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We are goin up! Coulsdon 18 Sep 15 11.45am
Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.44am I try not to blame children for terrorist activities. Be good if the Israeli government could do the same don't you? Bulldozing their houses because of guilt by association, snipers firing at them when they are playing, mortars with thousands of pieces of shrapnel going off in crowded family areas. All very justifiable I am sure by some right-wing religious zealots and bigots but not by those rational mind. The irony of saying right-wingers don't have rational minds The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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I try not to blame children for terrorist activities. Be good if the Israeli government could do the same don't you? Bulldozing their houses because of guilt by association, snipers firing at them when they are playing, mortars with thousands of pieces of shrapnel going off in crowded family areas.

All very justifiable I am sure by some right-wing religious zealots and bigots but not by those rational mind.

The irony of saying right-wingers don't have rational minds

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Hoof Hearted 18 Sep 15 11.47am
Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.38am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.33am Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.24am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.15am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.07am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 10.54am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s* out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever. Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am) Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they? You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am) It isn't fair I agree.... the Israelis want to live in peace, but their homes are continually bombarded with rockets. The Israelis do not bomb Gaza without reason. When a fly buzzes round my head I tend to swat it. Then why do they continue to commit war crimes through illegal settlements in another country's land? Why do they so savagely criticise America's deal with Iran which was made specifically to diffuse tension in the region? Why does the Israeli foreign minister call for beheading Arabs and sending Palestine back to the stone age? Why have they bombed children playing on a beach? You comment only on their supposed failings, but ever since Israel was formed, the Jewish people have been under siege from the surrounding Arab nations. They do want to live in peace, but they are not allowed to. As for bombing children on beaches, that is collateral damage.** You have no idea whether children of Israel have been hit by the rockets launched. Wow. You really come out with some corkers Hoof, fancy telling that to their family? And as a matter of fact I do know if kids have been hit by Palestinian rockets. During the last round of fighting, 5 Israeli civilians died, including one child, compared to over 2000 Palestinians, in a nation where the average age is 17. You do the maths. Edited by serial thriller (18 Sep 2015 11.39am) Numbers are not important....... one child dying is too many. I cannot understand why such emphasis was placed on the photos of the child washed up on the beach when two days before an air tight refridgerated lorry killed 71 people including kids. People needlessly dying anywhere is a tragedy. Israel/Palestine needs sorting out, Syria needs sorting out, etc etc. There's no point blaming one side, it takes two to tango.
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Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s*** out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever.

Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say.

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Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they?

You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing.

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It isn't fair I agree.... the Israelis want to live in peace, but their homes are continually bombarded with rockets. The Israelis do not bomb Gaza without reason.

When a fly buzzes round my head I tend to swat it.

Then why do they continue to commit war crimes through illegal settlements in another country's land? Why do they so savagely criticise America's deal with Iran which was made specifically to diffuse tension in the region? Why does the Israeli foreign minister call for beheading Arabs and sending Palestine back to the stone age? Why have they bombed children playing on a beach?

You comment only on their supposed failings, but ever since Israel was formed, the Jewish people have been under siege from the surrounding Arab nations.

They do want to live in peace, but they are not allowed to.

As for bombing children on beaches, that is collateral damage. You have no idea whether children of Israel have been hit by the rockets launched.

Wow. You really come out with some corkers Hoof, fancy telling that to their family? And as a matter of fact I do know if kids have been hit by Palestinian rockets. During the last round of fighting, 5 Israeli civilians died, including one child, compared to over 2000 Palestinians, in a nation where the average age is 17. You do the maths.

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Numbers are not important....... one child dying is too many.

I cannot understand why such emphasis was placed on the photos of the child washed up on the beach when two days before an air tight refridgerated lorry killed 71 people including kids.

People needlessly dying anywhere is a tragedy.

Israel/Palestine needs sorting out, Syria needs sorting out, etc etc.

There's no point blaming one side, it takes two to tango.

