Positive spin and rose coloured spectacles Painter.
17 goals in in 11 games is okay - but take away yesterday against a very poor team and it is 12 goals in 10 games - hmmm - not sounding so good now!
also - given our usual defensive solidity we have let in 16 goals in 11 games although to be fair that is only just above last seasons average.
Our performances against the three teams I previously mentioned were really poor and whilst we have no right to win any game there is no doubt that better tactics might have seen us with say a win against Brighton and draws against the other two which would have been an okay return in my eyes.
Given the openness of the League and our squad and the talent that we have means that is the least we should have expected.
Sorry - I have always been a fan of Hodgson whilst he has been with us - generally anyway - but now it is time for a change.

I agree totally with your comments,watching the first half performance against WBA I found myself screaming at the television as I was so frustrated by our negative play.Constant passing backwards when good forward passes were on,half hearted pressing giving the opponents time to pass it around and through us.As a Roy supporter I finally lost it and yelled get him out and put in someone who will play a more attacking style especially against the weaker sides.The second half proved we can play that way with the shackles off and so confirmed to me Unfortunately Roy needs to be replaced.

Good post. One good half against a newly promoted side down to ten men, I suspect the gushing praise for our performance is more to do with relief than anything else. Hopefully we can kick on from here.

Agreed.

Until we have new owners and a rebuilt stadium with increased capacity where is the money coming from?

I don't think we are punching above our weight I think between 10-15th is about par considering our squad.

Brighton have spent net £200m to our net £50m over the last 5 years are they 4 times better than us?

Edited by Badger11 (07 Dec 2020 10.53am)

One more point

No tin hat should be required, the ultra-shrewd bargain priced additions of Ayew and McCarthy last season combined with playing very tight kept us in mid table despite the AWB money not being reinvested in the squad - Eze is the only example of Roy being backed in the market so Parish should take at least as much blame as Roy, but the turgid bus parking cannot go on indefinitely, the wheels have shown signs of coming off this season but we have enough about us to keep us well away from trouble. We need a new midfield - or a suitable partner for Riedewald, and a plan for a post Wilf future which will involve our attacking threat not being over reliant on one player, I don't think Roy is the person to take us that place even though I'm not as unappreciative of his efforts as some on here.

I tried to gauge fans opinion a few weeks ago to try an get people to put their success criteria on the line for the last 4 games.

Judging from the responses, most would have been disappointed with 6 points, although high scoring games against Leeds and West Brom have tipped the balance.

Many of Roy's biggest supporters don't seem to be forthcoming with what they think is an acceptable performance, often quoting Simon Jordan's cliche "be careful what you wish for". I saw a poster on another thread which said something like "well done croydon Roy, he'll keep us up again". This seems to be setting the bar quite low.

It seems like people that are supporting him are happy on the basis that we have a fairly mild mannered manager who is a) from Croydon and b) will avoid relegation.

It reminds me a bit of the section in Be Careful What You Wish For, where Jordan complains about the excessive celebrations after Stockport despite having a season only narrowly avoided being a complete disaster.

On the face of it, our results are fine, when you scratch the surface a lot of issues start to emerged. As you have noted 9 of our points have come from the 3 promoted teams, 6 from teams that were unprepared for the start of the season and 1 from a dreadful Brighton side.

The red card on Sunday was a turning point, but you can only play whats in front of you. All the result tells us is that we can score when we take teams on.

The bigger question is how we are going to start picking up points from established premier league sides?

Currently I'm content with Roy, but we should ask him to stand down gracefully when a better replacement can be sourced.