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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 12 Dec 20 12.22am |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
Not trying to write anything to suit but then attempt to invalidate my own experiences by blaming it on my man management skills. Makes sense. For the record, spat on by Leeds fans, called a black c*** and told "When it kicks off today, you better run" by Millwall fans. And of course, you speak for all members of the HOL, only I was branded a racist myself, so which one is it? What you require is zero tolerance to this, not taking the knee.
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cryrst  The garden of England 12 Dec 20 7.36am |
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Originally posted by madcap_v2
Not trying to write anything to suit but then attempt to invalidate my own experiences by blaming it on my man management skills. Makes sense. For the record, spat on by Leeds fans, called a black c*** and told "When it kicks off today, you better run" by Millwall fans. And of course, you speak for all members of the HOL, only I was branded a racist myself, so which one is it? We are all branded as racists so dont feel bad.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 20 8.38am |
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AJ will not take the knee
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| eritheagle Erith 12 Dec 20 8.50am |
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Blimey, I've got some respect for him now. One of the other headlines was that a fan is going to get a LIFETIME ban for booing the taking of the knee. How Draconian is that!
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| Badger11 Beckenham 12 Dec 20 8.58am |
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I spoke to a Millwall mate the other night he has a pretty good idea how the fans feel so his take on the booing was this. Nothing to do with racism or even BLM it's taking the knee that upset them. "We are Millwall we don't run and we don't take the knee (act of submission) for anyone". Stop taking the knee we stop booing. I can see his logic they feel it is damaging their reputation (as thugs), my words not his.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 12 Dec 20 9.55am |
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Originally posted by eritheagle
Blimey, I've got some respect for him now. One of the other headlines was that a fan is going to get a LIFETIME ban for booing the taking of the knee. How Draconian is that! I hope this comes back to haunt them. The arrogance of these people is quite something.
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| eritheagle Erith 12 Dec 20 10.06am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I hope this comes back to haunt them. The arrogance of these people is quite something. Exactly!
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Dec 20 12.43pm |
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Hopefully more thought will have gone into it than that scrap of paper handed to AJ in that park in the summer saying black people should boycott white businesses. And people ask why isn’t everyone in favour of taking the knee. Short memories some people. It’s no coincidence it has the hard left involved. They have the shortest memories in the human species.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 12 Dec 20 10.53pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
What you require is zero tolerance to this, not taking the knee. What is required is very simple. It is to show respect to others when they are not directly impacting you in any way. You don't have to "take the knee". If others want to do it peacefully, sincerely and in silence why should anyone disrupt them? If clubs decide such behaviour is unacceptable then banning those that do it is entirely their decision. It's not your ground. It's theirs. You are a paying guest. They can refuse you entry. If the players decide their gesture has run its course and decide to stop then that's their decision to make and not yours.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Dec 20 12.43am |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
What is required is very simple. It is to show respect to others when they are not directly impacting you in any way. You don't have to "take the knee". If others want to do it peacefully, sincerely and in silence why should anyone disrupt them? If clubs decide such behaviour is unacceptable then banning those that do it is entirely their decision. It's not your ground. It's theirs. You are a paying guest. They can refuse you entry. If the players decide their gesture has run its course and decide to stop then that's their decision to make and not yours. It’s simple to you because you’re saying it’s simple, to yourself. The two way respect with this knee taking was lost a while back. You have a short memory when it suits you. I have no problem showing anyone respect. I do it every day. Plenty of others do not, including some behind this knee nonsense. It’s not going to change anything anyway and can actually make things worse or more difficult to change things. I’m beginning to start to wonder whether people behind this prefer the issues rather than solutions. The reason why it’s still going on is because grounds are empty. You’ll find this out when they’re full unfortunately and I can promise next to nothing worthwhile will have been achieved. If BLM is a political party by the time everyone is allowed back then it’ll be an even bigger issue.
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| Stirlingsays 13 Dec 20 1.22am |
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Originally posted by eritheagle
Blimey, I've got some respect for him now. One of the other headlines was that a fan is going to get a LIFETIME ban for booing the taking of the knee. How Draconian is that! Says something when they force consent doesn't it. If they wear a mask and boo I should imagine it would be harder to prove. This is where we are in the world now. Perhaps those who don't agree with kneeling shouldn't go.....that's what all these cucks want anyway. Your compliance or your silence.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 13 Dec 20 8.29am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
It’s simple to you because you’re saying it’s simple, to yourself. The two way respect with this knee taking was lost a while back. You have a short memory when it suits you. I have no problem showing anyone respect. I do it every day. Plenty of others do not, including some behind this knee nonsense. It’s not going to change anything anyway and can actually make things worse or more difficult to change things. I’m beginning to start to wonder whether people behind this prefer the issues rather than solutions. The reason why it’s still going on is because grounds are empty. You’ll find this out when they’re full unfortunately and I can promise next to nothing worthwhile will have been achieved. If BLM is a political party by the time everyone is allowed back then it’ll be an even bigger issue. It has nothing to do with what I say. Many people, including those involved, have said so. That's why it's simple. Ignore their feelings and you show them (not me) disrespect. It's very straightforward. As I have said several times the intended audience is not a bunch of local supporters, but the millions watching around the world. Measuring it's impact is impossible as it cannot be seen in isolation. It's part of a wider effort. By the time the grounds are full again I expect it will have run its course and be replaced by something else, but whilst it is being done no supporter should boo it. If the term "BLM" becomes indelibly associated with politics in the minds of the general public, rather than the minority who choose to see it that way as at present, then I have little doubt it would be dropped pretty quickly. No-one in football would want to be associated with anything political. Not on an official level anyway. With only small numbers being allowed in then the clubs will have no problem in identifying and banning anyone who continues to do this after they have been requested not to. Or the FA could step in and ban all supporters for a game or two until it stops, thus encouraging others to ensure it's hushed by the majority. We'll see. Edited by Wisbech Eagle (13 Dec 2020 8.35am)
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