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sickboy Deal or Croydon 13 Sep 15 12.33pm
Quote Mapletree at 12 Sep 2015 12.17pm Quote johnfirewall at 12 Sep 2015 11.56am Quote Mapletree at 12 Sep 2015 11.32am Quote since1953 at 12 Sep 2015 10.29am I'm glad it was not only me that noticed some of the immigrants were wearing top of the range trainers and were using the latest mobile phones to direct them to the next border. Some of the ladies were pushing state of the art buggies. Doesn't quite correlate with the images of refugees seen in the photos post World War ll.Those in the camps seem far more genuine, and I support Cameron in this. I was particularly annoyed at the sight of some "refugees" holding up a poster in a train carriage on the German/Danish border which said something like "We don't want Denmark, we want Sweden". No wonder the Danes want nothing to do with them.We should keep well out of all this. Let me just understand this. If you are wealthy and can afford nice trainers you automatically can't be affected by a war going on around you? You aren't in the same danger as the poor people? Hmm, wish I were wealthier then and thereby immune to being shot and blown up. You're less affected because you can afford to get out of the country. Hence those are the people we're seeing. Just a thought then. If we are going to take refugees which would be better for the country, the early waves or the later waves? Which would integrate quickest, bring extra wealth, pay their way, bring new knowledge etc? In the end they all have the same problem, war doesn't discriminate. So don't tell me the poorer people are more needy, the most needy people are those nearest the worst fighting. So why are people so against those with nice trainers? The idea of taking in refugees should be a temporary measure to get people out of harms way. When the situation has eased they can then return home. If they want to move again they do so as economic migrants and go through the proper channels.
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I'm glad it was not only me that noticed some of the immigrants were wearing top of the range trainers and were using the latest mobile phones to direct them to the next border. Some of the ladies were pushing state of the art buggies. Doesn't quite correlate with the images of refugees seen in the photos post World War ll.Those in the camps seem far more genuine, and I support Cameron in this. I was particularly annoyed at the sight of some "refugees" holding up a poster in a train carriage on the German/Danish border which said something like "We don't want Denmark, we want Sweden". No wonder the Danes want nothing to do with them.We should keep well out of all this.

Let me just understand this. If you are wealthy and can afford nice trainers you automatically can't be affected by a war going on around you? You aren't in the same danger as the poor people? Hmm, wish I were wealthier then and thereby immune to being shot and blown up.

You're less affected because you can afford to get out of the country. Hence those are the people we're seeing.

Just a thought then. If we are going to take refugees which would be better for the country, the early waves or the later waves? Which would integrate quickest, bring extra wealth, pay their way, bring new knowledge etc? In the end they all have the same problem, war doesn't discriminate. So don't tell me the poorer people are more needy, the most needy people are those nearest the worst fighting. So why are people so against those with nice trainers?

The idea of taking in refugees should be a temporary measure to get people out of harms way. When the situation has eased they can then return home. If they want to move again they do so as economic migrants and go through the proper channels.

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since1953 Maidenhead 13 Sep 15 2.06pm
I agree entirely sickboy, but what is the chance of them returning to Syria/Afghanistan etc once the fighting has finished? Very slim I would suggest. Tracking them down and processing them for deportation would be expensive and almost impossible. Realistically then, once you have taken them in you will have to accept them as potentially new citizens. This may suit Germany and Sweden for economic reasons but I find the prospect unattractive.
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I agree entirely sickboy, but what is the chance of them returning to Syria/Afghanistan etc once the fighting has finished? Very slim I would suggest. Tracking them down and processing them for deportation would be expensive and almost impossible. Realistically then, once you have taken them in you will have to accept them as potentially new citizens. This may suit Germany and Sweden for economic reasons but I find the prospect unattractive.

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 13 Sep 15 3.52pm
Quote since1953 at 13 Sep 2015 2.06pm I agree entirely sickboy, but what is the chance of them returning to Syria/Afghanistan etc once the fighting has finished? Very slim I would suggest. Tracking them down and processing them for deportation would be expensive and almost impossible. Realistically then, once you have taken them in you will have to accept them as potentially new citizens. This may suit Germany and Sweden for economic reasons but I find the prospect unattractive. I know that is the reality but it underlines the point that once safe people then become economic migrants or indeed immigrants once already here. I mean surely you would want to return to your home if it was safe and stable!
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I know that is the reality but it underlines the point that once safe people then become economic migrants or indeed immigrants once already here. I mean surely you would want to return to your home if it was safe and stable!

