100 percent agree with the above. I have read all the pages in this thread and have read one valid argument (IMO) in that, some old fans have a support network that they rely on to help them on match days and that should be taken into account when and if people get relocated.

Other than that it's just been a load of myopic, self indulgent, load of old whoof. "It's not fair ", "I've been here years ", " why should I move just for them ".

It's pathetic, puncture repair man has been repeatedly ( I use him as an example as he seems to be waving the myopic flag the most vigorously), been asked to explain his morale outrage and indignation, by me and others, all he does is repeat the same tired arguments that I have mentioned above.

What about the fans that love the energy and the atmosphere the HF create ? do they not deserve to have that atmosphere back ? I'm sure if you asked the players they would prefer the old atmosphere over the stale Emirates-esq hush that has descended over Selhurst recently.

But hey as long as you don't have to move seats, what does the atmosphere matter ?

And don't start back at me with the HF this and the HF that. I agree for the umpteenth time they have acted petulantly IMO.However......the Atmosphere is s*** without them so get them back and as long as you can still watch the game, other than having your nose put out of joint, whats the problem ? .

You are a prize hypocrite You agree that the HF have acted petulantly then call people who are long term loyal supporters who are being shafted Myopic and self indulgent. Talk about pot and kettle You are a bully boy just like the HF.

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Have you had a reply now?

If I have understood matters accurately, I believe that supporters DO recognise what the HF have brought to 'Selhurst' with their displays and vocal support.

Seemingly what many cannot abide are the circumstances leading up to the impending move of the HF to Block B and the impact on long-standing season ticket holders.
The narrative appears to be of the HF throwing toys out of prams,doing a flounce,getting what they want and not giving a flying flamingo about fellow supporters inconvenienced by their move.HF getting preferential treatment over loyal fans and all that.

Perhaps many have concluded,rightly or wrongly, that the HF are a mere transient body, content to bask in the glory of the PL but whose numbers and fervent support would dwindle significantly if the club are relegated whilst those who have supported through thick and thin and have been relocated to accomodate the HF continue to support as they have done season after season.This of course might not transpire at all and that there judgement will prove to be awry.

I recognise the atmosphere created by the HF and can see the PR,marketing and commercial advantages but I also understand why many supporters are incandescent with rage over this whole issue.

Parish has mentioned "For the greater good" and he clearly believes that the ends justify the means.

Edited by Willo (19 Nov 2018 2.48pm)

If I have understood matters accurately, I believe that supporters DO recognise what the HF have brought to 'Selhurst' with their displays and vocal support.

I'm not sure the likes of Puncture repair man do to be honest, I think he's to busy frothing at the corner of his mouth to give the HF credit for anything. But I will happily apologise if he shows me to be wrong on that.

Seemingly what many cannot abide are the circumstances leading up to the impending move of the HF to Block B and the impact on long-standing season ticket holders.

I agree the way the HF went about things (from what has been described) appears petulant, but just to put petulance in some form of context Ian Wright was one of the most petulant footballers I have ever seen at Palace but we loved him (until the Arsenal thing but that's another story....) My point being it is possible to think of someone as petulant but ultimately agree with what they are trying to achieve.

I also think this word "impact" when used in relation to having to move seats in a football stadium is a little bit dramatic, inconvenienced may be more apt.

The narrative appears to be of the HF throwing toys out of prams,doing a flounce,getting what they want and not giving a flying flamingo about fellow supporters inconvenienced by their move.HF getting preferential treatment over loyal fans and all that.

Well yes I totally agree, and like a great many things I think the club has handled this appallingly on both sides, as I do know for a fact that certain promises were made by the club to the HF, and the reneged upon which lead to the initial fall out, Que lots of hand wringing from the club and a fair amount of face saving to make the HF out to be the guilty party. That I do know and have from the horses mouth so to speak. In effect the HF were essentially lied to and thats why they bounced. They still go just sit in other parts of the ground, but of course it could've been handled better by both parties club and fans alike.

Perhaps many have concluded,rightly or wrongly, that the HF are a mere transient body, content to bask in the glory of the PL but whose numbers and fervent support would dwindle significantly if the club are relegated

The HF have been an organised group since 2005 supporting the club home and away without fail that's 13 years for anyone whose accusing them of being glory hunting flash in the pans. So I do not accept that part of the argument as it's just simply wrong.

whilst those who have supported through thick and thin and have been relocated to accomodate the HF continue to support as they have done season after season.This of course might not transpire at all and that their judgement will prove to be awry.

No one is yet certain of what is even being proposed but as with everything Palace it seems to being dealt with very half arsed in deed, and mirrors our transfer policy (or lack thereof) the snail like pace of news of the grounds redevelopment, and the clubs seemingly lack of any real expertise in any area at all really.

But I can't imagine Palace will sling fans to the back of the Arthur So feathers are being ruffled and dummy's spat out to in the name of what is essentially hearsay.

I recognise the atmosphere created by the HF and can see the PR,marketing and commercial advantages but I also understand why many supporters are incandescent with rage over this whole issue.

Incandescent is the bit I have the issue with, they'r potentially being asked to move seats in a football ground, not donate a kidney to Piers Morgan, it should be a minor irritant, not the seemingly life ending spectacle some have turned it into, but that's just how I see it. And yes your right the HF do have a commercial value to the club, which unfortunately none of the rest of do add that extra something so I think the decision will be commercially driven in the end.

Parish has mentioned "For the greater good" and he clearly believes that the ends justify the means.

I think in a nutshell he's right.

Edited by Willo (19 Nov 2018 3.14pm)

I think you are forgetting that football is an entertainment industry. Meaning we, the fans (customers) are the ones that have a right to expect entertainment not the other way around. If the HF want to do what they do great. Good luck to them. Its a free country. Dont be a berk and start criticising the rest of us because we just want to turn up and watch our local team play football (and hope we win/play well)