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Stirlingsays 21 Aug 15 11.49am
Quote Kermit8 at 21 Aug 2015 10.27am By far the worst peado gang I can recall where all white British.they still haven't found all the children's bodies yet and I'm not talking about the moors murderers. So if the Rotherham lot are paedos because they are pakistani then the other lot must be paedos because they are White and British. It must be in our culture. Edited by Kermit8 (21 Aug 2015 10.31am) It's in all cultures of course. The charge is that the cultural and political nature of the modern left has to take some responsibility for what happened in Rotherham. The suspicion is that if the culture of these services was on a more no nonsense, less 'culturally sensitive' footing then it's far more likely that this would have been caught far sooner. I think there is some validity to this. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote Kermit8 at 21 Aug 2015 10.27am

By far the worst peado gang I can recall where all white British.they still haven't found all the children's bodies yet and I'm not talking about the moors murderers.

So if the Rotherham lot are paedos because they are pakistani then the other lot must be paedos because they are White and British. It must be in our culture.

Edited by Kermit8 (21 Aug 2015 10.31am)

It's in all cultures of course.

The charge is that the cultural and political nature of the modern left has to take some responsibility for what happened in Rotherham.

The suspicion is that if the culture of these services was on a more no nonsense, less 'culturally sensitive' footing then it's far more likely that this would have been caught far sooner.

I think there is some validity to this.

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Kermit8 Hevon 21 Aug 15 12.08pm
G Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Aug 2015 11.49am Quote Kermit8 at 21 Aug 2015 10.27am By far the worst peado gang I can recall where all white British.they still haven't found all the children's bodies yet and I'm not talking about the moors murderers. So if the Rotherham lot are paedos because they are pakistani then the other lot must be paedos because they are White and British. It must be in our culture. Edited by Kermit8 (21 Aug 2015 10.31am) It's in all cultures of course. The charge is that the cultural and political nature of the modern left has to take some responsibility for what happened in Rotherham. The suspicion is that if the culture of these services was on a more no nonsense, less 'culturally sensitive' footing then it's far more likely that this would have been caught far sooner. I think there is some validity to this. I blame the U.S. promoting and exporting political correctness in the late 70's and, on a different note, the sue for any minor misdemeanour and compensation culture too. I also blame the right-wing who came into power here around the same time for doing nothing about it and, thus, tacitly encouraging it. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Aug 2015 11.49am

Quote Kermit8 at 21 Aug 2015 10.27am

By far the worst peado gang I can recall where all white British.they still haven't found all the children's bodies yet and I'm not talking about the moors murderers.

So if the Rotherham lot are paedos because they are pakistani then the other lot must be paedos because they are White and British. It must be in our culture.

Edited by Kermit8 (21 Aug 2015 10.31am)

It's in all cultures of course.

The charge is that the cultural and political nature of the modern left has to take some responsibility for what happened in Rotherham.

The suspicion is that if the culture of these services was on a more no nonsense, less 'culturally sensitive' footing then it's far more likely that this would have been caught far sooner.

I think there is some validity to this.

I blame the U.S. promoting and exporting political correctness in the late 70's and, on a different note, the sue for any minor misdemeanour and compensation culture too. I also blame the right-wing who came into power here around the same time for doing nothing about it and, thus, tacitly encouraging it.

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TheJudge 21 Aug 15 12.11pm
It might be fair to point out that we are discussing Britain here, which is overwhelmingly white in most areas. The pakistani community represents only a few percent of the population yet people among their number have been responsible for numerous multiple sexual abuse cases around the country. There is a major problem here that we have imported and no amount of political correctness should stop people from saying so. These kind of circumstances appear to justify those who were afraid that mass immigration would bring us a whole host of problems that we didn't have before. The liberal left always have some argument lined up for denial and play the race card as usual, but facts are facts. Edited by TheJudge (21 Aug 2015 12.12pm)
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It might be fair to point out that we are discussing Britain here, which is overwhelmingly white in most areas.
The pakistani community represents only a few percent of the population yet people among their number have been responsible for numerous multiple sexual abuse cases around the country.