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jamiemartin721 Reading 13 Sep 15 3.59pm
Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 12.33pm Quote Mapletree at 12 Sep 2015 12.17pm Quote johnfirewall at 12 Sep 2015 11.56am Quote Mapletree at 12 Sep 2015 11.32am Quote since1953 at 12 Sep 2015 10.29am I'm glad it was not only me that noticed some of the immigrants were wearing top of the range trainers and were using the latest mobile phones to direct them to the next border. Some of the ladies were pushing state of the art buggies. Doesn't quite correlate with the images of refugees seen in the photos post World War ll.Those in the camps seem far more genuine, and I support Cameron in this. I was particularly annoyed at the sight of some "refugees" holding up a poster in a train carriage on the German/Danish border which said something like "We don't want Denmark, we want Sweden". No wonder the Danes want nothing to do with them.We should keep well out of all this. Let me just understand this. If you are wealthy and can afford nice trainers you automatically can't be affected by a war going on around you? You aren't in the same danger as the poor people? Hmm, wish I were wealthier then and thereby immune to being shot and blown up. You're less affected because you can afford to get out of the country. Hence those are the people we're seeing. Just a thought then. If we are going to take refugees which would be better for the country, the early waves or the later waves? Which would integrate quickest, bring extra wealth, pay their way, bring new knowledge etc? In the end they all have the same problem, war doesn't discriminate. So don't tell me the poorer people are more needy, the most needy people are those nearest the worst fighting. So why are people so against those with nice trainers? The idea of taking in refugees should be a temporary measure to get people out of harms way. When the situation has eased they can then return home. If they want to move again they do so as economic migrants and go through the proper channels. Actually that's the norm, temporary residence is granted. However after a period of five years, they'd be entitled to citizenship (having likely built a life here etc). Plus just because the civil war ends, doesn't automatically mean its safe to go home (Likely outcome is either the Assad Regime or IS will come out on top). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote since1953 at 12 Sep 2015 10.29am

You're less affected because you can afford to get out of the country. Hence those are the people we're seeing.

Actually that's the norm, temporary residence is granted. However after a period of five years, they'd be entitled to citizenship (having likely built a life here etc). Plus just because the civil war ends, doesn't automatically mean its safe to go home (Likely outcome is either the Assad Regime or IS will come out on top).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 13 Sep 15 8.05pm
It looks as though Germany has reintroduced border controls and suspended the Schengen agreement tonight after being overwhelmed with migrants. [Link] We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...
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It looks as though Germany has reintroduced border controls and suspended the Schengen agreement tonight after being overwhelmed with migrants.

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We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 13 Sep 15 8.24pm
Quote Canterbury Palace at 13 Sep 2015 8.05pm It looks as though Germany has reintroduced border controls and suspended the Schengen agreement tonight after being overwhelmed with migrants. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3232744/We-t-German-authorities-call-urgent-action-migrant-crisis-locals-say-Munich-brink-humanitarian-disaster.html Boy have they cocked their immigration up from the start....good old Angela! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 13 Sep 15 8.24pm

Quote Canterbury Palace at 13 Sep 2015 8.05pm

It looks as though Germany has reintroduced border controls and suspended the Schengen agreement tonight after being overwhelmed with migrants.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3232744/We-t-German-authorities-call-urgent-action-migrant-crisis-locals-say-Munich-brink-humanitarian-disaster.html

Boy have they cocked their immigration up from the start....good old Angela!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 13 Sep 15 8.31pm
I thought Angela was one of the 'immigration is an unmitigated blessing that bestows untold benefits' brigade(along with Corbyn). That being the case, why does she want controls? What problems does she perceive that makes her want controls? Surely she should be calling for even more immigration? Edited by leggedstruggle (13 Sep 2015 8.31pm) mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Croydon 13 Sep 15 8.31pm

I thought Angela was one of the 'immigration is an unmitigated blessing that bestows untold benefits' brigade(along with Corbyn). That being the case, why does she want controls? What problems does she perceive that makes her want controls? Surely she should be calling for even more immigration?

Edited by leggedstruggle (13 Sep 2015 8.31pm)

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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 13 Sep 15 9.09pm
Quote susmik at 13 Sep 2015 8.24pm Quote Canterbury Palace at 13 Sep 2015 8.05pm It looks as though Germany has reintroduced border controls and suspended the Schengen agreement tonight after being overwhelmed with migrants. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3232744/We-t-German-authorities-call-urgent-action-migrant-crisis-locals-say-Munich-brink-humanitarian-disaster.html Boy have they cocked their immigration up from the start....good old Angela! Didn't last long did it? I thought this was an interesting quote from the transport minister; '...and also includes an effective control of our own borders which also no longer works given the EU's complete failure to protect its external borders' A bit of tension beginning to bubble up to the surface? We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...
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It looks as though Germany has reintroduced border controls and suspended the Schengen agreement tonight after being overwhelmed with migrants.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3232744/We-t-German-authorities-call-urgent-action-migrant-crisis-locals-say-Munich-brink-humanitarian-disaster.html

Boy have they cocked their immigration up from the start....good old Angela!

