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crystal balls The Garden of Earthly Delights 10 Sep 15 2.33pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 10 Sep 2015 12.43pm Quote crystal balls at 10 Sep 2015 11.51am It's entirely pragmatic; and totally thought through! Unfortunately, like some of the "head in the sand" tendency you do not seem to realise the urgency of the situation, Within the next 10-15 years the number of over 65 and under 20s in the UK will far outnumber the working population. If we do not have more people of working age paying taxes and keeping the economy running we will be faced with a bankrupt nation. This isn't something we can ignore, it will directly affect everyone, especially everyone who is now over 30. The situation will continue for a number of years (probably around 20 or so) until the demographics will probably turn around, due to the increasing birthrate in the last few years (assuming this continues). From the 50s through to the 80s we had a very large number of workers come to the UK from abroad. Some remain here, some have returned to Ireland, Australia, South Africa or the West Indies. The population in the UK has increased from around 52m in the late 50's to 66m now. In the same period the world population has increased from around 3bn to 6.8bn. It would be unreasonable to exclude the UK from any population increase, and the country has a far lower population density of inhabitable land than most other comparable countries, let alone places like Bangladesh, Hong Kong or Japan. And the Tories are supporters of business; they are largely pro-EU as this is seen by them as best for businesses. Sorry if you don't agree, but they will be campaigning for "in" at the referendum. If you had actually through it though you would have answered the problems that I raised. Instead you just repeated the actual logical flaw with the whole issue. The higher the population, the more and more 'young men', 'young women' you need supporting the population. It can't continue. By continuing to allow this increase all you are doing is making the massive collapse more disastrous. And England, especially the south has probably the highest people density in the EU. We are a smallish island and we are projected to end up with the highest population in Europe. Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2015 12.44pm) I think you have missed the point entirely; without immigration the population will actually fall, and quite dramatically! More importantly, the working population will fall to a degree that will render the UK unsustainable in it's present form. State pension ages will have to be increased to around 75 or more, or scrapped entirely! State education will become very basic, everything else will have to be paid for. The health service won't exist, as we wont be able to train doctors and nurses (we can't even import enough nurses now!) With between two and three non-taxpayers for every worker, the burden will fall heavily on those of working age. It will be completely unsustainable. The population of London actually fell between 1940 and 1990. It has only this year reached the same level as 1940. We are not over-flowing in London, that's for sure. And we are nowhere near the highest density of anywhere in Europe; most major cities have a greater population density than London, look it up if you don't believe me. I used to be immortal
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crystal balls

The Garden of Earthly Delights 10 Sep 15 2.33pm

Quote Stirlingsays at 10 Sep 2015 12.43pm

Quote crystal balls at 10 Sep 2015 11.51am

It's entirely pragmatic; and totally thought through! Unfortunately, like some of the "head in the sand" tendency you do not seem to realise the urgency of the situation,

Within the next 10-15 years the number of over 65 and under 20s in the UK will far outnumber the working population. If we do not have more people of working age paying taxes and keeping the economy running we will be faced with a bankrupt nation. This isn't something we can ignore, it will directly affect everyone, especially everyone who is now over 30.

The situation will continue for a number of years (probably around 20 or so) until the demographics will probably turn around, due to the increasing birthrate in the last few years (assuming this continues).

From the 50s through to the 80s we had a very large number of workers come to the UK from abroad. Some remain here, some have returned to Ireland, Australia, South Africa or the West Indies.

The population in the UK has increased from around 52m in the late 50's to 66m now. In the same period the world population has increased from around 3bn to 6.8bn. It would be unreasonable to exclude the UK from any population increase, and the country has a far lower population density of inhabitable land than most other comparable countries, let alone places like Bangladesh, Hong Kong or Japan.

And the Tories are supporters of business; they are largely pro-EU as this is seen by them as best for businesses. Sorry if you don't agree, but they will be campaigning for "in" at the referendum.

If you had actually through it though you would have answered the problems that I raised.

Instead you just repeated the actual logical flaw with the whole issue.

The higher the population, the more and more 'young men', 'young women' you need supporting the population.

It can't continue.

By continuing to allow this increase all you are doing is making the massive collapse more disastrous.

And England, especially the south has probably the highest people density in the EU.

We are a smallish island and we are projected to end up with the highest population in Europe.

Edited by Stirlingsays (10 Sep 2015 12.44pm)

I think you have missed the point entirely; without immigration the population will actually fall, and quite dramatically! More importantly, the working population will fall to a degree that will render the UK unsustainable in it's present form.

State pension ages will have to be increased to around 75 or more, or scrapped entirely! State education will become very basic, everything else will have to be paid for. The health service won't exist, as we wont be able to train doctors and nurses (we can't even import enough nurses now!)

With between two and three non-taxpayers for every worker, the burden will fall heavily on those of working age. It will be completely unsustainable.

