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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 May 23 2.20pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That rather depends on the landlord and the rules around letting doesn't it.

As it does to many things. At least you admit, albeit tacitly, that it is not universally immoral.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 12 May 23 2.31pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

As it does to many things. At least you admit, albeit tacitly, that it is not universally immoral.

Certainly.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 May 23 2.38pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

It was never tested on transmissions and the likes of Pfizer even admitted this. So how in the world could these so called "experts" give advice on something that was not even tested in the first place.

Another own goal there it seems!

Like I said these "experts" have agendas. You yourself also said this in regards to the YouTube doctors with "conspiracy theories"

It seems an experts opinion only matters if it fits a certain agenda.

I had legitimate concerns over the vaccine safety and it's side effects. So just for having these concerns about my body and the effect it has on me I am automatically a "Conspiracy theorist" in your book?

You are again recycling another conspiracy theory, which often contains an element of truth that is then twisted into a very different meaning. Pfizer wasn't required to do such testing prior to launch. The testing they did do indicated the vaccine would work and real-time use confirmed the indications. Perhaps you need to read this:-

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The only objective that genuine experts have in this field is to increase knowledge and awareness of the benefits of vaccination. There are some posing as experts who are profiteering from spreading misinformation and sowing fear.

Your concerns are not legitimate. You have been sold fear and bought into it because of your distrust of big business, government and those whose job it is to inform and encourage.

You might think they are legitimate, but they aren't. That doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist. It means you are vulnerable to them

 


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eaglesdare Flag 12 May 23 3.01pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You are again recycling another conspiracy theory, which often contains an element of truth that is then twisted into a very different meaning. Pfizer wasn't required to do such testing prior to launch. The testing they did do indicated the vaccine would work and real-time use confirmed the indications. Perhaps you need to read this:-

[Link]

The only objective that genuine experts have in this field is to increase knowledge and awareness of the benefits of vaccination. There are some posing as experts who are profiteering from spreading misinformation and sowing fear.

Your concerns are not legitimate. You have been sold fear and bought into it because of your distrust of big business, government and those whose job it is to inform and encourage.

You might think they are legitimate, but they aren't. That doesn't make you a conspiracy theorist. It means you are vulnerable to them

Yet again you just brush off my concerns as "conspiracy" that's 3 times an own goal now!

Pfizer were not required to do testing on transmissions that's fine no problem with that...then why did so called "experts" base their advice on this? Becuase maybe they were paid too? Same as your YouTube doctors then that you seem to not like.

There were a many number of experts who had an opinion but were silenced and or cancelled becuase it did not fit the required agenda.

According to you it seems then an experts opinion only matters if it fits a certain agenda.

My concerns were legitimate. Anything that affects my well-being or health is a legitimate concern. And at this time my concerns have been proven to be valid and well founded.

Governments job to inform and encourage? By having parties behind closed doors? Having affairs with their assistants? Breaching their own guidelines? And sending the public an enormous amount of misinformation.

An experts opinion only matters if it fits an agenda these days. However wrong or controversial it may seem.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 12 May 23 5.39pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Dr John Campbell with an important video on excess deaths using the recently released ONS data release. Here we actually get some information on what people are dying of, how many and their age groups.

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Excess deaths affecting all age groups.
More people dying of heart disease, lung and liver, cancer about the same.
Actual respiratory disease deaths down.


Edited by Stirlingsays (12 May 2023 5.51pm)

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 May 23 9.16pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Yet again you just brush off my concerns as "conspiracy" that's 3 times an own goal now!

Pfizer were not required to do testing on transmissions that's fine no problem with that...then why did so called "experts" base their advice on this? Becuase maybe they were paid too? Same as your YouTube doctors then that you seem to not like.

There were a many number of experts who had an opinion but were silenced and or cancelled becuase it did not fit the required agenda.

According to you it seems then an experts opinion only matters if it fits a certain agenda.

