.07am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 10.54am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s* out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever. Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am) Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they? You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am) And children continue to die in Gaza at the moment due to the blockade Israel is placing Palestine under, preventing vital medical and humanitarian aid reaching those in need. Bombing is merely the most visible way in which the Israelis are persecuting their neighbours. The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons. All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted. That doesn't explain away similar actions by the Israeli Government towards the Palestinian people in The West Bank though. Nor the hundreds of other state crimes committed before Hamas even existed. Collectively punishing a people for the deeds of a minority is always done by sh1theads. Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough. Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty You had to be there.......... We've done that topic to death. I am not reopening Hillsborough I am sure it was done to death, I want you to tell me why the "scousers are guilty" And we don't have "had to be there" because we know two things 1. The stadium didn't have a safety certificate and 2. The policeman in charge on the day said he wasn't up to the job and hadn't been briefed. It was him that opened the gates at the lepping lane end So again why are you having a pop at the families of the bereaved who are entirely innocent. I am guessing you are not following the inquiry As usual over-reaction.... You know I wasn't having a go at the families or the victims. I said the Scousers weren't entirely blameless, you said guilty. Despite what the latest inquiry says, a lot of Scousers turned up without tickets and a lot of them climbed in. They were also drunk too... one local publican testified as such.Palestinians have a part to play in Gaza. I'm not going over this again - you can "call me out" all you like. You had a perfectly fair point to make that some people take the attitude that Palestine can do no wrong (the same is true of Israels support but they are a country surrounded by people who don't just want to defeat them but wipe them off the face of the earth. However making that point wasn't enough you had to make the entirely irrelevant link to Hillsborough. To say they are not "blameless" is to say they are in part to blame. I rather think the family of the victims would feel victimized by what you said. If you turn up to a game without a ticket why do you get into the stadium? Because the Policeman in charge opened the gates. Similarly it is interesting to note that the people selling the alcohol to drunks are being used as a source of information. This is irrelevant. doubtless the same is true at Selhurst Park every other stadium. So what? On its own it has no impact on the number of people died but smacks of the way the police tried to monster the victims straight after the event. Briefing papers with lies that the Liverpool fans were robbing the dead bodies and other s*. Also more significant was the fact that the stadium had no safety certificate Maybe I am over-reacting ..but that could have been any one of us that day. A few things to consider about Hillsborough.... There is video evidence of Scousers climbing walls and turnstiles to get in before the gates were open. Why go to a match without a valid ticket? The gates were eventually opened to relieve the disorder in the narrow lanes outside the ground which was being fuelled by those who had left it very late to get in to the ground because they had been in the pub getting bladdered and also those without tickets. Publicans are as much a lawful citizen as you or I and entitled to give information about what they saw that day. We all know that it has taken decades to get more of the truth that day, but I believe it would give this latest inquiry more credence if it acknowledged that the behaviour of some of the Liverpool fans had a bearing on the outcome. Yes the stadium was badly designed, yes the police were badly briefed and led by Duckenfield, yes the FA should have delayed KO, etc etc., but without the disorder/chaos caused by their own fans the 96 would be alive today. I believe that linking Hillsborough to Gaza was valid... two situations where most people wrongly absolve the participants of any blame when common sense dictates that they must have played some part in their own downfall. You're right. It's the Palestinians fault that Israel are taking their land by force. Come on nick... you know as well as I do that the Israel/Palestine conflict isn't that simple. Being flippant with half truths doesn't help. There have been attacks on Israel ever since it was formed and a full scale war in 1967. If you weigh it all up I still believe that Israel is the injured party despite them taking liberties with Palestinian "land" (which to me hardly looks worth fighting over). Both sides need a mediator but how do you mediate when the Arabs have vowed never to accept Israel which has a UN sanction for its existence? And we are not alone in not recognising Palestine: UN member states No diplomatic recognition for the State of Palestine Andorra Samoa Armenia Singapore Australia Slovenia Austria Soloman Islands Bahamas Spain Belgium Switzerland Cameroon Tonga Canada United Kingdom Colombia USA Croatia Malta Denmark Eritrea Estonia Fiji Finland France Greece Ireland Italy Jamaica Japan Kiribat South Korea Latvia Liechtenstein Lithuania Luxembourg Macedonia Mexico Federal States of Micronesian Moldova Myanmar Nauru Netherlands New Zealand Norway Panama Portugal Saint Kitts and Nevis Looks like Palestine had better change its views and get round the table and sort it out, but I cannot really see it happening with Hamas being in the position they are and the continued bombing. Israel has the right to protect its people no matter what way we all look at it. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
Alert a moderator to this post

susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 20 Sep 15 9.23am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 Sep 2015 9.08am

Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 8.58am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 20 Sep 2015 8.51am

Quote Sedlescombe at 19 Sep 2015 12.37pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 19 Sep 2015 10.09am

Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 5.18pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 5.09pm

Quote Sedlescombe at 18 Sep 2015 4.58pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.35am

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.30am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.19am

Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.15am

Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.07am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 10.54am

Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am

Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say.