Didn't last long did it? I thought this was an interesting quote from the transport minister;

'...and also includes an effective control of our own borders which also no longer works given the EU's complete failure to protect its external borders'

A bit of tension beginning to bubble up to the surface?

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold...

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Kermit8 Hevon 13 Sep 15 9.50pm
Uu Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 3.52pm Quote since1953 at 13 Sep 2015 2.06pm I agree entirely sickboy, but what is the chance of them returning to Syria/Afghanistan etc once the fighting has finished? Very slim I would suggest. Tracking them down and processing them for deportation would be expensive and almost impossible. Realistically then, once you have taken them in you will have to accept them as potentially new citizens. This may suit Germany and Sweden for economic reasons but I find the prospect unattractive. I know that is the reality but it underlines the point that once safe people then become economic migrants or indeed immigrants once already here. I mean surely you would want to return to your home if it was safe and stable! Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country.

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sickboy Deal or Croydon 13 Sep 15 10.41pm
Quote Kermit8 at 13 Sep 2015 9.50pm Uu Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 3.52pm Quote since1953 at 13 Sep 2015 2.06pm I agree entirely sickboy, but what is the chance of them returning to Syria/Afghanistan etc once the fighting has finished? Very slim I would suggest. Tracking them down and processing them for deportation would be expensive and almost impossible. Realistically then, once you have taken them in you will have to accept them as potentially new citizens. This may suit Germany and Sweden for economic reasons but I find the prospect unattractive. I know that is the reality but it underlines the point that once safe people then become economic migrants or indeed immigrants once already here. I mean surely you would want to return to your home if it was safe and stable! Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm) Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons.
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Deal or Croydon 13 Sep 15 10.41pm

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Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 3.52pm

Quote since1953 at 13 Sep 2015 2.06pm

Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm)

Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons.

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oldcodger 13 Sep 15 11.07pm
Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 10.41pm Quote Kermit8 at 13 Sep 2015 9.50pm Uu Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 3.52pm Quote since1953 at 13 Sep 2015 2.06pm I agree entirely sickboy, but what is the chance of them returning to Syria/Afghanistan etc once the fighting has finished? Very slim I would suggest. Tracking them down and processing them for deportation would be expensive and almost impossible. Realistically then, once you have taken them in you will have to accept them as potentially new citizens. This may suit Germany and Sweden for economic reasons but I find the prospect unattractive. I know that is the reality but it underlines the point that once safe people then become economic migrants or indeed immigrants once already here. I mean surely you would want to return to your home if it was safe and stable! Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm) Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons. If you're in a war zone, where does this idea come from that the only viable option is to move to the next country over from the war zone. Of course many do that, but those who don't may do so for a multitude of reasons, perceived safety being one of them - not only 'financial reasons'.
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Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm)

Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons.

If you're in a war zone, where does this idea come from that the only viable option is to move to the next country over from the war zone. Of course many do that, but those who don't may do so for a multitude of reasons, perceived safety being one of them - not only 'financial reasons'.

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johnny the eagle wivenhoe 13 Sep 15 11.50pm
Quote oldcodger at 13 Sep 2015 11.07pm Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 10.41pm Quote Kermit8 at 13 Sep 2015 9.50pm Uu Quote sickboy at 13 Sep 2015 3.52pm Quote since1953 at 13 Sep 2015 2.06pm I agree entirely sickboy, but what is the chance of them returning to Syria/Afghanistan etc once the fighting has finished? Very slim I would suggest. Tracking them down and processing them for deportation would be expensive and almost impossible. Realistically then, once you have taken them in you will have to accept them as potentially new citizens. This may suit Germany and Sweden for economic reasons but I find the prospect unattractive. I know that is the reality but it underlines the point that once safe people then become economic migrants or indeed immigrants once already here. I mean surely you would want to return to your home if it was safe and stable! Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country. Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm) Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons. If you're in a war zone, where does this idea come from that the only viable option is to move to the next country over from the war zone. Of course many do that, but those who don't may do so for a multitude of reasons, perceived safety being one of them - not only 'financial reasons'. I'm glad lots of our boy's and girls never did a runner in WW1 and WW2, and many other conflicts before and after those two. I wonder where we would be right now if everyone did one and didn't stand up for the freedom we enjoy today a. South London born and bred red and blue till im dead.
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Aleppo has all but been destroyed. They have no homes to go back to. Syria is a dying country.

Edited by Kermit8 (13 Sep 2015 9.51pm)

Turkey is much closer both physically and culturally. They want to come to western europe for financial reasons.

I'm glad lots of our boy's and girls never did a runner in WW1 and WW2, and many other conflicts before and after those two. I wonder where we would be right now if everyone did one and didn't stand up for the freedom we enjoy today a.

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