My concerns were legitimate. Anything that affects my well-being or health is a legitimate concern. And at this time my concerns have been proven to be valid and well founded.

Governments job to inform and encourage? By having parties behind closed doors? Having affairs with their assistants? Breaching their own guidelines? And sending the public an enormous amount of misinformation.

An experts opinion only matters if it fits an agenda these days. However wrong or controversial it may seem.

How many times do I need to say this? You cannot "brush off" something that doesn't exist. Your concerns are imaginary. You just choose to disregard the reassurances and explanations that exist because you prefer a diet of conspiracy theories to fact.

I have already, patiently and at length, explained that science is not a fixed thing. As it learns the messages change. But before it accepts the validity of any updated position thorough double-checking is done.

No expert gave incorrect advice about transmission! They gave the best advice available at the time and modified it when new circumstances prevailed.

Any experts advice only matters if they are an expert whose work has been peer reviewed and validated as accurate. Those pushing a political or pseudoscience agenda won't pass the test.

Your concerns are not legitimate. They are entirely imaginary. That they are real to you doesn't change that. Lots of people imagine things. You are now imagining that there is something which proves that. All that exists are charlatans misrepresenting statistics for their own commercial benefit. You are, regrettably, not alone in being duped.

I don't defend the stupidity of the Johnson period, but it has no bearing at all on this. This is a simple issue between the best advice available based on a scientific consensus of the world's experts and that of a few others, often with political motivations or dubious qualifications, providing alternative opinions to the gullible, probably for personal gain.

You carry on believing the latter if you want, but don't try to convince me your concerns are legitimate.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 12 May 23 9.29pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Dr John Campbell with an important video on excess deaths using the recently released ONS data release. Here we actually get some information on what people are dying of, how many and their age groups.

[Link]

Excess deaths affecting all age groups.
More people dying of heart disease, lung and liver, cancer about the same.
Actual respiratory disease deaths down.


Edited by Stirlingsays (12 May 2023 5.51pm)

I suppose it was too much to hope that you would abandon "Dr" Campbell, but here he is again. Ching-ching!

Now I know that there are those taking a keen interest in what he, and similar people, are posting I will keep an eye out for their analysis and post it here, good or bad!

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 12 May 23 9.41pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I suppose it was too much to hope that you would abandon "Dr" Campbell, but here he is again. Ching-ching!

Now I know that there are those taking a keen interest in what he, and similar people, are posting I will keep an eye out for their analysis and post it here, good or bad!

I don't abandon people who speak the truth.

You can stay with the altruistic Soros/Gates/pharma funded.

 


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footythoughts Flag Beckenham 12 May 23 10.22pm

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I suppose it was too much to hope that you would abandon "Dr" Campbell, but here he is again. Ching-ching!

Now I know that there are those taking a keen interest in what he, and similar people, are posting I will keep an eye out for their analysis and post it here, good or bad!

It would appear to be logical that the impact of covid itself on peoples long term health may well cause long term health impact that isn't covered under actually dying on covid. There are plenty of studies detailing and evidencing long term impact of covid on health and if anything that government undermined long term impact of covid beyond those dying of it during or within months of it.

There a numerous factors to be considered. A mantra of one eyed vaccination = dangerous, is the same outlook that now results in low MMR uptake in London, risking the health and lives of kids. The government itself of course wasn't great with messaging, threats, and their own behaviour during covid so that's a contributing factor too. Nuance matters.

In a wider sense, people have already made up their mind about all of this anyway. Whether or not further covid jabs are for them and so on. The consequences of covid and the approach to it will continue on, but most are simply knuckling down as best they can following this whole car crash.


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eaglesdare Flag 12 May 23 10.40pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

How many times do I need to say this? You cannot "brush off" something that doesn't exist. Your concerns are imaginary. You just choose to disregard the reassurances and explanations that exist because you prefer a diet of conspiracy theories to fact.

I have already, patiently and at length, explained that science is not a fixed thing. As it learns the messages change. But before it accepts the validity of any updated position thorough double-checking is done.