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am)

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am)

The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons.

All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted.

Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough.

Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty

You had to be there..........

We've done that topic to death.

I am not reopening Hillsborough I am sure it was done to death, I want you to tell me why the "scousers are guilty"

And we don't have "had to be there" because we know two things

So again why are you having a pop at the families of the bereaved who are entirely innocent.

I am guessing you are not following the inquiry

As usual over-reaction.... You know I wasn't having a go at the families or the victims. I said the Scousers weren't entirely blameless, you said guilty.

I'm not going over this again - you can "call me out" all you like.

To say they are not "blameless" is to say they are in part to blame. I rather think the family of the victims would feel victimized by what you said.

Maybe I am over-reacting ..but that could have been any one of us that day.

A few things to consider about Hillsborough....

You're right. It's the Palestinians fault that Israel are taking their land by force.

Both sides need a mediator but how do you mediate when the Arabs have vowed never to accept Israel which has a UN sanction for its existence?

And we are not alone in not recognising Palestine:

UN member states No diplomatic recognition for the State of Palestine

Andorra Samoa
Armenia Singapore
Australia Slovenia
Austria Soloman Islands
Bahamas Spain
Belgium Switzerland
Cameroon Tonga
Canada United Kingdom
Colombia USA
Croatia Malta
Denmark
Eritrea
Estonia
Fiji
Finland
France
Greece
Ireland
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Kiribat
South Korea
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Macedonia
Mexico
Federal States of Micronesian
Moldova
Myanmar
Nauru
Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Panama
Portugal
Saint Kitts and Nevis

Looks like Palestine had better change its views and get round the table and sort it out, but I cannot really see it happening with Hamas being in the position they are and the continued bombing. Israel has the right to protect its people no matter what way we all look at it.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

Alert a moderator to this post

Hrolf The Ganger 20 Sep 15 12.02pm
Historically, the Israelis have no business being in the so called promised land. The whole premise is based on a questionable Biblical story written by Jews. They have systematically stolen land from the Palestinians since the end of WW2. We must all take responsibility for this being allowed to happen. It is ironic that the Israelis repaid us for our compliance by bombing British citizens in Israel because we wanted to restrict numbers arriving. Perhaps a lesson for the present. The flip side is that Palestine is aligned with Islamic terrorists. Not a good position if you want help from the West. particularly the U.S who has a strong Jewish lobby. Lesson over. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Sep 2015 12.04pm)
Alert a moderator to this post

Hrolf The Ganger

20 Sep 15 12.02pm

Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger

Historically, the Israelis have no business being in the so called promised land. The whole premise is based on a questionable Biblical story written by Jews.

They have systematically stolen land from the Palestinians since the end of WW2. We must all take responsibility for this being allowed to happen.

It is ironic that the Israelis repaid us for our compliance by bombing British citizens in Israel because we wanted to restrict numbers arriving. Perhaps a lesson for the present.

The flip side is that Palestine is aligned with Islamic terrorists. Not a good position if you want help from the West. particularly the U.S who has a strong Jewish lobby.

Lesson over.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (20 Sep 2015 12.04pm)

Alert a moderator to this post

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Sep 15 12.32pm
What is apparent this week is that the press are s*** scared of a labour revival under Corbyn. They need to be careful not to use all of their slurs too quickly or they will run out .
Alert a moderator to this post

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 Sep 15 12.32pm

What is apparent this week is that the press are s*** scared of a labour revival under Corbyn.

They need to be careful not to use all of their slurs too quickly or they will run out .

