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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Apr 13 3.42pm | |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 11 Apr 2013 2.21pm
Thatcher gets the blame for facing reality with coal. She had to take on the unions, we had little choice. The only criticism I would direct at her is that her answer to the loss of jobs was 'get on your bike'....Go where the work is....Well, ok.....But she should have invested in regeneration. We gave up on a generation of workers...She was too south east focused....Sure that's the money earning part but she was the PM for Britain not just the city. This is a very good assessment. The 'power of the unions' needed to be reduced though, rather than broken. A consequence of the destruction of union power was a lack of representation and increasingly poor pay deals for workers, ending up with a situaton that benefits are more viable than unskilled manual labour. Mining was a doomed industry - but wiping what was left of it out, in the space of a few year, devistated whole ecconomies and forced a generation onto long term dole (a problem we still have now). Mining needed to be phased out, with new industry being promoted in those areas. The 'savings made' in selling off council housing created a necessity of large scale housing benefits and removed the capacity of authority to place a real control on rent prices. Its served to transfer large sums of benefit straight into landlords pockets. Large scale industry in the UK died an accellerated death during the 80s, and the failure of government to provide an alternative is still seen in the pocketed high unemployment areas of the UK. The short term benefits were outweighed by a failure to plan for the consequences of the movefrom an industrial to post-Industrial society. Radical ecconomic reforms required radical social reforms to prevent a situation that has become 'Broken Britain'. Thats not just her fault, the seeds were sown in the 70s but the catalyst was the 80s, and subsiquent governments (Tory and Labour) have failed to seek a real solution. The promotion of the idea of 'why should i pay for x' really found its germintion during the boom of the 80s, as individualism and self interest of consumerism replaced the notions of class and group identifcation.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 11 Apr 13 3.44pm | |
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A lot of truth to what susmik says. Thatcher and Tebbit pioneered the "go with market forces" concept. Not a faultless concept by any stretch of the imagination. Nowadays most people can expect 3 significant job/career changes in their working life. Thatcher taught us some harsh lessons about market forces
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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 11 Apr 13 3.45pm | |
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Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm
[Link] What a lovely lady she was! Yet again a source / link of absolutely no value whatsoever...
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jamiemartin721 Reading 11 Apr 13 3.47pm | |
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Quote Willo at 11 Apr 2013 2.31pm
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And how has this money been invested to rejuvenate the areas that suffered from pit closures? Areas were suffering from pit closures well before Mrs Thatcher came to power.More pits were closed in the 60s than the 80s yet who today blames the then Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson ? The industry was killed off during the 80s, along with many of the other low skill manual industries, resulting in no realistic replacement being available. Its not that mining went, it the effect that had on the communities that were reliant on the industry.
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Schuloff Hackney 11 Apr 13 3.50pm | |
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The low intensity civil war waged under Thatcher seems to have been hiding twitching behind the curtains only to erupt at her death. For twenty three years the Tories sought to get away from her -no nasty party now. But with her awaiting burial, Cameron has come out as the vestal virgin-in-chief to mourn this loss. Must be the much awaited plan B people have been talking about. Lists are being drawn up as we speak of those who have a record of vehement opposition to her ways. Some will be arrested as a preventative measure. Internet forums are being surveilled for key signs. The proposed minute's silence for her demise planned for Reading versus Liverpool has been scrapped. Margaret Aspinall of the Hillsborough Families said "To have a minute's silence for her at any football ground would be an insult to fans" Would the pro-Thatcher acolytes on here like to propose the same silence reign during our next home match? And if they would, can they send a petition to the board?
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Stirlingsays 11 Apr 13 4.11pm | |
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Quote Schuloff at 11 Apr 2013 3.50pm
The low intensity civil war waged under Thatcher seems to have been hiding twitching behind the curtains only to erupt at her death. For twenty three years the Tories sought to get away from her -no nasty party now. But with her awaiting burial, Cameron has come out as the vestal virgin-in-chief to mourn this loss. Must be the much awaited plan B people have been talking about. Lists are being drawn up as we speak of those who have a record of vehement opposition to her ways. Some will be arrested as a preventative measure. Internet forums are being surveilled for key signs. The proposed minute's silence for her demise planned for Reading versus Liverpool has been scrapped. Margaret Aspinall of the Hillsborough Families said "To have a minute's silence for her at any football ground would be an insult to fans" Would the pro-Thatcher acolytes on here like to propose the same silence reign during our next home match? And if they would, can they send a petition to the board?
I'm giving it a B-.
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Seth On a pale blue dot 11 Apr 13 4.13pm | |
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Quote Willo at 11 Apr 2013 3.09pm
Quote Seth
Are you suggesting the Mail has no political agenda? Of course the Liberal Conspiracy website is coming from an angle - I didn't deny that. Are you saying the same about the Daily Mail? Seriously? I would say that committed Conservative supporters like myself gravitate towards the 'Daily Mail' and 'Telegraph'. Willo
The link I posted was merely intended to add to the debate, not be the end of it. I said it was "interesting" that's all. It's evidence of Thatcher's continuing tendency towards division that its mere presence appears to stimulate such scorn from those on the other side of the political divide.
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Seth On a pale blue dot 11 Apr 13 4.15pm | |
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Quote The Sash at 11 Apr 2013 3.45pm
Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm
[Link] What a lovely lady she was! Yet again a source / link of absolutely no value whatsoever...
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 11 Apr 13 4.20pm | |
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Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm
[Link] What a lovely lady she was! Yet again a source / link of absolutely no value whatsoever...
I think you have to draw the line in the sand between what is opinion, and ubelieveble made up socialist bullsh1t. Fair enough ?
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Penge Eagle Beckenham 11 Apr 13 4.24pm | |
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Hey Gusset, you'd make a brilliant character in a sketch show. Edited by Penge Eagle (11 Apr 2013 4.24pm)
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Seth On a pale blue dot 11 Apr 13 4.28pm | |
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Quote dannyh at 11 Apr 2013 4.20pm
Quote Seth at 11 Apr 2013 4.15pm
Quote The Sash at 11 Apr 2013 3.45pm
Quote nickgusset at 11 Apr 2013 12.49pm
[Link] What a lovely lady she was! Yet again a source / link of absolutely no value whatsoever...
I think you have to draw the line in the sand between what is opinion, and ubelieveble made up socialist bullsh1t. Fair enough ? Not really danny. It's all just opinion when it comes down to it and its value or lack of it is purely subjective. No-one has the monopoly on truth mate, not me or you or anyone else. We all create our own "truth" in any case and just because someone else doesn't agree with it, doesn't make it any less true to the person who holds that view. And anyone who disagrees with that is a f*cking idiot. Mods - my last remark was intended as a joke
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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 11 Apr 13 4.32pm | |
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Quote Penge Eagle at 11 Apr 2013 4.24pm
Hey Gusset, you'd make a brilliant character in a sketch show. Edited by Penge Eagle (11 Apr 2013 4.24pm) he already stared in one.
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