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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 May 14 9.17am
Quote Stirlingsays at 21 May 2014 11.59pm The majority of Ukip's votes will be directed at the EU and the inaction and failed promises of politicians over immigration over decades... I believe you are absolutely right in that the majority who will vote UKIP will doing so because of their real issues with the EU and immigration. There are many Conservative who totally share these views but have an umblical cord attached to the party (So will not vote UKIP) and perhaps they will view a strong UKIP showing in the election as sending a powerful message out to the Mr Cameron and the Conservative Party.As such, perhaps they will not be too disappointed if UKIP do well in these elections ! Many believe that the so called UKIP "Supporters" in this election are dissatisfied Tories (On the EU and immigration) who will return to their natural 'Habitat' for the General Election next year when the 'Wider' issues come to the fore. Perhaps today's election is the referendum on the EU !
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South coast - west of Brighton. 22 May 14 9.17am

Quote Stirlingsays at 21 May 2014 11.59pm

The majority of Ukip's votes will be directed at the EU and the inaction and failed promises of politicians over immigration over decades...

I believe you are absolutely right in that the majority who will vote UKIP will doing so because of their real issues with the EU and immigration.

There are many Conservative who totally share these views but have an umblical cord attached to the party (So will not vote UKIP) and perhaps they will view a strong UKIP showing in the election as sending a powerful message out to the Mr Cameron and the Conservative Party.As such, perhaps they will not be too disappointed if UKIP do well in these elections !
Many believe that the so called UKIP "Supporters" in this election are dissatisfied Tories (On the EU and immigration) who will return to their natural 'Habitat' for the General Election next year when the 'Wider' issues come to the fore.
Perhaps today's election is the referendum on the EU !

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 May 14 9.46am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 8.38am Quote nickgusset at 21 May 2014 11.29pm There are two very significant ways in which the behaviour of UKIP MEPs work against Britian's interests. Sometimes legislation is proposed that would actually work in Britain's interests, yet their ideological voting habits mean that they end up voting against it, on the grounds that they don't want to EU to have more powers. An example could be legislation to allow EU member states to impose import taxes on products that are produced in conditions that would be illegal in the UK. Putting a tax on pork products from caged pigs, or eggs from battery hens in tiny cages (both illegal in the UK but widely practiced elsewhere in Europe) would help the British farming industry by preventing foreign farmers from undercutting their prices with barbaric animal welfare conditions. UKIP would probably belligerently vote against such a motion, even though the outcome would be positive for UK farmers and the UK economy. The other way that UKIP work against the British national interest is their appalling attendance record, which means that they often don't bother to turn up to vote at all. This means that legislation that is bad for British interests can scrape through simply because UKIP couldn't be bothered to actually vote against it. UKIP voters are so terminally confused that they think they're sticking their finger up at the establishment by voting for a party that adheres to the Tory ideology of Thatcherism, is bankrolled by former Tory party donors, is stuffed full of failed Tory politicians and is led by a privately educated former stockbroker and Tory party activist! If the most significant concerns are 1. not supporting product safety standards and 2. not turning up enough to the European parliament, then why does every one keep banging on about them being racist? Did I say they were the most significant?
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Shizzlehurst 22 May 14 9.46am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 8.38am

Quote nickgusset at 21 May 2014 11.29pm

There are two very significant ways in which the behaviour of UKIP MEPs work against Britian's interests.

Sometimes legislation is proposed that would actually work in Britain's interests, yet their ideological voting habits mean that they end up voting against it, on the grounds that they don't want to EU to have more powers. An example could be legislation to allow EU member states to impose import taxes on products that are produced in conditions that would be illegal in the UK. Putting a tax on pork products from caged pigs, or eggs from battery hens in tiny cages (both illegal in the UK but widely practiced elsewhere in Europe) would help the British farming industry by preventing foreign farmers from undercutting their prices with barbaric animal welfare conditions. UKIP would probably belligerently vote against such a motion, even though the outcome would be positive for UK farmers and the UK economy.

The other way that UKIP work against the British national interest is their appalling attendance record, which means that they often don't bother to turn up to vote at all. This means that legislation that is bad for British interests can scrape through simply because UKIP couldn't be bothered to actually vote against it.

UKIP voters are so terminally confused that they think they're sticking their finger up at the establishment by voting for a party that adheres to the Tory ideology of Thatcherism, is bankrolled by former Tory party donors, is stuffed full of failed Tory politicians and is led by a privately educated former stockbroker and Tory party activist!

