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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 May 23 10.16pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
In regards to the vaccine I looked at the risks and side effects. And determined that I do not accept the risk of getting it. As is my absolute right. My concerns are based on the side effects already listed and on many government and NHS sources I already provided. There is risks. What happens if I decided to get it and I am that 1 in a million person who gets a heart issue and dies from it. You would say oh well you were aware of the risks and all that. At the end of the day my concerns are legitimate as are yours. Why can't you accept my decision? Clearly you must not believe in bodily autonomy or a person's right to do what they want with their body? You appear not to realise that all your procrastination is doing is reinforcing my points. I have never suggested you don't have a right to refuse the vaccines. Everyone has a right to be stupid if they want to be. All I have done is point out how dumb the decision is because it's not based on any kind of reality. If you truly looked up the risks and decided a one in a million chance of a heart attack (which I am not even sure is true) is a greater risk than being exposed to Covid unvaccinated then you are not thinking straight. You have admitted you allowed dye to be injected. Well done, as it's harmless. What about tooth numbing? Do you get drilled without and suffer the pain, or do you wimp out like most of us? As I described this carries a small risk too, but do you accept it to avoid the pain? Be honest. So you have a right to refuse. With any right comes responsibilities. Other people may have rights too that conflict with yours. This is why I get very cross with those who could get vaccinated but don't. I want to see a change to our laws so that those who refuse vaccination for non-medical reasons are expected to pay the excess cost of any NHS treatment they receive as a consequence. Your right and the consequential responsibility! I also believe the vaccinated have a right to know if someone has opted out for non-medical reasons, so they can decide whether, and how, they contact and socialise with them. Smokers are required to isolate themselves as non-smokers have the right not to breathe the smoke. Exactly the same applies to the unvaccinated. I don't want to mix with those I believe are acting irresponsibly and it's my right to choose. If I don't know, how can I do that? Ostracising smokers and making them feel uncomfortable and unwanted helps discourage their stupidity. Doing the same to vaccine refusers would do the same. It's too late for such changes with Covid but when the next pandemic arrives prepare yourself. because this is going to be on the agenda.
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eaglesdare 13 May 23 10.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You appear not to realise that all your procrastination is doing is reinforcing my points. I have never suggested you don't have a right to refuse the vaccines. Everyone has a right to be stupid if they want to be. All I have done is point out how dumb the decision is because it's not based on any kind of reality. If you truly looked up the risks and decided a one in a million chance of a heart attack (which I am not even sure is true) is a greater risk than being exposed to Covid unvaccinated then you are not thinking straight. You have admitted you allowed dye to be injected. Well done, as it's harmless. What about tooth numbing? Do you get drilled without and suffer the pain, or do you wimp out like most of us? As I described this carries a small risk too, but do you accept it to avoid the pain? Be honest. So you have a right to refuse. With any right comes responsibilities. Other people may have rights too that conflict with yours. This is why I get very cross with those who could get vaccinated but don't. I want to see a change to our laws so that those who refuse vaccination for non-medical reasons are expected to pay the excess cost of any NHS treatment they receive as a consequence. Your right and the consequential responsibility! I also believe the vaccinated have a right to know if someone has opted out for non-medical reasons, so they can decide whether, and how, they contact and socialise with them. Smokers are required to isolate themselves as non-smokers have the right not to breathe the smoke. Exactly the same applies to the unvaccinated. I don't want to mix with those I believe are acting irresponsibly and it's my right to choose. If I don't know, how can I do that? Ostracising smokers and making them feel uncomfortable and unwanted helps discourage their stupidity. Doing the same to vaccine refusers would do the same. It's too late for such changes with Covid but when the next pandemic arrives prepare yourself. because this is going to be on the agenda. Would you look who is the conspiracy theorist now! Anyways my teeth are fine. As am I perfectly healthy. Just a broken arm that will be fine soon. Amazing how I survived a most dangerous disease in covid while being unvaccinated and never wearing a mask. I had and have legitimate concerns about my health over the covid vaccine. My decision affects absolutely no one else. Least of all you. You have also confirmed that you are a communist.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 May 23 10.32pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Some might say that's rather ironic. Some=you. I have yet to find an analysis of the latest Campbell video. So while we wait here is one by Dr Dan Wilson on his "Debunk the Funk" channel. This time he is reviewing another of your go-to sources of misinformation, Russell Brand. This one is especially enjoyable:-
