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Mapletree Croydon 12 Jan 23 10.52pm
Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow No, as an example of how to convince a population to vote for something quite clearly self-harming. It will make a fascinating case study one day when it can be talked about frankly, without tip-toeing around leavers' insecurities. Already been done. The 18th Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte
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Mapletree

Croydon 12 Jan 23 10.52pm

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

No, as an example of how to convince a population to vote for something quite clearly self-harming.

It will make a fascinating case study one day when it can be talked about frankly, without tip-toeing around leavers' insecurities.

Already been done. The 18th Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte

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Mapletree Croydon 12 Jan 23 10.54pm
Originally posted by Spiderman He probably knows that the slaves were initially captured by fellow Africans and sold on, ( watch the first episode of Roots) but this doesn’t suit though So those that then bought the slaves are innocent? Same rationale as prostitution and ivory trade. Make a market and merchants will feed it.
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Croydon 12 Jan 23 10.54pm

Originally posted by Spiderman

He probably knows that the slaves were initially captured by fellow Africans and sold on, ( watch the first episode of Roots) but this doesn’t suit though

So those that then bought the slaves are innocent? Same rationale as prostitution and ivory trade. Make a market and merchants will feed it.

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Mapletree Croydon 12 Jan 23 10.55pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Only a moron would judge people who lived hundreds of years ago by modern standards. Contrast that with what many tolerate from people around today just so they look Woke. Personally I couldn't give a toss if people who have been here five minutes, some of whom hate us, don't like our historical figures and I can't really understand why people like you do either. You must hate yourself a lot. Good job I didn’t then, or you would have called me a moron
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Croydon 12 Jan 23 10.55pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Only a moron would judge people who lived hundreds of years ago by modern standards.

Contrast that with what many tolerate from people around today just so they look Woke.

Personally I couldn't give a toss if people who have been here five minutes, some of whom hate us, don't like our historical figures and I can't really understand why people like you do either.

You must hate yourself a lot.

Good job I didn’t then, or you would have called me a moron

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Mapletree Croydon 12 Jan 23 11.00pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Only a moron would judge people who lived hundreds of years ago by modern standards. Contrast that with what many tolerate from people around today just so they look Woke. Personally I couldn't give a toss if people who have been here five minutes, some of whom hate us, don't like our historical figures and I can't really understand why people like you do either. You must hate yourself a lot. Five minutes? British anti slavery became big news in the 17th century. I guess history just isn’t your thing.
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Croydon 12 Jan 23 11.00pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Only a moron would judge people who lived hundreds of years ago by modern standards.

Contrast that with what many tolerate from people around today just so they look Woke.

Personally I couldn't give a toss if people who have been here five minutes, some of whom hate us, don't like our historical figures and I can't really understand why people like you do either.

You must hate yourself a lot.

Five minutes? British anti slavery became big news in the 17th century. I guess history just isn’t your thing.

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Teddy Eagle 12 Jan 23 11.18pm
As mildly interesting as this diversion may be what's it's connection to celebrating the left?
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12 Jan 23 11.18pm

As mildly interesting as this diversion may be what's it's connection to celebrating the left?

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Mapletree Croydon 12 Jan 23 11.31pm
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle As mildly interesting as this diversion may be what's it's connection to celebrating the left? I believe effectively this bit is based on the idea that ‘the Left’ is trying to block us from being able to access our history. I wouldn’t have known anything about Colson were it not for the Left trying to make sure I can’t learn anything about him. Which is to be celebrated
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Croydon 12 Jan 23 11.31pm

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

As mildly interesting as this diversion may be what's it's connection to celebrating the left?

I believe effectively this bit is based on the idea that ‘the Left’ is trying to block us from being able to access our history. I wouldn’t have known anything about Colson were it not for the Left trying to make sure I can’t learn anything about him.