There is a major problem here that we have imported and no amount of political correctness should stop people from saying so.
These kind of circumstances appear to justify those who were afraid that mass immigration would bring us a whole host of problems that we didn't have before.
The liberal left always have some argument lined up for denial and play the race card as usual, but facts are facts.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Aug 15 12.13pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Aug 2015 11.49am Quote Kermit8 at 21 Aug 2015 10.27am By far the worst peado gang I can recall where all white British.they still haven't found all the children's bodies yet and I'm not talking about the moors murderers. So if the Rotherham lot are paedos because they are pakistani then the other lot must be paedos because they are White and British. It must be in our culture. Edited by Kermit8 (21 Aug 2015 10.31am) It's in all cultures of course. The charge is that the cultural and political nature of the modern left has to take some responsibility for what happened in Rotherham. The suspicion is that if the culture of these services was on a more no nonsense, less 'culturally sensitive' footing then it's far more likely that this would have been caught far sooner. I think there is some validity to this. I disagree, the responsibility for the failure doesn't lie with anyone except those who failed to perform their duties and jobs. I don't see that the modern left has somehow made it acceptable to duck responsibilities if someone shouts 'race' or plays the 'race card', which is exactly what is happening here (the race card in reverse). I notice the police aren't afraid of being termed racist so much that they ceased using stop and search or conducting anti-terrorist raids and surveillance. The 'racist' aspect is a cop out. Just like institutional racism was with the met, because the truth is that we as a society don't give a s**t about kids in care or at risk, unless we're forced to. Decade on decade, it seems to have been the attitude that if its kids that people don't care about, very little is ever done. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Stirlingsays at 21 Aug 2015 11.49am

Quote Kermit8 at 21 Aug 2015 10.27am

By far the worst peado gang I can recall where all white British.they still haven't found all the children's bodies yet and I'm not talking about the moors murderers.

So if the Rotherham lot are paedos because they are pakistani then the other lot must be paedos because they are White and British. It must be in our culture.

Edited by Kermit8 (21 Aug 2015 10.31am)

It's in all cultures of course.

The charge is that the cultural and political nature of the modern left has to take some responsibility for what happened in Rotherham.

The suspicion is that if the culture of these services was on a more no nonsense, less 'culturally sensitive' footing then it's far more likely that this would have been caught far sooner.

I think there is some validity to this.

I disagree, the responsibility for the failure doesn't lie with anyone except those who failed to perform their duties and jobs. I don't see that the modern left has somehow made it acceptable to duck responsibilities if someone shouts 'race' or plays the 'race card', which is exactly what is happening here (the race card in reverse).

I notice the police aren't afraid of being termed racist so much that they ceased using stop and search or conducting anti-terrorist raids and surveillance.

The 'racist' aspect is a cop out. Just like institutional racism was with the met, because the truth is that we as a society don't give a s**t about kids in care or at risk, unless we're forced to. Decade on decade, it seems to have been the attitude that if its kids that people don't care about, very little is ever done.

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Kermit8 Hevon 21 Aug 15 12.15pm
Quote TheJudge at 21 Aug 2015 12.11pm It might be fair to point out that we are discussing Britain here, which is overwhelmingly white in most areas. The pakistani community represents only a few percent of the population yet people among their number have been responsible for numerous multiple sexual abuse cases around the country. There is a major problem here that we have imported and no amount of political correctness should stop people from saying so. These kind of circumstances appear to justify those who were afraid that mass immigration would bring us a whole host of problems that we didn't have before. The liberal left always have some argument lined up for denial and play the race card as usual, but facts are facts. Edited by TheJudge (21 Aug 2015 12.12pm) What you saying is is that it is disproportionate. It's at this point that you need to back it up with some evidence. Not saying you are wrong. It is you who is playing the race card btw. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote TheJudge at 21 Aug 2015 12.11pm

Edited by TheJudge (21 Aug 2015 12.12pm)

What you saying is is that it is disproportionate. It's at this point that you need to back it up with some evidence. Not saying you are wrong. It is you who is playing the race card btw.

