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Sir James Hird Mount Martha 02 Dec 20 8.09pm | |
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Sorry Buddy, not a boomer, pre boomer is the trendy name I believe.
Their generation stole the very futures of the youth and then cry out in distress.....In 69 we had the Hong Kong flu which killed a million worldwide...back then I'd suggest that people 'weren't girlies' and had a more realistic view of life. The boomers have had the best of everything and in kind raised the most incredibly selfish generation in their own image....who now steal even more from the next generation. I obviously wish you good health, however....there is an old Greek proverb, 'society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.'....remember that when you witness the poverty and increased starvation amongst the most vulnerable that this idiocy will cause over the coming years......because instead of care for them the old have robbed the unborn. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Dec 2020 8.06am)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Dec 20 8.34pm | |
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I’m glad I found this professor talking on LBC. Sometimes what seems like the simplest or the silliest questions don’t get asked. For example, face coverings only working one way when those people arguing in favour of loose face coverings go from aerosol transmission to droplets and back to aerosols again. The caller isn’t the same one I heard the extremely unsure answer to but the same question is asked by the professor on 1:45. Radio caller: ‘Once you’ve had the vaccine can it prevent carrying Covid or just prevent symptoms?’ ‘That’s a good question. We don’t know for sure that you might be a carrier but not get the disease. I personally think it’s pretty likely that if you’re protected you’re protected and you won’t get infected and it will be what we call ‘sterilised immunity.’ But there is a chance that some people might get infected at a very low level and then secrete the virus and so be infectious. But this will be looked at very carefully as the vaccine is rolled out and it should become clear quite quickly.’ Radio host: ‘And that also speaks to the important of numbers. The number of us allowing ourselves to be vaccinated because if somebody is leaking the virus out then you are protected?’ ‘Yes exactly. The more people vaccinated the quicker this going to go away actually.’ Not sure on his last answer. Maybe he’s correct, maybe he isn’t. The whole world will need to get to immunity maybe? But I raised the whole point because the short timeframe and small numbers tested suggests they probably aren’t sure, and it looks as if they aren’t. As you’d expect these vaccines will still be in a trial phase when they’re rolled out. They’re in trial for 2 years for side effects from people participating in studies and it sounds like they’ll be monitoring the efficacy in preventing infections from people vaccinated as well. Maybe DanH might understand the point I was making. Should probably nod at BBC News instead.
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Stirlingsays 02 Dec 20 8.41pm | |
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Originally posted by Sir James Hird
Sorry Buddy, not a boomer, pre boomer is the trendy name I believe. You have quite a folksy style of writing that's quite pleasing to read with some points I'd concur with. So while we perhaps differ on covid and just how damaging the response to it has been I wish you well. Stick some prawns on the barbecue this Christmas. Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Dec 2020 8.44pm)
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 02 Dec 20 8.42pm | |
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Originally posted by Sir James Hird
Sorry Buddy, not a boomer, pre boomer is the trendy name I believe. There aren’t many adults from WWII years left unfortunately and the people most affected by all this will experience similar to post WWII. It can actually be worse as there’ll be no ‘in this together’ or ‘war spirit’ or everyone under rations. There will be plenty seriously damaged by all this while others won’t suffer any consequences whatsoever.
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Eaglecoops CR3 02 Dec 20 11.36pm | |
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Originally posted by Sir James Hird
Sorry Buddy, not a boomer, pre boomer is the trendy name I believe.
Their generation stole the very futures of the youth and then cry out in distress.....In 69 we had the Hong Kong flu which killed a million worldwide...back then I'd suggest that people 'weren't girlies' and had a more realistic view of life. The boomers have had the best of everything and in kind raised the most incredibly selfish generation in their own image....who now steal even more from the next generation. I obviously wish you good health, however....there is an old Greek proverb, 'society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.'....remember that when you witness the poverty and increased starvation amongst the most vulnerable that this idiocy will cause over the coming years......because instead of care for them the old have robbed the unborn. Edited by Stirlingsays (01 Dec 2020 8.06am) My Dad lived through WWII, he is 92 now. I’ve never seen him complain about anything more than the current lockdown situation. Our last telephone conversation, he said, “even during the war you could get a pint of beer.” He is more depressed about not being able to have a half with his mates at the golf club than anything else. He has a right to complain as does everyone else and he doesn’t know how many more opportunities he has to have a drink with his mates so lockdown can go fcuk itself as far as I’m concerned.