Which is to be celebrated

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Mapletree Croydon 12 Jan 23 11.35pm
Originally posted by georgenorman All you do is celebrate anything that you think denigrates your own country, both in the past and present. Edited by georgenorman (12 Jan 2023 10.07pm) Ah, I see you are a fan of cerebral hygiene. Definitely the best option.
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Croydon 12 Jan 23 11.35pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

All you do is celebrate anything that you think denigrates your own country, both in the past and present.

Edited by georgenorman (12 Jan 2023 10.07pm)

Ah, I see you are a fan of cerebral hygiene. Definitely the best option.

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Teddy Eagle 12 Jan 23 11.50pm
Originally posted by Mapletree I believe effectively this bit is based on the idea that ‘the Left’ is trying to block us from being able to access our history. I wouldn’t have known anything about Colson were it not for the Left trying to make sure I can’t learn anything about him. Which is to be celebrated OK, if researching the lives of historical figures you've never heard of and making a judgement that they were bad people is a cause for celebration.
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Teddy Eagle

12 Jan 23 11.50pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

Which is to be celebrated

OK, if researching the lives of historical figures you've never heard of and making a judgement that they were bad people is a cause for celebration.

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Mapletree Croydon 13 Jan 23 12.05am
Originally posted by Teddy Eagle OK, if researching the lives of historical figures you've never heard of and making a judgement that they were bad people is a cause for celebration. ‘Bad’ hmmm. Well, that has to be seen in its historic context. Which brings us back to who writes history and why is so much of it obscured from our view. Colson was nuanced. Did much good. It’s just many people don’t like to have to look up to him. And have him look down on them. His statue is now in a far better place. Have you visited MUZEON by the way? Full of statues taken down by vandals.
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Croydon 13 Jan 23 12.05am

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

OK, if researching the lives of historical figures you've never heard of and making a judgement that they were bad people is a cause for celebration.

‘Bad’ hmmm.

Well, that has to be seen in its historic context. Which brings us back to who writes history and why is so much of it obscured from our view. Colson was nuanced. Did much good. It’s just many people don’t like to have to look up to him. And have him look down on them. His statue is now in a far better place.

Have you visited MUZEON by the way? Full of statues taken down by vandals.

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Teddy Eagle 13 Jan 23 12.18am
Originally posted by Mapletree ‘Bad’ hmmm. Well, that has to be seen in its historic context. Which brings us back to who writes history and why is so much of it obscured from our view. Colson was nuanced. Did much good. It’s just many people don’t like to have to look up to him. And have him look down on them. His statue is now in a far better place. Have you visited MUZEON by the way? Full of statues taken down by vandals. Better place? So the "bad" he did outweighs the "good". I prefer the Edinburgh system of leaving statues and monuments but adding, where required, some information explaining what they did in a fuller context.
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Teddy Eagle

13 Jan 23 12.18am

Originally posted by Mapletree

‘Bad’ hmmm.

Have you visited MUZEON by the way? Full of statues taken down by vandals.

Better place? So the "bad" he did outweighs the "good".
I prefer the Edinburgh system of leaving statues and monuments but adding, where required, some information explaining what they did in a fuller context.

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HKOwen Hong Kong 13 Jan 23 12.19am
Originally posted by Mapletree Good job I didn’t then, or you would have called me a moron If the cap fits etc Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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Hong Kong 13 Jan 23 12.19am

Originally posted by Mapletree

Good job I didn’t then, or you would have called me a moron

If the cap fits etc

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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Stirlingsays 13 Jan 23 1.06am
People who hate our history and historical figures aren't needed here. Most of them aren't us or don't align themselves with us seeing themselves as more 'citizens of the world'. As was said earlier they instinctively look to criticise and pull down what we are. These people end up being a problem for most countries. There's a border, they can cross it. But they just won't go. Tells you everything you need to know. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jan 2023 1.07am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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13 Jan 23 1.06am

People who hate our history and historical figures aren't needed here.

Most of them aren't us or don't align themselves with us seeing themselves as more 'citizens of the world'. As was said earlier they instinctively look to criticise and pull down what we are. These people end up being a problem for most countries.

There's a border, they can cross it.

But they just won't go.
Tells you everything you need to know.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jan 2023 1.07am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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