If the most significant concerns are 1. not supporting product safety standards and 2. not turning up enough to the European parliament, then why does every one keep banging on about them being racist?

Did I say they were the most significant?

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taylors lovechild 22 May 14 11.07am
to use a football analogy, if you think of the EU as the Premier League and Britain as the mighty Palace then imagine what would happen if Palace decided they wanted to leave the Premier League membership but still play the games and be in the league. Would they still get their fair share of the TV money? Would they get to vote on decisions that affect the league? Of course, there are many who stated they preferred it when Palace were in the Championship with less money, no chance of regenerating the stadium or improving facilites, etc. I mean why shouldn't we get all the benefits of the league without having to be a member? The reality is, the Premier League has its flaws, just as the EU has its flaws, but without it we are just a tiny voice that no one will listen to. There is strength in unity (see Palace) whereas blaming everyone else (Cardiff) will see us relegated to a footnote in the world.
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to use a football analogy, if you think of the EU as the Premier League and Britain as the mighty Palace then imagine what would happen if Palace decided they wanted to leave the Premier League membership but still play the games and be in the league. Would they still get their fair share of the TV money? Would they get to vote on decisions that affect the league?

Of course, there are many who stated they preferred it when Palace were in the Championship with less money, no chance of regenerating the stadium or improving facilites, etc.

I mean why shouldn't we get all the benefits of the league without having to be a member?

The reality is, the Premier League has its flaws, just as the EU has its flaws, but without it we are just a tiny voice that no one will listen to. There is strength in unity (see Palace) whereas blaming everyone else (Cardiff) will see us relegated to a footnote in the world.

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Johnny Eagles berlin 22 May 14 11.42am
Quote nickgusset at 22 May 2014 9.46am Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 8.38am Quote nickgusset at 21 May 2014 11.29pm There are two very significant ways in which the behaviour of UKIP MEPs work against Britian's interests. Sometimes legislation is proposed that would actually work in Britain's interests, yet their ideological voting habits mean that they end up voting against it, on the grounds that they don't want to EU to have more powers. An example could be legislation to allow EU member states to impose import taxes on products that are produced in conditions that would be illegal in the UK. Putting a tax on pork products from caged pigs, or eggs from battery hens in tiny cages (both illegal in the UK but widely practiced elsewhere in Europe) would help the British farming industry by preventing foreign farmers from undercutting their prices with barbaric animal welfare conditions. UKIP would probably belligerently vote against such a motion, even though the outcome would be positive for UK farmers and the UK economy. The other way that UKIP work against the British national interest is their appalling attendance record, which means that they often don't bother to turn up to vote at all. This means that legislation that is bad for British interests can scrape through simply because UKIP couldn't be bothered to actually vote against it. UKIP voters are so terminally confused that they think they're sticking their finger up at the establishment by voting for a party that adheres to the Tory ideology of Thatcherism, is bankrolled by former Tory party donors, is stuffed full of failed Tory politicians and is led by a privately educated former stockbroker and Tory party activist! If the most significant concerns are 1. not supporting product safety standards and 2. not turning up enough to the European parliament, then why does every one keep banging on about them being racist? Did I say they were the most significant? No. You said they were "very significant". What do you think then are the most significant concerns? ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 22 May 14 11.42am

Quote nickgusset at 22 May 2014 9.46am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 8.38am

Quote nickgusset at 21 May 2014 11.29pm

There are two very significant ways in which the behaviour of UKIP MEPs work against Britian's interests.

Did I say they were the most significant?

No. You said they were "very significant".

What do you think then are the most significant concerns?

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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Johnny Eagles berlin 22 May 14 11.44am
Quote taylors lovechild at 22 May 2014 11.07am to use a football analogy, if you think of the EU as the Premier League and Britain as the mighty Palace then imagine what would happen if Palace decided they wanted to leave the Premier League membership but still play the games and be in the league. Would they still get their fair share of the TV money? Would they get to vote on decisions that affect the league? Of course, there are many who stated they preferred it when Palace were in the Championship with less money, no chance of regenerating the stadium or improving facilites, etc. I mean why shouldn't we get all the benefits of the league without having to be a member? The reality is, the Premier League has its flaws, just as the EU has its flaws, but without it we are just a tiny voice that no one will listen to. There is strength in unity (see Palace) whereas blaming everyone else (Cardiff) will see us relegated to a footnote in the world. Nice analogy, but the premise that being in the EU (Premiership) is a step up financially to not being in the EU (Championship) is very debatable. What's the Scottish independence? The Johnson's Paint Trophy? ...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...
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berlin 22 May 14 11.44am

Quote taylors lovechild at 22 May 2014 11.07am

Of course, there are many who stated they preferred it when Palace were in the Championship with less money, no chance of regenerating the stadium or improving facilites, etc.