The population of London actually fell between 1940 and 1990. It has only this year reached the same level as 1940. We are not over-flowing in London, that's for sure. And we are nowhere near the highest density of anywhere in Europe; most major cities have a greater population density than London, look it up if you don't believe me.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Sep 15 3.01pm
Quote Ouzo Dan at 10 Sep 2015 2.01pm Its quite interesting to see that Hungary,Czech Republic,Slovakia & Poland have rejected Germany's Migrant quota despite Merkel's veiled threat over the Schengen agreement. Russia are no doubt watching these events quite closely. Edited by Ouzo Dan (10 Sep 2015 2.02pm) Syria is a Russian client state. Given half the chance I suspect Putin would be sending troops to bolster the Assad regime. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Quote Ouzo Dan at 10 Sep 2015 2.01pm

Its quite interesting to see that Hungary,Czech Republic,Slovakia & Poland have rejected Germany's Migrant quota despite Merkel's veiled threat over the Schengen agreement.

Russia are no doubt watching these events quite closely.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (10 Sep 2015 2.02pm)

Syria is a Russian client state. Given half the chance I suspect Putin would be sending troops to bolster the Assad regime.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Stuk Top half 10 Sep 15 3.17pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Sep 2015 3.01pm Quote Ouzo Dan at 10 Sep 2015 2.01pm Its quite interesting to see that Hungary,Czech Republic,Slovakia & Poland have rejected Germany's Migrant quota despite Merkel's veiled threat over the Schengen agreement. Russia are no doubt watching these events quite closely. Edited by Ouzo Dan (10 Sep 2015 2.02pm) Syria is a Russian client state. Given half the chance I suspect Putin would be sending troops to bolster the Assad regime. What do you mean "would be", more like "is". Optimistic as ever
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Stuk

Top half 10 Sep 15 3.17pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Sep 2015 3.01pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 10 Sep 2015 2.01pm

Its quite interesting to see that Hungary,Czech Republic,Slovakia & Poland have rejected Germany's Migrant quota despite Merkel's veiled threat over the Schengen agreement.

Russia are no doubt watching these events quite closely.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (10 Sep 2015 2.02pm)

Syria is a Russian client state. Given half the chance I suspect Putin would be sending troops to bolster the Assad regime.

What do you mean "would be", more like "is".

Optimistic as ever

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jamiemartin721 Reading 10 Sep 15 3.34pm
Quote Stuk at 10 Sep 2015 3.17pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Sep 2015 3.01pm Quote Ouzo Dan at 10 Sep 2015 2.01pm Its quite interesting to see that Hungary,Czech Republic,Slovakia & Poland have rejected Germany's Migrant quota despite Merkel's veiled threat over the Schengen agreement. Russia are no doubt watching these events quite closely. Edited by Ouzo Dan (10 Sep 2015 2.02pm) Syria is a Russian client state. Given half the chance I suspect Putin would be sending troops to bolster the Assad regime. What do you mean "would be", more like "is". Very true "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 10 Sep 15 3.34pm

Quote Stuk at 10 Sep 2015 3.17pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 10 Sep 2015 3.01pm

Quote Ouzo Dan at 10 Sep 2015 2.01pm

Its quite interesting to see that Hungary,Czech Republic,Slovakia & Poland have rejected Germany's Migrant quota despite Merkel's veiled threat over the Schengen agreement.

Russia are no doubt watching these events quite closely.

Edited by Ouzo Dan (10 Sep 2015 2.02pm)

Syria is a Russian client state. Given half the chance I suspect Putin would be sending troops to bolster the Assad regime.

What do you mean "would be", more like "is".

Very true

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Sep 15 11.30pm
[Link] A sentiment shared by quite a few of us I'd say. Pro USA & Israel
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SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 11 Sep 15 11.30pm

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A sentiment shared by quite a few of us I'd say.

Pro USA & Israel

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Kermit8 Hevon 11 Sep 15 11.53pm
Quote Jimenez at 11 Sep 2015 11.30pm [Link] A sentiment shared by quite a few of us I'd say. Ah "country shopping" - Friends of yours? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 11 Sep 15 11.53pm

Quote Jimenez at 11 Sep 2015 11.30pm

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A sentiment shared by quite a few of us I'd say.

Ah "country shopping" - Friends of yours?

Big chest and massive boobs

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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Sep 15 1.22am
Quote Kermit8 at 11 Sep 2015 11.53pm Quote Jimenez at 11 Sep 2015 11.30pm [Link] A sentiment shared by quite a few of us I'd say. Ah "country shopping" - Friends of yours? I came straight here though. Not through Honduras, El Salvador & Mexico first..... Pro USA & Israel
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Jimenez

SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 12 Sep 15 1.22am

Quote Kermit8 at 11 Sep 2015 11.53pm

Quote Jimenez at 11 Sep 2015 11.30pm

[Link]

A sentiment shared by quite a few of us I'd say.

