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Stirlingsays 13 May 23 10.33am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
As he has been shown, by those better qualified than he is, to be misinterpreting statistics and misrepresenting conclusions, there is not a lot of truth to be found in his videos. The truth is he has been busted. We will have to see how deeply that fact penetrates into the minds of those gullible enough to be indoctrinated by the propaganda being circulated by those who devise these conspiracy theories and spread by those able to profit from them. I don't see much hope of a new dawn anytime soon! Who benefits from conspiracy theories that divide and unsettle Western democracies? Including conspiracy theories about such worthy characters as Bill Gates and George Soros. Answers inside a Matryoshka. Nothing you say here is true.
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eaglesdare 13 May 23 10.41am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I have never denied that you don't think they are legitimate. Obviously, you do, but as they aren't real, you are worrying about things unnecessarily. These are not legitimate concerns. They have all been answered and there is no need for anyone to take them seriously. The failures here are that not enough has been done to reassure the obsessively sceptical, like it appears you are, alongside not enough being done to restrict the flow of disinformation bombarding you. Seed funding scientific research in a capitalistic society works. The profit motive drives innovation and discovery. You either believe in capitalism, or you don't. I do. Peer review is an essential part of the other side of the coin, which is to check and make sure that what is released is real and thoroughly tested. It is the journal intending to publish the study that appoints the 2 sets of independent peer reviewers. They pay them. Not the original researchers. As the journals themselves have high standards and reputations to protect there is no reason to doubt the integrity of this process. It is, after all, only the first stage. Before release, several regulatory hurdles must be overcome. My concerns are real. If they affect my health then they are real. If somthing affects your health would you not also be concerned?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 May 23 1.57pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Nothing you say here is true. Thanks for confirming my prediction.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 May 23 2.12pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
My concerns are real. If they affect my health then they are real. If somthing affects your health would you not also be concerned? Unless you have been medically diagnosed as unfit to be vaccinated they won't affect your health. If you were so diagnosed you wouldn't simply be concerned about vaccination, you would be ineligible to receive them, and subjected to additional scrutiny. If you had any kind of adverse reaction to a previous vaccination then additional checks would be made before another. I just happened to have had my Spring booster today, 90 mins ago. The nurse went through a checklist prior to administration that included questions on reactions. Which in my case is none. I asked her what they are and apparently some people report tiredness or a sore arm, for a day or two. I get tired too, but because I am 78. I asked about more severe reactions and was told that none had yet been seen at our Surgery, which serves over 3,000 patients or in their "cluster" of 7 surgeries which look after the whole Truro area. So I fail to see how you can conclude that vaccination might affect your health. It has to be the result of a fevered imagination and/or misinformation.
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Stirlingsays 13 May 23 3.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Thanks for confirming my prediction. You're welcome Mystic Meg.
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eaglesdare 13 May 23 3.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Unless you have been medically diagnosed as unfit to be vaccinated they won't affect your health. If you were so diagnosed you wouldn't simply be concerned about vaccination, you would be ineligible to receive them, and subjected to additional scrutiny. If you had any kind of adverse reaction to a previous vaccination then additional checks would be made before another. I just happened to have had my Spring booster today, 90 mins ago. The nurse went through a checklist prior to administration that included questions on reactions. Which in my case is none. I asked her what they are and apparently some people report tiredness or a sore arm, for a day or two. I get tired too, but because I am 78. I asked about more severe reactions and was told that none had yet been seen at our Surgery, which serves over 3,000 patients or in their "cluster" of 7 surgeries which look after the whole Truro area. So I fail to see how you can conclude that vaccination might affect your health. It has to be the result of a fevered imagination and/or misinformation.
I made a decision that also affects my health. And the benefits for me for not getting the vaccine far outweigh that of getting it. I have looked at the side effects and dangers of the vaccine. Many of these are listed already. I have heard from many people who have had side effects. My concerns are legitimate.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 May 23 5.19pm | |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
I made a decision that also affects my health. And the benefits for me for not getting the vaccine far outweigh that of getting it. I have looked at the side effects and dangers of the vaccine. Many of these are listed already. I have heard from many people who have had side effects. My concerns are legitimate. In not answering my questions you implicitly confirm what I have said. Your concerns are not based on anything clinical at all. They only exist inside your head based on what “people” have told you. I think it’s fair to assume they aren’t the kind of people who have told me things. I know a lot of people and only one has ever reported any kind of problem, which was a sore arm. He though is a hypercondriact. I suspect you might be too. The side effects are minor and easily handled. There are very rare occurrences of more serious ones but that’s true of every procedure, and they are far outweighed by the risk of catching Covid. Would you refuse having your gum numbed when having a filling? People suffer rare complications from that. I suffered lockjaw for 3 months from the injection and had to eat through a straw. Only yesterday my wife was dealing with a patient who may lose her sight because a dentist injected into an artery. Rare, but possible.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 May 23 5.21pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
You're welcome Mystic Meg. Mysticism not required. Just boring familiarity with the attitude.
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georgenorman 13 May 23 5.40pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
In not answering my questions you implicitly confirm what I have said. Your concerns are not based on anything clinical at all. They only exist inside your head based on what “people” have told you. I think it’s fair to assume they aren’t the kind of people who have told me things. I know a lot of people and only one has ever reported any kind of problem, which was a sore arm. He though is a hypercondriact. I suspect you might be too. The side effects are minor and easily handled. There are very rare occurrences of more serious ones but that’s true of every procedure, and they are far outweighed by the risk of catching Covid. Would you refuse having your gum numbed when having a filling? People suffer rare complications from that. I suffered lockjaw for 3 months from the injection and had to eat through a straw. Only yesterday my wife was dealing with a patient who may lose her sight because a dentist injected into an artery. Rare, but possible. Does anyone know if there is a side-effect that stops people posting on football forums?
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eaglesdare 13 May 23 5.48pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
In not answering my questions you implicitly confirm what I have said. Your concerns are not based on anything clinical at all. They only exist inside your head based on what “people” have told you. I think it’s fair to assume they aren’t the kind of people who have told me things. I know a lot of people and only one has ever reported any kind of problem, which was a sore arm. He though is a hypercondriact. I suspect you might be too. The side effects are minor and easily handled. There are very rare occurrences of more serious ones but that’s true of every procedure, and they are far outweighed by the risk of catching Covid. Would you refuse having your gum numbed when having a filling? People suffer rare complications from that. I suffered lockjaw for 3 months from the injection and had to eat through a straw. Only yesterday my wife was dealing with a patient who may lose her sight because a dentist injected into an artery. Rare, but possible.
In regards to the vaccine I looked at the risks and side effects. And determined that I do not accept the risk of getting it. As is my absolute right. My concerns are based on the side effects already listed and on many government and NHS sources I already provided. There is risks. What happens if I decided to get it and I am that 1 in a million person who gets a heart issue and dies from it. You would say oh well you were aware of the risks and all that. At the end of the day my concerns are legitimate as are yours. Why can't you accept my decision? Clearly you must not believe in bodily autonomy or a person's right to do what they want with their body?
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Stirlingsays 13 May 23 5.56pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Mysticism not required. Just boring familiarity with the attitude. Some might say that's rather ironic.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 May 23 9.43pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
Does anyone know if there is a side-effect that stops people posting on football forums? Unnecessary as you stop anytime you want to. Fingers crossed!
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