No expert gave incorrect advice about transmission! They gave the best advice available at the time and modified it when new circumstances prevailed.

Any experts advice only matters if they are an expert whose work has been peer reviewed and validated as accurate. Those pushing a political or pseudoscience agenda won't pass the test.

Your concerns are not legitimate. They are entirely imaginary. That they are real to you doesn't change that. Lots of people imagine things. You are now imagining that there is something which proves that. All that exists are charlatans misrepresenting statistics for their own commercial benefit. You are, regrettably, not alone in being duped.

I don't defend the stupidity of the Johnson period, but it has no bearing at all on this. This is a simple issue between the best advice available based on a scientific consensus of the world's experts and that of a few others, often with political motivations or dubious qualifications, providing alternative opinions to the gullible, probably for personal gain.

You carry on believing the latter if you want, but don't try to convince me your concerns are legitimate.

Firstly...you have absolutely no right telling someone whether their concerns are legitimate or not. I certainly do not tell you your concerns about covid are not legitimate as you clearly think covid is serious. I respect your concerns about it.

My concerns are legitimate. It's my body after all and not yours. What I do with my body does not affect anyone else other than me. I am concerned about what I put in my body and what effects that has on me.

As for "expert" advice it's only really valid if it fits an agenda. Peered reviewed papers are the exact same...whatever way the wind is blowing and where the money flows...and personal gain like you said.

Any group of doctors with the same agenda cam "peer" review a study.

Yes the science does change. Science should always be challenged. But what happened at the start was anyone who challenges the science with legitimate questions were silenced and cancelled.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 May 23 8.25am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I don't abandon people who speak the truth.

You can stay with the altruistic Soros/Gates/pharma funded.

As he has been shown, by those better qualified than he is, to be misinterpreting statistics and misrepresenting conclusions, there is not a lot of truth to be found in his videos.

The truth is he has been busted. We will have to see how deeply that fact penetrates into the minds of those gullible enough to be indoctrinated by the propaganda being circulated by those who devise these conspiracy theories and spread by those able to profit from them. I don't see much hope of a new dawn anytime soon!

Who benefits from conspiracy theories that divide and unsettle Western democracies? Including conspiracy theories about such worthy characters as Bill Gates and George Soros. Answers inside a Matryoshka.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 13 May 23 8.49am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by eaglesdare

Firstly...you have absolutely no right telling someone whether their concerns are legitimate or not. I certainly do not tell you your concerns about covid are not legitimate as you clearly think covid is serious. I respect your concerns about it.

My concerns are legitimate. It's my body after all and not yours. What I do with my body does not affect anyone else other than me. I am concerned about what I put in my body and what effects that has on me.

As for "expert" advice it's only really valid if it fits an agenda. Peered reviewed papers are the exact same...whatever way the wind is blowing and where the money flows...and personal gain like you said.

Any group of doctors with the same agenda cam "peer" review a study.

Yes the science does change. Science should always be challenged. But what happened at the start was anyone who challenges the science with legitimate questions were silenced and cancelled.

I have never denied that you don't think they are legitimate. Obviously, you do, but as they aren't real, you are worrying about things unnecessarily. These are not legitimate concerns. They have all been answered and there is no need for anyone to take them seriously. The failures here are that not enough has been done to reassure the obsessively sceptical, like it appears you are, alongside not enough being done to restrict the flow of disinformation bombarding you.

Seed funding scientific research in a capitalistic society works. The profit motive drives innovation and discovery. You either believe in capitalism, or you don't. I do. Peer review is an essential part of the other side of the coin, which is to check and make sure that what is released is real and thoroughly tested. It is the journal intending to publish the study that appoints the 2 sets of independent peer reviewers. They pay them. Not the original researchers. As the journals themselves have high standards and reputations to protect there is no reason to doubt the integrity of this process. It is, after all, only the first stage. Before release, several regulatory hurdles must be overcome.

 


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