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 May 23 10.46pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Would you look who is the conspiracy theorist now! Anyways my teeth are fine. As am I perfectly healthy. Just a broken arm that will be fine soon. Amazing how I survived a most dangerous disease in covid while being unvaccinated and never wearing a mask. I had and have legitimate concerns about my health over the covid vaccine. My decision affects absolutely no one else. Least of all you. You have also confirmed that you are a communist. Your teeth may well be fine, now but you still haven't answered the question. Have you ever, at any time, accepted an injection in your gum to numb pain? If you need an operation on your arm you will be given anaesthetic. Do you plan to refuse? I don't think they will proceed if you do. Of course, you have survived. Most do. It's just your risks are markedly higher without being vaccinated. Your decision does affect me. My right to avoid you is not being honoured. The extra cost of your NHS treatment is being borne by people like me. I am no more a communist than I am a supporter of Trump. I believe in capitalism with a social responsibility. A society in which all are expected to look after one another and not act selfishly. You say you are concerned about the vaccines causing heart problems. Maybe you have been watching too much Russell Brand too, or been influenced by people who do. Watch this and reassess whether your concerns are actually justified, or whether catching severe Covid poses a greater risk:-
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eaglesdare 13 May 23 11.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your teeth may well be fine, now but you still haven't answered the question. Have you ever, at any time, accepted an injection in your gum to numb pain? If you need an operation on your arm you will be given anaesthetic. Do you plan to refuse? I don't think they will proceed if you do. Of course, you have survived. Most do. It's just your risks are markedly higher without being vaccinated. Your decision does affect me. My right to avoid you is not being honoured. The extra cost of your NHS treatment is being borne by people like me. I am no more a communist than I am a supporter of Trump. I believe in capitalism with a social responsibility. A society in which all are expected to look after one another and not act selfishly. You say you are concerned about the vaccines causing heart problems. Maybe you have been watching too much Russell Brand too, or been influenced by people who do. Watch this and reassess whether your concerns are actually justified, or whether catching severe Covid poses a greater risk:- Well Mr conspiracy theorist. So what if I accept an injection in my gum or not? It's my right to refuse or to have it. This is my point I have the option to reject it or not. If the day comes I will look at the side effects and come to a an informed decision on what side effects there may or may not be. Just like the covid vaccine I came to an informed decision and decided not to get it. Pretty simple really. As I have said previously I don't watch any of those YouTube videos I have heard of them and I am sure the likes of Russel brand makes some excellent points. I do agree with you in the regards that they are there to make money so I don't really watch them. Anyways communist goodnight.
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Teddy Eagle 14 May 23 3.56am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Your teeth may well be fine, now but you still haven't answered the question. Have you ever, at any time, accepted an injection in your gum to numb pain? If you need an operation on your arm you will be given anaesthetic. Do you plan to refuse? I don't think they will proceed if you do. Of course, you have survived. Most do. It's just your risks are markedly higher without being vaccinated. Your decision does affect me. My right to avoid you is not being honoured. The extra cost of your NHS treatment is being borne by people like me. I am no more a communist than I am a supporter of Trump. I believe in capitalism with a social responsibility. A society in which all are expected to look after one another and not act selfishly. You say you are concerned about the vaccines causing heart problems. Maybe you have been watching too much Russell Brand too, or been influenced by people who do. Watch this and reassess whether your concerns are actually justified, or whether catching severe Covid poses a greater risk:- Your concern is for how it affects you not for the effect on anyone else. It's the same as telling someone they can't smoke because it might affect someone else. It's like telling someone they can't drive a car because they might run you over.
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Stirlingsays 14 May 23 5.56am | |
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 14 May 23 7.23am | |
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The pharmaceutical industry spends £billions on research, sometimes taking 20 years to develop a drug (normally around 10 years) that finally reached the public and starts making money. Developing a Covid vaccine enabled massive short-cuts in time and cost for drug companies. It seems likely/probable that there would be higher instances of problems with the drug, just purely from lack of thorough testing. That's not fear. that's a rational conclusion to draw.
