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chris123 Flag hove actually 11 Apr 13 4.36pm Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Quote Schuloff at 11 Apr 2013 3.50pm

The low intensity civil war waged under Thatcher seems to have been hiding twitching behind the curtains only to erupt at her death. For twenty three years the Tories sought to get away from her -no nasty party now. But with her awaiting burial, Cameron has come out as the vestal virgin-in-chief to mourn this loss. Must be the much awaited plan B people have been talking about.
And of the funeral arrangements: our beloved leader will have clear skies and empty streets as a sign of the people's affection. Tommies from a bygone conflict will line the streets as a cortege rumbles by in silence.

Lists are being drawn up as we speak of those who have a record of vehement opposition to her ways. Some will be arrested as a preventative measure. Internet forums are being surveilled for key signs.

The proposed minute's silence for her demise planned for Reading versus Liverpool has been scrapped. Margaret Aspinall of the Hillsborough Families said "To have a minute's silence for her at any football ground would be an insult to fans"

Would the pro-Thatcher acolytes on here like to propose the same silence reign during our next home match? And if they would, can they send a petition to the board?


I'm a big Thatcher fan, but a minute silence at grounds is not appropriate in my view as she had no interest in any sport as far as I can tell. Thatcher was no Michael Foot!

 

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SloveniaDave Flag Tirana, Albania 11 Apr 13 4.39pm Send a Private Message to SloveniaDave Add SloveniaDave as a friend

Quote Seth at 11 Apr 2013 4.15pm

Quote The Sash at 11 Apr 2013 3.45pm

Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm

[Link]
An article by Jon Pilger on The Thatch's collusion with Pol Pot.

What a lovely lady she was!

Yet again a source / link of absolutely no value whatsoever...



That's your opinion. Others will disagree, and their views are just as valid as yours.


Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that does not mean all opinions are all equally valid.

Personally, if I do not feel sufficiently informed, then I would rather listen to others and ask questions, than give an opinion. But what that means is that when I do express an opinion, then I know I am always right.

 


Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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Seth Flag On a pale blue dot 11 Apr 13 4.42pm Send a Private Message to Seth Add Seth as a friend

On a side note, the Tories have not had the "Thatcher bounce" some predicted in the wake of Mrs T's death, and appear to have slumped even lower in the latest YouGov poll: [Link]

 


"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
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Seth Flag On a pale blue dot 11 Apr 13 4.46pm Send a Private Message to Seth Add Seth as a friend

Quote SloveniaDave at 11 Apr 2013 4.39pm

Quote Seth at 11 Apr 2013 4.15pm

Quote The Sash at 11 Apr 2013 3.45pm

Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm

[Link]
An article by Jon Pilger on The Thatch's collusion with Pol Pot.

What a lovely lady she was!

Yet again a source / link of absolutely no value whatsoever...



That's your opinion. Others will disagree, and their views are just as valid as yours.


Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that does not mean all opinions are all equally valid.

Personally, if I do not feel sufficiently informed, then I would rather listen to others and ask questions, than give an opinion. But what that means is that when I do express an opinion, then I know I am always right.


But that's just your opinion isn't it? Who decides whether someone else's view is valid or not? There is no higher court which hands down a judgement, it's just a subjective opinion on someone else's subjective opinion.

And of course you're always right - to you. To someone else you could just as easily be always wrong.

My point is that EVERYONE thinks they're right. They can't all be, so who decides? You? Me? Them?

 


"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16

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SloveniaDave Flag Tirana, Albania 11 Apr 13 4.55pm Send a Private Message to SloveniaDave Add SloveniaDave as a friend

Quote Seth at 11 Apr 2013 4.46pm

Quote SloveniaDave at 11 Apr 2013 4.39pm

Quote Seth at 11 Apr 2013 4.15pm

Quote The Sash at 11 Apr 2013 3.45pm

Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm

[Link]
An article by Jon Pilger on The Thatch's collusion with Pol Pot.

What a lovely lady she was!

Yet again a source / link of absolutely no value whatsoever...



That's your opinion. Others will disagree, and their views are just as valid as yours.


Of course everyone is entitled to an opinion, but that does not mean all opinions are all equally valid.

Personally, if I do not feel sufficiently informed, then I would rather listen to others and ask questions, than give an opinion. But what that means is that when I do express an opinion, then I know I am always right.


But that's just your opinion isn't it? Who decides whether someone else's view is valid or not? There is no higher court which hands down a judgement, it's just a subjective opinion on someone else's subjective opinion.

And of course you're always right - to you. To someone else you could just as easily be always wrong.

My point is that EVERYONE thinks they're right. They can't all be, so who decides? You? Me? Them?

