Google does hold all you need. Maybe you should do it yourself. I have so I do know it started with black men putting black men , women and children into slavery. Whites just happened to realise the benefits. ( for want of a better description of the times).

They don't care.

There will always be a percent of the left, especially the globalist egalitarian demographic who see you in those terms. Partly because that tactic has been so successful for them in intimidating opposition and partly because they believe it.

It's a different language. In some senses both camps are right in what they think of the other.

For example, you could call them commies and most of them would disagree with you. But it would be true in extent that compared to us, they believe in some of the same aspects of communism for us to say the differences are moot (even though in reality it's a weird middle class neo communism (where they never actually live as communists...fiscal capitalism, cultural Marxism)).

In the same way, how they think of race and culture means that compared to them we are racist and bigots.

I say whatever, it doesn't really matter what they think. The right really needs to stop worrying about what the left think....It's partly what has led to this mess in the first place.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jan 2023 7.12pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Not sure comparing the Spanish and English Armadas is valid.

The Spanish Armada was an invasion fleet, its goal was regime change. Elizabeth would have been deposed a puppet monarchy installed and the country would have been forced back into Catholicism all under the thumb of the Spanish.

Spain was the naval super power of the day whilst England was a minnow and had only just started building a navy under Henry V111. The defeat of the armada ensured our country's independence so is rightly talked up in the history books.

The victory was largely down to bad weather and fire ships, never the less the goal of the English fleet was to stop the Spanish talking control of the channel so the invasion barges from Holland could safely cross and this they achieved.

Spain did not make another serious attempt at invasion so I don't agree it was all propaganda. Yes of course Elizabeth lorded her success what country doesn't.

The English Armada was not an invasion but a raid to ensure that the Spanish did not try again and yes it failed. However in the scheme of things it is not historically significant which is why it probably isn't mentioned that much except by the Spanish.

If the raid has succeeded it is possible that England would have ruled the waves earlier but I doubt that Spain was still too rich and too strong it would take England another 100 years to gain the upper hand.

One more point

Perhaps, but with the benefit of hindsight it didn't matter that much. There was no regime change or major political upheaval in England due to its failure.

The English and Spanish continued to have naval battles and proxy wars for the next 200 years until we finally overpowered them.

I agree it shouldn't be ignored but clearly the impact of the failure of Spain to invade and conquer England was far more important.

Edited by Badger11 (12 Jan 2023 9.59pm)

One more point

It is also notable what happened to the British sailors during and after the engagement. Left to rot on ships riven with disease. Eventually sent home, mostly sick, with no pay. That is a major part of the real history. Airbrushed out as an inconvenient truth.

Stupid post. Just tell the story as objectively as possible. Including Elizabeth’s dodgy deals with Drake. Looks like he took after his father. Probably learned at his knee.