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Hoof Hearted 18 Sep 15 11.50am
Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.44am B Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.35am Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.30am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.19am Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.15am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.07am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 10.54am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am Cameron is a decent man?! Was he decent when Israel was bombing the s*** out of Gaza's children, and he refused to condem it? Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? I see no compassion or human decency in him whatsoever. Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 8.09am) Why would he condemn a retaliatory strike by Israel?... all the Palestinians had to do was stop firing rockets at Israel to avoid their children dying... they weren't specifically not targeting children in Israel were they? You talk like the fight between the Palestinians and Israel was/is an equal, two-sided affair. Israel has the military capabilities of the West behind it and is chocking the people of Gaza into submission. It's prolonged ethnic cleansing. Edited by jcreedy (18 Sep 2015 11.08am) And children continue to die in Gaza at the moment due to the blockade Israel is placing Palestine under, preventing vital medical and humanitarian aid reaching those in need. Bombing is merely the most visible way in which the Israelis are persecuting their neighbours. The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons. All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted. That doesn't explain away similar actions by the Israeli Government towards the Palestinian people in The West Bank though. Nor the hundreds of other state crimes committed before Hamas even existed. Collectively punishing a people for the deeds of a minority is always done by sh1theads. Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough. I try not to blame children for terrorist activities. Be good if the Israeli government could do the same don't you? Bulldozing their houses because of guilt by association, snipers firing at them when they are playing, mortars with thousands of pieces of shrapnel going off in crowded family areas. All very justifiable I am sure by some right-wing religious zealots and bigots but not by those rational mind. As I said.... it takes two to tango Michael. No point putting all the blame on Israel.
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Laugh at me all you like, but I can see Corbyn riding this ridiculous wave of filth in the press and becoming the next Prime Minister, despite what all the supposed experts say.

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And children continue to die in Gaza at the moment due to the blockade Israel is placing Palestine under, preventing vital medical and humanitarian aid reaching those in need. Bombing is merely the most visible way in which the Israelis are persecuting their neighbours.

The blockade is there to prevent the Palestinians getting their hands on more rockets or worse.. more powerful weapons.

All they have to do is sign up to a peaceful settlement and the blockade will be lifted.

That doesn't explain away similar actions by the Israeli Government towards the Palestinian people in The West Bank though. Nor the hundreds of other state crimes committed before Hamas even existed. Collectively punishing a people for the deeds of a minority is always done by sh1theads.

Oh I get it.... the Palestinians are entirely blameless for this whole affair, like the Scousers at Hillsborough.

All very justifiable I am sure by some right-wing religious zealots and bigots but not by those rational mind.

As I said.... it takes two to tango Michael.

No point putting all the blame on Israel.

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chris123 hove actually 18 Sep 15 12.23pm
Quote OldFella at 18 Sep 2015 11.25am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.18am [Link] [Link] [Link] [Link] There are plenty of sources. Take your pick. Of course, like Cameron and IDS (who claimed last year that these statistics didn't exist) you can manipulate the report to back-up your "odd cock-up". Lots of links! Are you Gusset in disguise? This is meaningless without knowing what the normal mortality rate is for those that died vs the rest of the population. The fact that no one from the opposition or media have followed up on this makes me suspect there is not much in this. People in work die too - you'd need much more data in order to know whether statistically there's something in this.
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There are plenty of sources. Take your pick.

Of course, like Cameron and IDS (who claimed last year that these statistics didn't exist) you can manipulate the report to back-up your "odd cock-up".

Lots of links! Are you Gusset in disguise?

This is meaningless without knowing what the normal mortality rate is for those that died vs the rest of the population. The fact that no one from the opposition or media have followed up on this makes me suspect there is not much in this. People in work die too - you'd need much more data in order to know whether statistically there's something in this.