Alert a moderator to this post

npn Crowborough 20 Sep 15 12.40pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 12.32pm What is apparent this week is that the press are s*** scared of a labour revival under Corbyn. They need to be careful not to use all of their slurs too quickly or they will run out . I'm no staunch Tory (in fact last time out I voted against them), but I genuinely have yet to meet a Tory (and I know many) who is the least bit frightened of Corbyn's leadership. Why you believe it may frighten the press is beyond me.
Alert a moderator to this post

npn

Crowborough 20 Sep 15 12.40pm

Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 12.32pm

What is apparent this week is that the press are s*** scared of a labour revival under Corbyn.

They need to be careful not to use all of their slurs too quickly or they will run out .

I'm no staunch Tory (in fact last time out I voted against them), but I genuinely have yet to meet a Tory (and I know many) who is the least bit frightened of Corbyn's leadership. Why you believe it may frighten the press is beyond me.

Alert a moderator to this post

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Sep 15 12.43pm
Quote npn at 20 Sep 2015 12.40pm Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 12.32pm What is apparent this week is that the press are s*** scared of a labour revival under Corbyn. They need to be careful not to use all of their slurs too quickly or they will run out . I'm no staunch Tory (in fact last time out I voted against them), but I genuinely have yet to meet a Tory (and I know many) who is the least bit frightened of Corbyn's leadership. Why you believe it may frighten the press is beyond me. If they weren't worried, they wouldn't be doing such a hatchet job on him.
Alert a moderator to this post

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 Sep 15 12.43pm

Quote npn at 20 Sep 2015 12.40pm

Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 12.32pm

What is apparent this week is that the press are s*** scared of a labour revival under Corbyn.

They need to be careful not to use all of their slurs too quickly or they will run out .

If they weren't worried, they wouldn't be doing such a hatchet job on him.

Alert a moderator to this post

npn Crowborough 20 Sep 15 12.45pm
Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 12.43pm Quote npn at 20 Sep 2015 12.40pm Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 12.32pm What is apparent this week is that the press are s*** scared of a labour revival under Corbyn. They need to be careful not to use all of their slurs too quickly or they will run out . I'm no staunch Tory (in fact last time out I voted against them), but I genuinely have yet to meet a Tory (and I know many) who is the least bit frightened of Corbyn's leadership. Why you believe it may frighten the press is beyond me. If they weren't worried, they wouldn't be doing such a hatchet job on him. So do you believe they were worried by Farage? Edited by npn (20 Sep 2015 12.46pm)
Alert a moderator to this post

npn

Crowborough 20 Sep 15 12.45pm

Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 12.43pm

Quote npn at 20 Sep 2015 12.40pm

Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 12.32pm

What is apparent this week is that the press are s*** scared of a labour revival under Corbyn.

They need to be careful not to use all of their slurs too quickly or they will run out .

If they weren't worried, they wouldn't be doing such a hatchet job on him.

So do you believe they were worried by Farage?

Edited by npn (20 Sep 2015 12.46pm)

Alert a moderator to this post

nickgusset Shizzlehurst 20 Sep 15 12.57pm
Quote npn at 20 Sep 2015 12.45pm Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 12.43pm Quote npn at 20 Sep 2015 12.40pm Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 12.32pm What is apparent this week is that the press are s*** scared of a labour revival under Corbyn. They need to be careful not to use all of their slurs too quickly or they will run out . I'm no staunch Tory (in fact last time out I voted against them), but I genuinely have yet to meet a Tory (and I know many) who is the least bit frightened of Corbyn's leadership. Why you believe it may frighten the press is beyond me. If they weren't worried, they wouldn't be doing such a hatchet job on him. So do you believe they were worried by Farage? Edited by npn (20 Sep 2015 12.46pm) I do. Lets face it, 75% of the media (at least) are tory.
Alert a moderator to this post

nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 20 Sep 15 12.57pm

Quote npn at 20 Sep 2015 12.45pm

Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 12.43pm

Quote npn at 20 Sep 2015 12.40pm

Quote nickgusset at 20 Sep 2015 12.32pm

What is apparent this week is that the press are s*** scared of a labour revival under Corbyn.

They need to be careful not to use all of their slurs too quickly or they will run out .

If they weren't worried, they wouldn't be doing such a hatchet job on him.

So do you believe they were worried by Farage?

Edited by npn (20 Sep 2015 12.46pm)

I do. Lets face it, 75% of the media (at least) are tory.

Alert a moderator to this post

Page 75 of 464 < 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 >

Previous Topic | Next Topic

Crystal Palace FC Supporters' Website - The Holmesdale Online

Jeremy Corbyn

Site Map

New users

Existing users

Sponsors