Maybe. Im indifferent to social changes, as i see it as a sort of evolutionary constant, as in if you managed to live in england between 1700 and 1780, there would have been a social change, maybe not so much in regards to immigration, but quite probably in thought and behavioural acceptability. I would also imagine it is the same in Africa, North America, Asia, etc. Change is a constant, imo, not a variable.

Im not of the opinion that we are at the end of days either, because, at least in the uk's situation, we have much more sovereignty than we have been led to believe, which cannot be said for all the other countries in the euro.

It is quite amusing to me how the working class have been duped into believing the rich though and blindly supporting them and the social elite blindly supporting the greens or labour and, with regards to the working class, it's because a pish english voice is seen to be associated with intelligence and competence. That is what i have seen 1st hand from my parents. They sent me to sort of posho schools to try and give me a better life than theirs. The problem is that i still ended up sounding like steve parish

So, im not totally down on the world, but i think the answer is education, discussion, moving towards a more inclusive and eventually direct democracy.

Thanks Chris 123.

A very minor BY ( not BI ) election in one very labour ward is not really much of a guide to national election.

Most pundits been wrong both 2017 GE and EU referendum so who know.

Labour front bench is a Star Wars bars of maniacs, imbeciles and self interested patronising champagne socialists ( remember white van comment ) and anyone who isn't at a minimum silent on anti semitism doesn't get a look in.

God save us if they form a government.

Whilst I think Corbyn is appalling at least he is consistently so

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I think the current GE will show the " working class " as you call them are no longer duped by anyone wearing a red rosette

I do. I defy you to show me any working class parent who doesn't want their child to have a better life than them. If you can send them to a good school, of course you are going to do that, aren't you? My parents didn't want me to have to go through life breaking my body like they did and if i ever hace kids it will be the same.

Are you saying there is no class? I dont recall stating that Labour MPs arent corrupt, if anything I put them in the same bracket as all the other parties. My point is that it is amazing how you can honestly make any plausible case that the Conservatives are for the working class especially after 2008.

Spare me your faux outrage

I wouldn’t say the Tories are for anything accept the status quo. At least they are against communism though.