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TheJudge 21 Aug 15 12.19pm
Quote Kermit8 at 21 Aug 2015 12.15pm Quote TheJudge at 21 Aug 2015 12.11pm It might be fair to point out that we are discussing Britain here, which is overwhelmingly white in most areas. The pakistani community represents only a few percent of the population yet people among their number have been responsible for numerous multiple sexual abuse cases around the country. There is a major problem here that we have imported and no amount of political correctness should stop people from saying so. These kind of circumstances appear to justify those who were afraid that mass immigration would bring us a whole host of problems that we didn't have before. The liberal left always have some argument lined up for denial and play the race card as usual, but facts are facts. Edited by TheJudge (21 Aug 2015 12.12pm) What you saying is is that it is disproportionate. It's at this point that you need to back it up with some evidence. Not saying you are wrong. It is you who is playing the race card btw. The evidence speaks for itself. Take the number of convictions for pakistani men and divide it by the population. It's not difficult. It is your type of attitude that allowed the whole business to go on for so long.
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Quote Kermit8 at 21 Aug 2015 12.15pm

Quote TheJudge at 21 Aug 2015 12.11pm

Edited by TheJudge (21 Aug 2015 12.12pm)

What you saying is is that it is disproportionate. It's at this point that you need to back it up with some evidence. Not saying you are wrong. It is you who is playing the race card btw.

The evidence speaks for itself. Take the number of convictions for pakistani men and divide it by the population. It's not difficult.
It is your type of attitude that allowed the whole business to go on for so long.

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Stirlingsays 21 Aug 15 12.20pm
Quote Kermit8 at 21 Aug 2015 12.08pm I blame the U.S. promoting and exporting political correctness in the late 70's and, on a different note, the sue for any minor misdemeanour and compensation culture too. I also blame the right-wing who came into power here around the same time for doing nothing about it and, thus, tacitly encouraging it. Politically correct attitudes are the fault of the right wing? Blimey Kermy. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Quote Kermit8 at 21 Aug 2015 12.08pm

Politically correct attitudes are the fault of the right wing?

Blimey Kermy.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Aug 15 12.26pm
Quote TheJudge at 21 Aug 2015 12.11pm It might be fair to point out that we are discussing Britain here, which is overwhelmingly white in most areas. The pakistani community represents only a few percent of the population yet people among their number have been responsible for numerous multiple sexual abuse cases around the country. There is a major problem here that we have imported and no amount of political correctness should stop people from saying so. These kind of circumstances appear to justify those who were afraid that mass immigration would bring us a whole host of problems that we didn't have before. The liberal left always have some argument lined up for denial and play the race card as usual, but facts are facts. Edited by TheJudge (21 Aug 2015 12.12pm) You're probably of course talking about 20-40 individuals in a population of around 1.5 depending on how you want to define that grouping. So again, you're talking about several high profile cases, in which a very small percentage of a community committed terrible offences, and then projecting that as a damning to the whole community. Around 2500 people are convicted of child sex offences in any given year, out of something like 85,000 cited victims (based on child abuse support groups) of which 22,000 cases are reported to the police. 4100 of the cases reported will end up in court. 2500 will result in a conviction. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote TheJudge at 21 Aug 2015 12.11pm

Edited by TheJudge (21 Aug 2015 12.12pm)

You're probably of course talking about 20-40 individuals in a population of around 1.5 depending on how you want to define that grouping. So again, you're talking about several high profile cases, in which a very small percentage of a community committed terrible offences, and then projecting that as a damning to the whole community.

Around 2500 people are convicted of child sex offences in any given year, out of something like 85,000 cited victims (based on child abuse support groups) of which 22,000 cases are reported to the police.

4100 of the cases reported will end up in court.

2500 will result in a conviction.