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Stirlingsays 14 May 23 7.35am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
The pharmaceutical industry spends £billions on research, sometimes taking 20 years to develop a drug (normally around 10 years) that finally reached the public and starts making money. Developing a Covid vaccine enabled massive short-cuts in time and cost for drug companies. It seems likely/probable that there would be higher instances of problems with the drug, just purely from lack of thorough testing. That's not fear. that's a rational conclusion to draw. The sheer amount of pressure put on people to take these vaccines was unlike anything I've ever witnessed before in my life. What happened should not be forgotten. I think, but I might not be right, that previous drugs have been removed if they gave 1 bad reaction every 800. For Covid I think they completely ignored previous practice. The long term testing has been done on populations. Also little concern or blame seems to be focused upon just how Covid came to be.......all of that has been thwarted just as effectively as who went to Epstein island. As I've always said, this was always a personal choice for people to make and I'll never criticise someone's personal health choices. However, what has happened with children has been unacceptable.....also how the state behaved needs serious redress. But that won't happen. Edited by Stirlingsays (14 May 2023 7.37am)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 May 23 8.02am | |
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly
The pharmaceutical industry spends £billions on research, sometimes taking 20 years to develop a drug (normally around 10 years) that finally reached the public and starts making money. Developing a Covid vaccine enabled massive short-cuts in time and cost for drug companies. It seems likely/probable that there would be higher instances of problems with the drug, just purely from lack of thorough testing. That's not fear. that's a rational conclusion to draw. This might seem logical, but it just isn't true. It demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of the way the process was accelerated to ensure the vaccines were available when they were needed. The testing was every bit as thorough. It just didn't take as long. Huge resources were thrown at it, so the costs were probably higher than normal.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 May 23 8.07am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Your concern is for how it affects you not for the effect on anyone else. It's the same as telling someone they can't smoke because it might affect someone else. It's like telling someone they can't drive a car because they might run you over. Not when you live in a society, as we all do. Go be a hermit if you feel you only need to be concerned about yourself. We do tell smokers they cannot smoke. We exclude them from many places, including my home and the pub I use. If you drive a car you are also expected to do so responsibly and obey the rules. This ought to be no different.
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georgenorman 14 May 23 8.46am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You appear not to realise that all your procrastination is doing is reinforcing my points. I have never suggested you don't have a right to refuse the vaccines. Everyone has a right to be stupid if they want to be. All I have done is point out how dumb the decision is because it's not based on any kind of reality. If you truly looked up the risks and decided a one in a million chance of a heart attack (which I am not even sure is true) is a greater risk than being exposed to Covid unvaccinated then you are not thinking straight. You have admitted you allowed dye to be injected. Well done, as it's harmless. What about tooth numbing? Do you get drilled without and suffer the pain, or do you wimp out like most of us? As I described this carries a small risk too, but do you accept it to avoid the pain? Be honest. So you have a right to refuse. With any right comes responsibilities. Other people may have rights too that conflict with yours. This is why I get very cross with those who could get vaccinated but don't. I want to see a change to our laws so that those who refuse vaccination for non-medical reasons are expected to pay the excess cost of any NHS treatment they receive as a consequence. Your right and the consequential responsibility! I also believe the vaccinated have a right to know if someone has opted out for non-medical reasons, so they can decide whether, and how, they contact and socialise with them. Smokers are required to isolate themselves as non-smokers have the right not to breathe the smoke. Exactly the same applies to the unvaccinated. I don't want to mix with those I believe are acting irresponsibly and it's my right to choose. If I don't know, how can I do that? Ostracising smokers and making them feel uncomfortable and unwanted helps discourage their stupidity. Doing the same to vaccine refusers would do the same. It's too late for such changes with Covid but when the next pandemic arrives prepare yourself. because this is going to be on the agenda. Perhaps they should have to have the letter 'U' sown onto their clothing and be made to live in ghettos?
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