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BlueJay UK 03 Dec 20 1.07am | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
My Dad lived through WWII, he is 92 now. I’ve never seen him complain about anything more than the current lockdown situation. Our last telephone conversation, he said, “even during the war you could get a pint of beer.” He is more depressed about not being able to have a half with his mates at the golf club than anything else. He has a right to complain as does everyone else and he doesn’t know how many more opportunities he has to have a drink with his mates so lockdown can go fcuk itself as far as I’m concerned. He's right to complain at that age really, but as he's a prime target for covid it's not the easiest question to answer. You could just as easily ask if he'd still be here now if he had been at the pub drinking a half with his mates more often. With a vaccine available to him imminently, at this point he's better alive and moaning about it, than dead and leaving others full of regret. The government may have made the wrong decision for many of us, but likely the right one for him.
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BlueJay UK 03 Dec 20 1.24am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Well ignore that part of my post then. He couldn’t answer the question because he and they don’t know, and neither do you. And how many times have we heard about asymptomatic people spreading it? It will be great if this isn’t an issue, and even better if the vulnerable and those with the vulnerable who think they have to take it take it willingly asap, because after all, those against shielding the vulnerable widened that number so much to the majority of the population. At that point they’ll have vaccinated enough for herd immunity. As we filter down the age groups there will likely be less and less people opting to have the vaccine, so while the spread will slow, I don't see it going away as such. Whether those vaccinated can still spread it is a valid concern too but either way, those at risk will be needing this vaccine yearly most likely. That will make most other concerns academic. If some at risk people choose not to and they get ill they can't really have too many complaints about it. Their choice; likely a bad one.
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Eaglecoops CR3 03 Dec 20 8.03am | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
He's right to complain at that age really, but as he's a prime target for covid it's not the easiest question to answer. You could just as easily ask if he'd still be here now if he had been at the pub drinking a half with his mates more often. With a vaccine available to him imminently, at this point he's better alive and moaning about it, than dead and leaving others full of regret. The government may have made the wrong decision for many of us, but likely the right one for him.
I don’t think he would take too kindly to you telling him he had been locked up for his own good as he just does not feel that way.
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Spiderman Horsham 03 Dec 20 8.13am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
There aren’t many adults from WWII years left unfortunately and the people most affected by all this will experience similar to post WWII. It can actually be worse as there’ll be no ‘in this together’ or ‘war spirit’ or everyone under rations. There will be plenty seriously damaged by all this while others won’t suffer any consequences whatsoever. Indeed there will not be an employment boom in a few years and a large percentage of a generation will be unemployed
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 03 Dec 20 10.02am | |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
As we filter down the age groups there will likely be less and less people opting to have the vaccine, so while the spread will slow, I don't see it going away as such. Whether those vaccinated can still spread it is a valid concern too but either way, those at risk will be needing this vaccine yearly most likely. That will make most other concerns academic. If some at risk people choose not to and they get ill they can't really have too many complaints about it. Their choice; likely a bad one. Teenagers won’t be vaccinated as things stand. Also I expect many young adults termed ‘super spreaders’ won’t opt to get vaccinated either. What’s another concern is Jonathan Van Tam talking about social distancing and masks going on for years. Didn’t Boris try and shut him up on that one? I expect some wanting masks to carry on and indeed wearing them whatever.
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Eaglecoops CR3 03 Dec 20 10.09am | |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Teenagers won’t be vaccinated as things stand. Also I expect many young adults termed ‘super spreaders’ won’t opt to get vaccinated either. What’s another concern is Jonathan Van Tam talking about social distancing and masks going on for years. Didn’t Boris try and shut him up on that one? I expect some wanting masks to carry on and indeed wearing them whatever. I know some who have looked a lot better for their introduction. As to long term use I can see the point of it on public transport, but nowhere else. The Japanese do it so if it makes people feel better about themselves then fine. Making it compulsory outside of public transport is a big no from me however.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 03 Dec 20 10.34am | |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
I know some who have looked a lot better for their introduction. As to long term use I can see the point of it on public transport, but nowhere else. The Japanese do it so if it makes people feel better about themselves then fine. Making it compulsory outside of public transport is a big no from me however. I jolly well hope it will not remain compulsory on aircraft.
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