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ghosteagle 21 Aug 15 12.29pm
Quote TheJudge at 21 Aug 2015 12.19pm Quote Kermit8 at 21 Aug 2015 12.15pm Quote TheJudge at 21 Aug 2015 12.11pm It might be fair to point out that we are discussing Britain here, which is overwhelmingly white in most areas. The pakistani community represents only a few percent of the population yet people among their number have been responsible for numerous multiple sexual abuse cases around the country. There is a major problem here that we have imported and no amount of political correctness should stop people from saying so. These kind of circumstances appear to justify those who were afraid that mass immigration would bring us a whole host of problems that we didn't have before. The liberal left always have some argument lined up for denial and play the race card as usual, but facts are facts. Edited by TheJudge (21 Aug 2015 12.12pm) What you saying is is that it is disproportionate. It's at this point that you need to back it up with some evidence. Not saying you are wrong. It is you who is playing the race card btw. The evidence speaks for itself. Take the number of convictions for pakistani men and divide it by the population. It's not difficult. It is your type of attitude that allowed the whole business to go on for so long. Indeed, asking for evidence is not what is needed.
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21 Aug 15 12.29pm

Quote TheJudge at 21 Aug 2015 12.19pm

Quote Kermit8 at 21 Aug 2015 12.15pm

Quote TheJudge at 21 Aug 2015 12.11pm

Edited by TheJudge (21 Aug 2015 12.12pm)

What you saying is is that it is disproportionate. It's at this point that you need to back it up with some evidence. Not saying you are wrong. It is you who is playing the race card btw.

The evidence speaks for itself. Take the number of convictions for pakistani men and divide it by the population. It's not difficult.
It is your type of attitude that allowed the whole business to go on for so long.

Indeed, asking for evidence is not what is needed.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Aug 15 1.08pm
Quote TheJudge at 21 Aug 2015 12.19pm Quote Kermit8 at 21 Aug 2015 12.15pm Quote TheJudge at 21 Aug 2015 12.11pm It might be fair to point out that we are discussing Britain here, which is overwhelmingly white in most areas. The pakistani community represents only a few percent of the population yet people among their number have been responsible for numerous multiple sexual abuse cases around the country. There is a major problem here that we have imported and no amount of political correctness should stop people from saying so. These kind of circumstances appear to justify those who were afraid that mass immigration would bring us a whole host of problems that we didn't have before. The liberal left always have some argument lined up for denial and play the race card as usual, but facts are facts. Edited by TheJudge (21 Aug 2015 12.12pm) What you saying is is that it is disproportionate. It's at this point that you need to back it up with some evidence. Not saying you are wrong. It is you who is playing the race card btw. The evidence speaks for itself. Take the number of convictions for pakistani men and divide it by the population. It's not difficult. It is your type of attitude that allowed the whole business to go on for so long. About 0.003% rounded up, give or take. In fact if we take every conviction in the UK for Child Sex Offences (including Scotland but not NI), it would be 0.16% of the 'pakistani' population. The evidence really doesn't speak for itself at all. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote TheJudge at 21 Aug 2015 12.19pm

Quote Kermit8 at 21 Aug 2015 12.15pm

Quote TheJudge at 21 Aug 2015 12.11pm

Edited by TheJudge (21 Aug 2015 12.12pm)

What you saying is is that it is disproportionate. It's at this point that you need to back it up with some evidence. Not saying you are wrong. It is you who is playing the race card btw.

About 0.003% rounded up, give or take.

In fact if we take every conviction in the UK for Child Sex Offences (including Scotland but not NI), it would be 0.16% of the 'pakistani' population.
The evidence really doesn't speak for itself at all.

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leggedstruggle Croydon 21 Aug 15 1.13pm
Romanian thieves are behind 90% of UK cashpoint fraud. mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler
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Romanian thieves are behind 90% of UK cashpoint fraud.

mother-in-law is an anagram of woman hitler

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jamiemartin721 Reading 21 Aug 15 1.15pm
Quote leggedstruggle at 21 Aug 2015 1.13pm Romanian thieves are behind 90% of UK cashpoint fraud. You have a source for that right? "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote leggedstruggle at 21 Aug 2015 1.13pm

Romanian thieves are behind 90% of UK cashpoint fraud.

You have a source for that right?

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