You stupid stupid f***ing idiot, I was refering fo puncheon being fouled v moan utd.....still, proves that you were not there at stamford bridge puncheon was no where near hazards dive....so called big clubs ALWAYS get helpfrom the ref vs smaller clubs, everyone knows it so don't try and pretend it doesn't happen...hazard isa diver get over it

Oops your right it wasn't Puncheon it was your left back ( Mariappa?). I am not an expert on your team.
However this nonsense about big clubs ALWAYS get help from the ref v smaller clubs is rubbish.

Costa v Burnley first game of the season - Penalty not given
Fabregas v Southampton - ref apologises for booking him when it was a penalty.
Barnes escaping action after Matic 'takle' - Matic sent off but still serves ban
I think we have only had about 5 penalties in the premier league all season (you have also had 5??). Hardly the record of favourable decisions.
So maybe the first sentence you wrote was a self analysis?

No fella the first sentence was about you, sorry I just forgot to include the c word (then you would have known it was about you). We can all point to pens we should have had and didn't get, doesn't alter the fact that hazard DIVED as he has done all season.(shame really as he doesn't need to, he could be a good player if he didn't CHEAT)

Lets see if you have the intelligence to spot your contradiction:

You stated the following:

....so called big clubs ALWAYS get help from the ref vs smaller clubs, everyone knows it

You then say:

We can all point to pens we should have had and didn't get

I thought your point was that Big clubs ALWAYS get help from refs against the small clubs.

What help did we get against Burnley??

Lets see if you can construct a contribution that doesn't involve an insult!

No fella the first sentence was about you, sorry I just forgot to include the c word (then you would have known it was about you). We can all point to pens we should have had and didn't get, doesn't alter the fact that hazard DIVED as he has done all season.(shame really as he doesn't need to, he could be a good player if he didn't CHEAT)

Lets see if you have the intelligence to spot your contradiction:

You stated the following:

....so called big clubs ALWAYS get help from the ref vs smaller clubs, everyone knows it

You then say:

We can all point to pens we should have had and didn't get

I thought your point was that Big clubs ALWAYS get help from refs against the small clubs.

What help did we get against Burnley??

Lets see if you can construct a contribution that doesn't involve an insult!

I don't think it is just about penalties, it is the decisions all over the pitch. Little fouls here, dodgy handball there. It has happened for years but, understandably, as you are a fan of a "big club" you don't agree it is all about perception.

I don't think there is any hard evidence that suggests ref decisions are any different for big or small clubs. We all feel aggrieved at times. In a Champions league semi final against Barcelona when we had 5 clear penalties

What I do accept is that in the past some managers were better than others at putting pressure on referees. Ferguson was the master at it.

However, refs know that now and actually some of them love the limelight. You just have to listen to ex-referees on the radio to see the ego's they have.

This can actually go against 'big teams'. Looking at key decisions this year that have influenced matches I don't see a pattern that favours the big sides. What I see is a lot of incompetent and arrogant refs who have little acknowledgment of their poor performances.

All fans feel they are hard done by. If you talk to Man Utd fans they would say they should have had a penalty against us, Liverpool fans complain about poor decisions in their game against Man Utd etc etc.

Yes its a perception. The point I am raising is that no evidence I have seen that suggests the refs today are favouring anyone. They are just incompetent.

I don't think it is just about penalties, it is the decisions all over the pitch. Little fouls here, dodgy handball there. It has happened for years but, understandably, as you are a fan of a "big club" you don't agree it is all about perception.

I don't think there is any hard evidence that suggests ref decisions are any different for big or small clubs. We all feel aggrieved at times. In a Champions league semi final against Barcelona when we had 5 clear penalties

What I do accept is that in the past some managers were better than others at putting pressure on referees. Ferguson was the master at it.

However, refs know that now and actually some of them love the limelight. You just have to listen to ex-referees on the radio to see the ego's they have.

This can actually go against 'big teams'. Looking at key decisions this year that have influenced matches I don't see a pattern that favours the big sides. What I see is a lot of incompetent and arrogant refs who have little acknowledgment of their poor performances.

All fans feel they are hard done by. If you talk to Man Utd fans they would say they should have had a penalty against us, Liverpool fans complain about poor decisions in their game against Man Utd etc etc.

Yes its a perception. The point I am raising is that no evidence I have seen that suggests the refs today are favouring anyone. They are just incompetent.