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Hoof Hearted 18 Sep 15 12.48pm
Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 11.38am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.27am Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.17am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.11am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.02am Quote Willo at 18 Sep 2015 9.04am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? This is emotive hogwash and claptrap to boot. Regards welfare, spending has to be put on a sustainable footing. Britain is home to 1 per cent of the world’s population, generates 4 per cent of the world’s economy,; and yet pays out 7 per cent of all the welfare spending. What about the introduction of a new National Living wage ? And the support for working people with lower taxes, with people being able to earn £11,000 (From next year) before they have to pay tax ? I could go on and on and probably bore all and sundry ! We simply HAVE to move from a low wage, high tax, high welfare economy to a higher wage, lower tax and a lower welfare society.At the end of the day a strong economy is needed in Britain's interests and we cannot progress as a country if the economy is weak. What would your solution be for people that can't work, because of a genuine physical or mental disability, but have been declared fit to? Just let them die (like the thousands that already have)? Where is your evidence that genuine physically and mentally disabled people incapable of work are being declared fit to work? There may be the odd cock-up, but there is no en-masse round up of these people to force them into labour. The purpose of welfare reform is to get the scroungers and benefit cheats dealt with. The genuinely needy cases will continue to receive benefits. You are just scaremongering. Ermm, have you not been reading the news at all mate? [Link] Hardly 'the odd case here and there'. Headline says Thousands.... First line says 90 per month. Each case has been investigated thoroughly and the causal link to death was the fact that they were forced to go to work which killed them was it? Very unlikely. I don't work... I have Parkinson's disease... I don't claim benefits either. However if I did and I was assessed for work, there is no way I would allow the assessor to come to a conclusion I was fit for work. Assessments can be subjective, but GENUINE cases where people are unable to work physically or mentally are not being forced into labour. Sorry, Hoof... "More than a third of people with degenerative conditions such as Parkinson’s and multiple sclerosis are having their benefits slashed because the Department for Work and Pensions deems they will recover enough to look for work. Thousands of those with diseases that only worsen with time - and who have become too ill to work - are being denied full Employment Support Allowance. Instead they are assessed as suitable for work-related activity which is designed for people likely to recover to the point where they can seek employment. People in The Work-Related Activity Group receive less money and the threat of sanctions if they do not attend regular sessions. Many also have this benefit removed after a year as an added “incentive” to find employment. Steve Ford, Chief Executive at Parkinson’s UK, said: “These latest figures are an utter disgrace and serve to underline just how little the Government cares for those with progressive conditions like Parkinson’s. To set up a system which tells people who’ve had to give up work because of a debilitating, progressive condition that they’ll recover, is humiliating and nothing short of a farce." The Independent Obviously the assessors criteria need tweaking then. I am confident that Cameron et al have not designed these assessments to deliberate fail genuine disability cases such as MS and Parkinsons. They must not have engaged properly with the medical profession, as both these diseases are degenerative without a known cure - you do not recover. The government need lobbying on this and any other conditions that are being wrongly assessed. As I said earlier, it is the intention to catch out the workshy and the cheats, not the genuinely disabled.
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Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them?

This is emotive hogwash and claptrap to boot.

Regards welfare, spending has to be put on a sustainable footing. Britain is home to 1 per cent of the world’s population, generates 4 per cent of the world’s economy,; and yet pays out 7 per cent of all the welfare spending.

What about the introduction of a new National Living wage ? And the support for working people with lower taxes, with people being able to earn £11,000 (From next year) before they have to pay tax ?
I could go on and on and probably bore all and sundry !

We simply HAVE to move from a low wage, high tax, high welfare economy to a higher wage, lower tax and a lower welfare society.At the end of the day a strong economy is needed in Britain's interests and we cannot progress as a country if the economy is weak.

What would your solution be for people that can't work, because of a genuine physical or mental disability, but have been declared fit to? Just let them die (like the thousands that already have)?

Where is your evidence that genuine physically and mentally disabled people incapable of work are being declared fit to work?

There may be the odd cock-up, but there is no en-masse round up of these people to force them into labour.

The purpose of welfare reform is to get the scroungers and benefit cheats dealt with. The genuinely needy cases will continue to receive benefits.

You are just scaremongering.

Ermm, have you not been reading the news at all mate?