I mean why shouldn't we get all the benefits of the league without having to be a member?

Nice analogy, but the premise that being in the EU (Premiership) is a step up financially to not being in the EU (Championship) is very debatable.

What's the Scottish independence? The Johnson's Paint Trophy?

...we must expand...get more pupils...so that the knowledge will spread...

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 May 14 11.54am
Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 11.42am Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 8.38am If the most significant concerns are 1. not supporting product safety standards and 2. not turning up enough to the European parliament, then why does every one keep banging on about them being racist? Quote Did I say they were the most significant? No. You said they were "very significant". What do you think then are the most significant concerns? You said they were the most significant implying that was what I said. My most significant concern? That people are being duped by a party that is to the right of the tories and have more neoliberal agenda than the 3 main parties.
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Shizzlehurst 22 May 14 11.54am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 11.42am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 8.38am

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Did I say they were the most significant?

No. You said they were "very significant".

What do you think then are the most significant concerns?

You said they were the most significant implying that was what I said.

My most significant concern? That people are being duped by a party that is to the right of the tories and have more neoliberal agenda than the 3 main parties.

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npn Crowborough 22 May 14 12.16pm
Quote nickgusset at 22 May 2014 11.54am Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 11.42am Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 8.38am If the most significant concerns are 1. not supporting product safety standards and 2. not turning up enough to the European parliament, then why does every one keep banging on about them being racist? Quote Did I say they were the most significant? No. You said they were "very significant". What do you think then are the most significant concerns? You said they were the most significant implying that was what I said. My most significant concern? That people are being duped by a party that is to the right of the tories and have more neoliberal agenda than the 3 main parties. In what way 'duped' Nick? Is it not just that they are in the right place at the right time and have gained a bit of momentum due to the current frustrations of the populace? Are they doing anything different from any of the other parties? Are they any less trustworthy (given that all the main three parties have been guilty of some pretty horrendous acts in very recent history, be that unfulfilled manifeso promises, dodgy expenses etc)
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Crowborough 22 May 14 12.16pm

Quote nickgusset at 22 May 2014 11.54am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 11.42am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 8.38am

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Did I say they were the most significant?

No. You said they were "very significant".

What do you think then are the most significant concerns?

You said they were the most significant implying that was what I said.

My most significant concern? That people are being duped by a party that is to the right of the tories and have more neoliberal agenda than the 3 main parties.

In what way 'duped' Nick?
Is it not just that they are in the right place at the right time and have gained a bit of momentum due to the current frustrations of the populace?

Are they doing anything different from any of the other parties? Are they any less trustworthy (given that all the main three parties have been guilty of some pretty horrendous acts in very recent history, be that unfulfilled manifeso promises, dodgy expenses etc)

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Kermit8 Hevon 22 May 14 12.20pm
Beware the Trojan horse. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Beware the Trojan horse.

Big chest and massive boobs

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 May 14 12.21pm
Quote npn at 22 May 2014 12.16pm Quote nickgusset at 22 May 2014 11.54am Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 11.42am Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 8.38am If the most significant concerns are 1. not supporting product safety standards and 2. not turning up enough to the European parliament, then why does every one keep banging on about them being racist? Quote Did I say they were the most significant? No. You said they were "very significant". What do you think then are the most significant concerns? You said they were the most significant implying that was what I said. My most significant concern? That people are being duped by a party that is to the right of the tories and have more neoliberal agenda than the 3 main parties. In what way 'duped' Nick? Is it not just that they are in the right place at the right time and have gained a bit of momentum due to the current frustrations of the populace? Are they doing anything different from any of the other parties? Are they any less trustworthy (given that all the main three parties have been guilty of some pretty horrendous acts in very recent history, be that unfulfilled manifeso promises, dodgy expenses etc) Duped in the way that they have come across as 'the man on the street' when in fact, through their barely mentioned ideals, they will be f***ing 'the man in the street.'
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Shizzlehurst 22 May 14 12.21pm

Quote npn at 22 May 2014 12.16pm

Quote nickgusset at 22 May 2014 11.54am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 11.42am

Quote Johnny Eagles at 22 May 2014 8.38am

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Did I say they were the most significant?