Ok no insults I just can't be bothered with your inane chelsea can do no wrong comments....just admit you support a team of cheats and divers, sadly they have no reason to be that way as they are in the main good players but just can't stop diving and cheating. If you're happy with that, good, I and many others are not...
You know and I know that the vast majority of big decisions go to the top 6 teams when playing smaller teams, whether due to incompetent referees or god forbid corrupt referees, but it happens. Look out for.our match v steven gerrard this weekend referee Moss= certain penalty to allow the godlike gerrard to score in his last anfield match....put money on it!

Firstly, I have never said Chelsea do no wrong. On the contrary if you read back (which lets be honest with 70 pages I wouldn't expect you to) you would realise that.

For the record, Ivanovic has dived 3 times this year which I totally disagree with. I don't think Hazard is a diver. I also don't think Costa is a diver. Oscar can go down far too easily - Southampton last year was just plain wrong.
Which players dive at Palace??
I don't accept that the vast amount of decisions go to big teams. That may be how your perceive it and undoubtedly you have had some poor decisions this year, but as I pointed out so have we.

I don't think there is any hard evidence that suggests ref decisions are any different for big or small clubs. We all feel aggrieved at times. In a Champions league semi final against Barcelona when we had 5 clear penalties

What I do accept is that in the past some managers were better than others at putting pressure on referees. Ferguson was the master at it.

However, refs know that now and actually some of them love the limelight. You just have to listen to ex-referees on the radio to see the ego's they have.

This can actually go against 'big teams'. Looking at key decisions this year that have influenced matches I don't see a pattern that favours the big sides. What I see is a lot of incompetent and arrogant refs who have little acknowledgment of their poor performances.

All fans feel they are hard done by. If you talk to Man Utd fans they would say they should have had a penalty against us, Liverpool fans complain about poor decisions in their game against Man Utd etc etc.

Yes its a perception. The point I am raising is that no evidence I have seen that suggests the refs today are favouring anyone. They are just incompetent.

Ok no insults I just can't be bothered with your inane chelsea can do no wrong comments....just admit you support a team of cheats and divers, sadly they have no reason to be that way as they are in the main good players but just can't stop diving and cheating. If you're happy with that, good, I and many others are not...
You know and I know that the vast majority of big decisions go to the top 6 teams when playing smaller teams, whether due to incompetent referees or god forbid corrupt referees, but it happens. Look out for.our match v steven gerrard this weekend referee Moss= certain penalty to allow the godlike gerrard to score in his last anfield match....put money on it!

Firstly, I have never said Chelsea do no wrong. On the contrary if you read back (which lets be honest with 70 pages I wouldn't expect you to) you would realise that.

For the record, Ivanovic has dived 3 times this year which I totally disagree with. I don't think Hazard is a diver. I also don't think Costa is a diver. Oscar can go down far too easily - Southampton last year was just plain wrong.
Which players dive at Palace??
I don't accept that the vast amount of decisions go to big teams. That may be how your perceive it and undoubtedly you have had some poor decisions this year, but as I pointed out so have we.

Ok well agree to disagree.....hazard is a diver.ivanovic too....costa no idea and couldn't care less...oscaar is a diver....mmmmm 3 from 11 ain't bad!!! Still never mind eh? You got what you want so did we, we stayed up again....

By my definition (and to me it seems logical), anyone who goes over having not been knocked off his feet has dived. Surely that's what the word means. When pundits say "there's contact so he has every right to go over" it does my head in.

Every club has them (us included).

In fact, it's gone so far that players will now be criticised for not doing it ("if he'd gone over there it would have been a penalty").

I always hark back to Ronaldhino in his prime - I don't think I've ever seen a player try harder to stay on his feet. What should happen is the refs should be better and braver in awarding decisions despite players staying up.

Let's take the Hazard incident - I suspect he could have stayed up, I also suspect there was sufficient contact to probably warrant a penalty, so wouldn't it be better in all respects if the player stayed up, but the ref had the b@lls to note the contact and, if Hazard fails to score, bring it back and give the penalty. As far as entertainment goes, I'd rather see him ride a tackle and slot the ball in than collapse in a heap and score a penalty.

All the pundits would be going on about "soft penalties" but it would be much more entertaining (and I'd suggest fairer).

The Punch one is another example - went down far too easy, but the player did block his leg from moving - if he hadn't gone over the ref wouldn't have awarded a pen in a million years, but throwing himself to the floor meant there was at least a chance (I've seen them given).

I think the laws have to be stricter - 'simulation' is surely defined as going over intentionally when you don't have to, and should be punished - but it should also be coupled with directives to refs to give what they see, not what the player shows to them, enabling players to use the advantage of staying up in the knowledge that there's a good chance the ref will pull play back should it not work out.

Edited by npn (14 May 2015 9.30am)

Well said pinky.