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  Hrolf The Ganger  28 Nov 21 10.27pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
They absolutely did what they should do. Allowing a powerful person to spread misinformation (not just alternative opinion) needed to be curtailed, whoever they might be. Political opinion wasn't the issue. It was outright lies. Alternative facts don't exist. The companies were incredibly patient and gave several warnings. There is a world of difference between someone posting opinions you don't like, or share, as you seem to with mine, and someone repeatedly posting things they have been told are unacceptable. Notably, things which are demonstrably untrue. Give over. Your 'misinformation' is to suppose that all politicians don't lie and spin and that Trump was somehow the only politician that did. The Biden team and the many allies in the media told lies every day during the last election. The answer is that you are also a politician in the broad sense. You deal in spin, lies, accusations and misinformation. You will never admit that because it is all part of the show.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 28 Nov 21 10.59pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Give over. Your 'misinformation' is to suppose that all politicians don't lie and spin and that Trump was somehow the only politician that did. The Biden team and the many allies in the media told lies every day during the last election. The answer is that you are also a politician in the broad sense. You deal in spin, lies, accusations and misinformation. You will never admit that because it is all part of the show. Spin is indeed what all politicians, and journalists do. This is simply shaping the presentation of a story to communicate a message that suits your agenda. Indeed, we all do that. Outright lies are on another level and those who do so tend to get exposed pretty rapidly, especially these days with so many people pouring over every word and with instant communication available. Not speaking all the truth isn't lying. Biden and his team doubtless did that sometimes. All politicians do. Sometimes they have to, when keeping things secret is necessary. He though wasn't, and isn't, exceptional. You have a thing about Biden. You don't like him, or anyone like him. That clouds your judgement. If you regard the fact that Trump was, and is, several mountains higher in his approach as "twaddle" so be it. I won't change your mind, but it doesn't stop it being true. Trump isn't a politician. He is a property developer and hotel owner, with a highly suspicious background, whose style resembles a mob boss, turned reality TV host. Who managed to con enough people that his undoubted charisma was enough to reform Washington. He has no scruples, and none of the hard won experience that enables a politician to understand the difference between spinning and lying. Trump doesn't even know that he is lying. Truth, for him, is whatever comes out of his mouth. So yes, there is a big difference. It's sad that so many in the USA still don't see it, but even sadder that a few here don't either. Most do. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Nov 2021 11.01pm)
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cryrst  The garden of England 28 Nov 21 11.15pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Thanks. That made me smile. Creative, even if pretty daft. That's your problem. You didn't need the last four words but have to feel in charge or on top. Just from that I deduce you have got a narcissistic personality.
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| cryrst The garden of England 28 Nov 21 11.16pm |
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Maybe this will help
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Nov 21 6.58am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
That's your problem. You didn't need the last four words but have to feel in charge or on top. Just from that I deduce you have got a narcissistic personality. Need? No, of course not, just as you had no need to chip in. I was just setting the record straight, staying in the same light-hearted spirit. Does it make me narcissistic? I doubt it, but everyone's entitled to their opinion. Why does someone feel the need to chip in? I'll keep my opinion on that to myself.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Nov 21 7.00am |
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Maybe yourself, although not with the mods.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 21 7.44am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Spin is indeed what all politicians, and journalists do. This is simply shaping the presentation of a story to communicate a message that suits your agenda. Indeed, we all do that. Outright lies are on another level and those who do so tend to get exposed pretty rapidly, especially these days with so many people pouring over every word and with instant communication available. Not speaking all the truth isn't lying. Biden and his team doubtless did that sometimes. All politicians do. Sometimes they have to, when keeping things secret is necessary. He though wasn't, and isn't, exceptional. You have a thing about Biden. You don't like him, or anyone like him. That clouds your judgement. If you regard the fact that Trump was, and is, several mountains higher in his approach as "twaddle" so be it. I won't change your mind, but it doesn't stop it being true. Trump isn't a politician. He is a property developer and hotel owner, with a highly suspicious background, whose style resembles a mob boss, turned reality TV host. Who managed to con enough people that his undoubted charisma was enough to reform Washington. He has no scruples, and none of the hard won experience that enables a politician to understand the difference between spinning and lying. Trump doesn't even know that he is lying. Truth, for him, is whatever comes out of his mouth. So yes, there is a big difference. It's sad that so many in the USA still don't see it, but even sadder that a few here don't either. Most do. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (28 Nov 2021 11.01pm) You cannot be serious.
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HKOwen  Hong Kong 29 Nov 21 12.06pm |
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Please refer to the second part of my signature
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 29 Nov 21 1.05pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You cannot be serious. Of course, I am. It is completely usual for politicians and journalists to be selective in the facts they present. Only in a court are you required to tell "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth". It isn't lying. It's spinning. You do it yourself. Lying is saying something untrue. Missing something out isn't. Go read any national newspaper for the evidence. As for Biden, I refer you to your previous posts and rest my case. That claim meets the court test without any difficulty.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 29 Nov 21 1.12pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Of course, I am. It is completely usual for politicians and journalists to be selective in the facts they present. Only in a court are you required to tell "the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth". It isn't lying. It's spinning. You do it yourself. Lying is saying something untrue. Missing something out isn't. Go read any national newspaper for the evidence. As for Biden, I refer you to your previous posts and rest my case. That claim meets the court test without any difficulty. Get on your way Wisbech. You are the biggest bulls***ter I have encountered on any site.
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| HKOwen Hong Kong 29 Nov 21 2.57pm |
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Please refer to the second part of my signature
Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance. |
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 29 Nov 21 4.27pm |
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Wisbech is entitled to (voice) his/her opinion on matters. Whilst it may be his/her opinion, his posts seem to be very much FACT. And unwaveringly so. This inhibits a fair bit of discussion, as Wisbech inevitably announces that he is correct in anything he says. FACT. For someone so educated and experienced in life, I wonder why he/she wastes their time in internet football forums. Probably a bit like a lot of us, in that we are giving a snaphot of our own experiences and opinions thus formed. Hoping he'll mellow a bit,
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