No. You said they were "very significant".

What do you think then are the most significant concerns?

You said they were the most significant implying that was what I said.

My most significant concern? That people are being duped by a party that is to the right of the tories and have more neoliberal agenda than the 3 main parties.

In what way 'duped' Nick?
Is it not just that they are in the right place at the right time and have gained a bit of momentum due to the current frustrations of the populace?

Duped in the way that they have come across as 'the man on the street' when in fact, through their barely mentioned ideals, they will be f***ing 'the man in the street.'

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Stirlingsays 22 May 14 12.21pm
Quote Willo at 22 May 2014 9.17am Quote Stirlingsays at 21 May 2014 11.59pm The majority of Ukip's votes will be directed at the EU and the inaction and failed promises of politicians over immigration over decades... I believe you are absolutely right in that the majority who will vote UKIP will doing so because of their real issues with the EU and immigration. There are many Conservative who totally share these views but have an umblical cord attached to the party (So will not vote UKIP) and perhaps they will view a strong UKIP showing in the election as sending a powerful message out to the Mr Cameron and the Conservative Party.As such, perhaps they will not be too disappointed if UKIP do well in these elections ! Many believe that the so called UKIP "Supporters" in this election are dissatisfied Tories (On the EU and immigration) who will return to their natural 'Habitat' for the General Election next year when the 'Wider' issues come to the fore. Perhaps today's election is the referendum on the EU ! Yup I agree. Once Cameron said that an EU referendum was a red line issue on him being Prime Minister....It changes things a bit. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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22 May 14 12.21pm

Quote Willo at 22 May 2014 9.17am

Quote Stirlingsays at 21 May 2014 11.59pm

The majority of Ukip's votes will be directed at the EU and the inaction and failed promises of politicians over immigration over decades...

I believe you are absolutely right in that the majority who will vote UKIP will doing so because of their real issues with the EU and immigration.

Yup I agree.

Once Cameron said that an EU referendum was a red line issue on him being Prime Minister....It changes things a bit.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 May 14 12.21pm
Quote Kermit8 at 22 May 2014 12.20pm Beware the Trojan horse. Nigel Farage - the face that launched a thousand s***s.
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Shizzlehurst 22 May 14 12.21pm

Quote Kermit8 at 22 May 2014 12.20pm

Beware the Trojan horse.

Nigel Farage - the face that launched a thousand s***s.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 May 14 12.24pm
Quote matt_himself at 22 May 2014 5.35am Quote nickgusset at 21 May 2014 11.29pm There are two very significant ways in which the behaviour of UKIP MEPs work against Britian's interests. Sometimes legislation is proposed that would actually work in Britain's interests, yet their ideological voting habits mean that they end up voting against it, on the grounds that they don't want to EU to have more powers. An example could be legislation to allow EU member states to impose import taxes on products that are produced in conditions that would be illegal in the UK. Putting a tax on pork products from caged pigs, or eggs from battery hens in tiny cages (both illegal in the UK but widely practiced elsewhere in Europe) would help the British farming industry by preventing foreign farmers from undercutting their prices with barbaric animal welfare conditions. UKIP would probably belligerently vote against such a motion, even though the outcome would be positive for UK farmers and the UK economy. The other way that UKIP work against the British national interest is their appalling attendance record, which means that they often don't bother to turn up to vote at all. This means that legislation that is bad for British interests can scrape through simply because UKIP couldn't be bothered to actually vote against it. UKIP voters are so terminally confused that they think they're sticking their finger up at the establishment by voting for a party that adheres to the Tory ideology of Thatcherism, is bankrolled by former Tory party donors, is stuffed full of failed Tory politicians and is led by a privately educated former stockbroker and Tory party activist! Patronising crap. Are you writing patronising crap as a substitute for the usual s***e you post- saves you a lot of time i guess. or Are you writing patronising crap because you disagree with it?
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Shizzlehurst 22 May 14 12.24pm

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Quote nickgusset at 21 May 2014 11.29pm

There are two very significant ways in which the behaviour of UKIP MEPs work against Britian's interests.

Patronising crap.

Are you writing patronising crap as a substitute for the usual s***e you post- saves you a lot of time i guess.
or
Are you writing patronising crap because you disagree with it?

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