But just because everyone thinks they are right, does not mean that they are, self-evidently. I could opine that the earth is flat, but it does not make opinion as valid as someone who believes it is round.

No one necessarily needs to decide though, both can retain their opinions as long as they want, however misguided they may be. But someone who does not revise their opinion in the light of the evidence is rather foolish.

 


Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand!

My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right.

(Member of the School of Optimism 1969-2016 inclusive)

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Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Apr 13 4.56pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Quote Seth at 11 Apr 2013 4.42pm

On a side note, the Tories have not had the "Thatcher bounce" some predicted in the wake of Mrs T's death, and appear to have slumped even lower in the latest YouGov poll: [Link]

Mrs Thatcher took the view that to do things that were right sometimes entailed unpopularity until people saw that what was being done was working.


 

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Johnny Eagles Flag berlin 11 Apr 13 4.57pm Send a Private Message to Johnny Eagles Add Johnny Eagles as a friend

Quote Seth at 11 Apr 2013 4.28pm

No-one has the monopoly on truth mate, not me or you or anyone else. We all create our own "truth" in any case and just because someone else doesn't agree with it, doesn't make it any less true to the person who holds that view.

Without wishing to turn this into a philosophical debate, what a load of morally relativist bullsh*t.

Of course there is such a thing as the truth. If people refuse to accept the truth, it makes them wrong.

What you've written is tantamount to saying, "everyone can invent their own truth" which is, to use a technical philosophical term, utter bollocks.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 11 Apr 13 5.05pm

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Hey Gusset, you'd make a brilliant character in a sketch show.

Edited by Penge Eagle (11 Apr 2013 4.24pm)

he already stared in one.


Edited by dannyh (11 Apr 2013 4.33pm)

Right that's it! I'm going to write to the lead singer of Echo and the Bunnymen.

Dear Mr Echo...

 

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Seth Flag On a pale blue dot 11 Apr 13 5.11pm Send a Private Message to Seth Add Seth as a friend

Quote SloveniaDave at 11 Apr 2013 4.55pm

But just because everyone thinks they are right, does not mean that they are, self-evidently. I could opine that the earth is flat, but it does not make opinion as valid as someone who believes it is round.

No one necessarily needs to decide though, both can retain their opinions as long as they want, however misguided they may be. But someone who does not revise their opinion in the light of the evidence is rather foolish.


People used to "know" the earth was flat. Now we "know" it isn't. What else that we "know" to be right now will we "know" to be wrong in the future?

 


"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16

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Seth Flag On a pale blue dot 11 Apr 13 5.12pm Send a Private Message to Seth Add Seth as a friend

Quote Johnny Eagles at 11 Apr 2013 4.57pm

Quote Seth at 11 Apr 2013 4.28pm

No-one has the monopoly on truth mate, not me or you or anyone else. We all create our own "truth" in any case and just because someone else doesn't agree with it, doesn't make it any less true to the person who holds that view.

Without wishing to turn this into a philosophical debate, what a load of morally relativist bullsh*t.

Of course there is such a thing as the truth. If people refuse to accept the truth, it makes them wrong.

What you've written is tantamount to saying, "everyone can invent their own truth" which is, to use a technical philosophical term, utter bollocks.


That's just your opinion

 


"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16

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Seth Flag On a pale blue dot 11 Apr 13 5.12pm Send a Private Message to Seth Add Seth as a friend

Quote Willo at 11 Apr 2013 4.56pm

Quote Seth at 11 Apr 2013 4.42pm

On a side note, the Tories have not had the "Thatcher bounce" some predicted in the wake of Mrs T's death, and appear to have slumped even lower in the latest YouGov poll: [Link]

Mrs Thatcher took the view that to do things that were right sometimes entailed unpopularity until people saw that what was being done was working.



Is that why she was stabbed in the back and turned out on her ear by her own party?

 


"You can feel the stadium jumping. The stadium is actually physically moving up and down"
FA Cup MOTD 24/4/16

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Stirlingsays Flag 11 Apr 13 5.18pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

What is the nature of truth?

That is a question that has challenged thinkers since humans recorded expression.

Of course like everything else what is 'true' to people tends to be coloured by their own perspective.

If we could...Which we generally don't...separate out truth from perspective we tend to find that what is left are statistics (which we sometimes call facts)

When we interpret those statistics we give them perspective and it's from here that we find division in interpretation.

'Truth' beyond statistics becomes a popularity contest....A kind of 'my truth' is better than 'your truth'.

In terms of A causing B I'm sure some truths are more accurate than others.....But that's always an opinion.

 


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