Ah "country shopping" - Friends of yours?

I came straight here though. Not through Honduras, El Salvador & Mexico first.....

Pro USA & Israel

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oldcodger 12 Sep 15 1.37am
Quote Jimenez at 12 Sep 2015 1.22am Quote Kermit8 at 11 Sep 2015 11.53pm Quote Jimenez at 11 Sep 2015 11.30pm [Link] A sentiment shared by quite a few of us I'd say. Ah "country shopping" - Friends of yours? I came straight here though. Not through Honduras, El Salvador & Mexico first..... Here we have a 'the floor is lava' style approach to judging immigrants. That's a new one.
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12 Sep 15 1.37am

Quote Jimenez at 12 Sep 2015 1.22am

Quote Kermit8 at 11 Sep 2015 11.53pm

Quote Jimenez at 11 Sep 2015 11.30pm

[Link]

A sentiment shared by quite a few of us I'd say.

Ah "country shopping" - Friends of yours?

I came straight here though. Not through Honduras, El Salvador & Mexico first.....

Here we have a 'the floor is lava' style approach to judging immigrants. That's a new one.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 12 Sep 15 9.33am
Quote Jimenez at 11 Sep 2015 11.30pm [Link] A sentiment shared by quite a few of us I'd say. A good article and it is saying what a lot of us have been saying in these forums. The truth hurts but something must be done to stop the "swarms" of people hitting Europe now!! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 12 Sep 15 9.33am

Quote Jimenez at 11 Sep 2015 11.30pm

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A sentiment shared by quite a few of us I'd say.

A good article and it is saying what a lot of us have been saying in these forums. The truth hurts but something must be done to stop the "swarms" of people hitting Europe now!!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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since1953 Maidenhead 12 Sep 15 10.29am
I'm glad it was not only me that noticed some of the immigrants were wearing top of the range trainers and were using the latest mobile phones to direct them to the next border. Some of the ladies were pushing state of the art buggies. Doesn't quite correlate with the images of refugees seen in the photos post World War ll.Those in the camps seem far more genuine, and I support Cameron in this. I was particularly annoyed at the sight of some "refugees" holding up a poster in a train carriage on the German/Danish border which said something like "We don't want Denmark, we want Sweden". No wonder the Danes want nothing to do with them.We should keep well out of all this.
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Maidenhead 12 Sep 15 10.29am

I'm glad it was not only me that noticed some of the immigrants were wearing top of the range trainers and were using the latest mobile phones to direct them to the next border. Some of the ladies were pushing state of the art buggies. Doesn't quite correlate with the images of refugees seen in the photos post World War ll.Those in the camps seem far more genuine, and I support Cameron in this. I was particularly annoyed at the sight of some "refugees" holding up a poster in a train carriage on the German/Danish border which said something like "We don't want Denmark, we want Sweden". No wonder the Danes want nothing to do with them.We should keep well out of all this.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 12 Sep 15 11.21am
Quote since1953 at 12 Sep 2015 10.29am I'm glad it was not only me that noticed some of the immigrants were wearing top of the range trainers and were using the latest mobile phones to direct them to the next border. Some of the ladies were pushing state of the art buggies. Doesn't quite correlate with the images of refugees seen in the photos post World War ll.Those in the camps seem far more genuine, and I support Cameron in this. I was particularly annoyed at the sight of some "refugees" holding up a poster in a train carriage on the German/Danish border which said something like "We don't want Denmark, we want Sweden". No wonder the Danes want nothing to do with them.We should keep well out of all this. I totally agree with you on this. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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susmik

PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 12 Sep 15 11.21am

Quote since1953 at 12 Sep 2015 10.29am

I totally agree with you on this.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Mapletree Croydon 12 Sep 15 11.32am
Quote since1953 at 12 Sep 2015 10.29am I'm glad it was not only me that noticed some of the immigrants were wearing top of the range trainers and were using the latest mobile phones to direct them to the next border. Some of the ladies were pushing state of the art buggies. Doesn't quite correlate with the images of refugees seen in the photos post World War ll.Those in the camps seem far more genuine, and I support Cameron in this. I was particularly annoyed at the sight of some "refugees" holding up a poster in a train carriage on the German/Danish border which said something like "We don't want Denmark, we want Sweden". No wonder the Danes want nothing to do with them.We should keep well out of all this. Let me just understand this. If you are wealthy and can afford nice trainers you automatically can't be affected by a war going on around you? You aren't in the same danger as the poor people? Hmm, wish I were wealthier then and thereby immune to being shot and blown up.
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Croydon 12 Sep 15 11.32am

Quote since1953 at 12 Sep 2015 10.29am

Let me just understand this. If you are wealthy and can afford nice trainers you automatically can't be affected by a war going on around you? You aren't in the same danger as the poor people? Hmm, wish I were wealthier then and thereby immune to being shot and blown up.

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