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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 Sep 15 4.55pm

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Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them?

This is emotive hogwash and claptrap to boot.

Regards welfare, spending has to be put on a sustainable footing. Britain is home to 1 per cent of the world’s population, generates 4 per cent of the world’s economy,; and yet pays out 7 per cent of all the welfare spending.

What about the introduction of a new National Living wage ? And the support for working people with lower taxes, with people being able to earn £11,000 (From next year) before they have to pay tax ?
I could go on and on and probably bore all and sundry !

We simply HAVE to move from a low wage, high tax, high welfare economy to a higher wage, lower tax and a lower welfare society.At the end of the day a strong economy is needed in Britain's interests and we cannot progress as a country if the economy is weak.

What would your solution be for people that can't work, because of a genuine physical or mental disability, but have been declared fit to? Just let them die (like the thousands that already have)?


Where is your evidence that genuine physically and mentally disabled people incapable of work are being declared fit to work?

There may be the odd cock-up, but there is no en-masse round up of these people to force them into labour.

The purpose of welfare reform is to get the scroungers and benefit cheats dealt with. The genuinely needy cases will continue to receive benefits.

You are just scaremongering.


Ermm, have you not been reading the news at all mate?

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Hardly 'the odd case here and there'.


Headline says Thousands.... First line says 90 per month.

Each case has been investigated thoroughly and the causal link to death was the fact that they were forced to go to work which killed them was it? Very unlikely.

I don't work... I have Parkinson's disease... I don't claim benefits either.

However if I did and I was assessed for work, there is no way I would allow the assessor to come to a conclusion I was fit for work.

Assessments can be subjective, but GENUINE cases where people are unable to work physically or mentally are not being forced into labour.


Sorry, Hoof...

"More than a third of people with degenerative conditions such as Parkinson’s and multiple sclerosis are having their benefits slashed because the Department for Work and Pensions deems they will recover enough to look for work.

Thousands of those with diseases that only worsen with time - and who have become too ill to work - are being denied full Employment Support Allowance. Instead they are assessed as suitable for work-related activity which is designed for people likely to recover to the point where they can seek employment.

People in The Work-Related Activity Group receive less money and the threat of sanctions if they do not attend regular sessions. Many also have this benefit removed after a year as an added “incentive” to find employment.


Steve Ford, Chief Executive at Parkinson’s UK, said: “These latest figures are an utter disgrace and serve to underline just how little the Government cares for those with progressive conditions like Parkinson’s. To set up a system which tells people who’ve had to give up work because of a debilitating, progressive condition that they’ll recover, is humiliating and nothing short of a farce."

The Independent


Obviously the assessors criteria need tweaking then.

I am confident that Cameron et al have not designed these assessments to deliberate fail genuine disability cases such as MS and Parkinsons.

They must not have engaged properly with the medical profession, as both these diseases are degenerative without a known cure - you do not recover.

The government need lobbying on this and any other conditions that are being wrongly assessed.

As I said earlier, it is the intention to catch out the workshy and the cheats, not the genuinely disabled.

They gave the intitial contract to ATOS who replaced GP's as those required to certify if someone is fit for work.
ATOS got more money if more peoples' claims were rejected...

 

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Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s*** out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever.

Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say.

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am)


Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they?


You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing.


Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am)


And children continue to die in Gaza at the moment due to the blockade Israel is placing Palestine under, preventing vital medical and humanitarian aid reaching those in need. Bombing is merely the most visible way in which the Israelis are persecuting their neighbours.


The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons.

All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted.


That doesn't explain away similar actions by the Israeli Government towards the Palestinian people in The West Bank though. Nor the hundreds of other state crimes committed before Hamas even existed. Collectively punishing a people for the deeds of a minority is always done by sh1theads.


Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough.

Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty

 

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Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s*** out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever.

Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say.

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am)


Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they?


You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing.


Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am)


And children continue to die in Gaza at the moment due to the blockade Israel is placing Palestine under, preventing vital medical and humanitarian aid reaching those in need. Bombing is merely the most visible way in which the Israelis are persecuting their neighbours.


The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons.

All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted.


That doesn't explain away similar actions by the Israeli Government towards the Palestinian people in The West Bank though. Nor the hundreds of other state crimes committed before Hamas even existed. Collectively punishing a people for the deeds of a minority is always done by sh1theads.


Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough.

Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty


You had to be there..........

We've done that topic to death.

 

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Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them?

This is emotive hogwash and claptrap to boot.

Regards welfare, spending has to be put on a sustainable footing. Britain is home to 1 per cent of the world’s population, generates 4 per cent of the world’s economy,; and yet pays out 7 per cent of all the welfare spending.

What about the introduction of a new National Living wage ? And the support for working people with lower taxes, with people being able to earn £11,000 (From next year) before they have to pay tax ?
I could go on and on and probably bore all and sundry !

We simply HAVE to move from a low wage, high tax, high welfare economy to a higher wage, lower tax and a lower welfare society.At the end of the day a strong economy is needed in Britain's interests and we cannot progress as a country if the economy is weak.


You haven't fallen for that have you. No more money goes to the worker. All it does is mean the government can withdraw benefit nothing more. It is entirely right that companies aren't subsidized by the tax payer for paying poverty wages but don't be falled this does anything for the poorest

 

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Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am

Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s*** out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever.

Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say.

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am)


Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they?


You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing.


Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am)


And children continue to die in Gaza at the moment due to the blockade Israel is placing Palestine under, preventing vital medical and humanitarian aid reaching those in need. Bombing is merely the most visible way in which the Israelis are persecuting their neighbours.


The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons.

All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted.


That doesn't explain away similar actions by the Israeli Government towards the Palestinian people in The West Bank though. Nor the hundreds of other state crimes committed before Hamas even existed. Collectively punishing a people for the deeds of a minority is always done by sh1theads.


Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough.

Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty


You had to be there..........

We've done that topic to death.


I am not reopening Hillsborough I am sure it was done to death, I want you to tell me why the "scousers are guilty"

And we don't have "had to be there" because we know two things

1. The stadium didn't have a safety certificate and
2. The policeman in charge on the day said he wasn't up to the job and hadn't been briefed. It was him that opened the gates at the lepping lane end

So again why are you having a pop at the families of the bereaved who are entirely innocent.


I am guessing you are not following the inquiry

 

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Way to stay on topic guys.

If you want to discuss Israel and Palestine or Hillsborough or ATOS, go and put them in those threads or make new ones.

 


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Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s*** out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever.

Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say.

Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am)


Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they?


You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing.


Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am)


And children continue to die in Gaza at the moment due to the blockade Israel is placing Palestine under, preventing vital medical and humanitarian aid reaching those in need. Bombing is merely the most visible way in which the Israelis are persecuting their neighbours.


The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons.

All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted.


That doesn't explain away similar actions by the Israeli Government towards the Palestinian people in The West Bank though. Nor the hundreds of other state crimes committed before Hamas even existed. Collectively punishing a people for the deeds of a minority is always done by sh1theads.


Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough.

Sorry? In what way are the "scousers" guilty


You had to be there..........

We've done that topic to death.


I am not reopening Hillsborough I am sure it was done to death, I want you to tell me why the "scousers are guilty"

And we don't have "had to be there" because we know two things

1. The stadium didn't have a safety certificate and
2. The policeman in charge on the day said he wasn't up to the job and hadn't been briefed. It was him that opened the gates at the lepping lane end

So again why are you having a pop at the families of the bereaved who are entirely innocent.


I am guessing you are not following the inquiry


Err, you wrote that.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 Sep 15 5.47pm

I've read that Nigel Dodds MP (who stood up in the House of Commons and condemned John McDonnell and was solemnly 'seconded' by Cameron,), attended a wake for Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) leader John Bingham.

Of course Dave, who is against all forms of terrorism is on the case. Isn't he?

 

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To hear John McDonnell claiming that he wants his party to be open and honest and avoid Ya bo politics is frankly nauseating.
He then went on to do exactly the opposite throughout QT.

What really annoys me is that he thinks that the electorate are stupid enough to actually believe him.

Some are I suppose.

His explanation for Corbyn not singing the anthem was laughable.

Don't get me started on Sandy Toksvig.


Hold the front page! There are duplicitous cvnts in front bench politics! As for Sandy - unlikely.


Yes we know. But to try and pretend that your party is going to be "honest" in your best sincere voice is just too much.

I was nearly sick.

 

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Corbyn reminds me of a harmless old metal work teacher I used to suffer the odd hours tedium with at school.
thick gruby cord strides.
would moan a lot about nothing to do with what he was meant to be on about, then tell you to get on with it and sit down & piss himself(slightly)


You post that that you worked in appalling conditions but loved it...maybe your employee didn't piss in your pocket but I have a suspicious it would have made no difference. You would have fetched the stick just as quickly with the extra weight to prove loyalty.

And then post disparaging remarks about Corbyn's style because they don't tie up with the media manager's view of how politics should be done.

The difference between you are people who voted for Corbyn is they don't buy the bulls*** churned out by the press and and advertisers, while it's what you regard as your five-a-day.

Maybe you have got things back to front a bit. Is the media over influencing you? I would put good money on you always buying the washing powder that was advertised just before you went shopping. I bet you wonder around shopping centers smelling of Linx thinking you are about to be mobbed by bikini clad girls!

 

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Corbyn reminds me of a harmless old metal work teacher I used to suffer the odd hours tedium with at school.
thick gruby cord strides.
would moan a lot about nothing to do with what he was meant to be on about, then tell you to get on with it and sit down & piss himself(slightly)


You post that that you worked in appalling conditions but loved it...maybe your employee didn't piss in your pocket but I have a suspicious it would have made no difference. You would have fetched the stick just as quickly with the extra weight to prove loyalty.

And then post disparaging remarks about Corbyn's style because they don't tie up with the media manager's view of how politics should be done.

The difference between you are people who voted for Corbyn is they don't buy the bulls*** churned out by the press and and advertisers, while it's what you regard as your five-a-day.

Maybe you have got things back to front a bit. Is the media over influencing you? I would put good money on you always buying the washing powder that was advertised just before you went shopping. I bet you wonder around shopping centers smelling of Linx thinking you are about to be mobbed by bikini clad girls!


 


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Quote nickgusset at 18 Sep 2015 5.47pm

I've read that Nigel Dodds MP (who stood up in the House of Commons and condemned John McDonnell and was solemnly 'seconded' by Cameron,), attended a wake for Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) leader John Bingham.

Of course Dave, who is against all forms of terrorism is on the case. Isn't he?


The UVF weren't killing innocent British people in shopping centres...

 


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