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Hardly 'the odd case here and there'.

Headline says Thousands.... First line says 90 per month.

Each case has been investigated thoroughly and the causal link to death was the fact that they were forced to go to work which killed them was it? Very unlikely.

I don't work... I have Parkinson's disease... I don't claim benefits either.

However if I did and I was assessed for work, there is no way I would allow the assessor to come to a conclusion I was fit for work.

Assessments can be subjective, but GENUINE cases where people are unable to work physically or mentally are not being forced into labour.

Sorry, Hoof...

"More than a third of people with degenerative conditions such as Parkinson’s and multiple sclerosis are having their benefits slashed because the Department for Work and Pensions deems they will recover enough to look for work.

Thousands of those with diseases that only worsen with time - and who have become too ill to work - are being denied full Employment Support Allowance. Instead they are assessed as suitable for work-related activity which is designed for people likely to recover to the point where they can seek employment.

People in The Work-Related Activity Group receive less money and the threat of sanctions if they do not attend regular sessions. Many also have this benefit removed after a year as an added “incentive” to find employment.

Steve Ford, Chief Executive at Parkinson’s UK, said: “These latest figures are an utter disgrace and serve to underline just how little the Government cares for those with progressive conditions like Parkinson’s. To set up a system which tells people who’ve had to give up work because of a debilitating, progressive condition that they’ll recover, is humiliating and nothing short of a farce."

The Independent

Obviously the assessors criteria need tweaking then.

I am confident that Cameron et al have not designed these assessments to deliberate fail genuine disability cases such as MS and Parkinsons.

They must not have engaged properly with the medical profession, as both these diseases are degenerative without a known cure - you do not recover.

The government need lobbying on this and any other conditions that are being wrongly assessed.

As I said earlier, it is the intention to catch out the workshy and the cheats, not the genuinely disabled.

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Lyons550 Shirley 18 Sep 15 12.54pm
Quote Kermit8 at 18 Sep 2015 9.51am Quote Willo at 18 Sep 2015 9.04am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? This is emotive hogwash and claptrap to boot. Regards welfare, spending has to be put on a sustainable footing. Britain is home to 1 per cent of the world’s population, generates 4 per cent of the world’s economy,; and yet pays out 7 per cent of all the welfare spending. What about the introduction of a new National Living wage ? And the support for working people with lower taxes, with people being able to earn £11,000 (From next year) before they have to pay tax ? I could go on and on and probably bore all and sundry ! We simply HAVE to move from a low wage, high tax, high welfare economy to a higher wage, lower tax and a lower welfare society.At the end of the day a strong economy is needed in Britain's interests and we cannot progress as a country if the economy is weak. Re:the last paragraph....if you going to plagiarise word for word what Cameron said on Wednesday at PMQs at least use quotation marks. or at least prefix it with "I believe that..." The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them?

This is emotive hogwash and claptrap to boot.

Re:the last paragraph....if you going to plagiarise word for word what Cameron said on Wednesday at PMQs at least use quotation marks.

or at least prefix it with "I believe that..."

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 18 Sep 15 1.04pm
Quote Kermit8 at 16 Sep 2015 5.13pm Quote dannyh at 16 Sep 2015 3.04pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Sep 2015 2.27pm Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 1.29pm It's a ploy by Corbyn to try and make PMQs more downbeat as he knows he would be ripped apart by Cameron in a "Yah boo" exchange. Replace 'downbeat' with 'mature' I entirely agree with you. Weak. You watched it then d? The lack of childish goading was refreshing i thought but you must disagree. Ironic you use the term childish goading, when that is exactly what you are doing to me. I listened to the PMQ in its entirety on the radio. And for me Corbyn sounded like a frightened little boy who had been made to tell the headmaster about what the bigger boys were doing behind the bike sheds. He came across as a weak leader. But the asking of Questions and the civil manner in which the horay Henrys and champagne socialists conducted themselves was much less playground, and more year 7 debate I thought. "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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It's a ploy by Corbyn to try and make PMQs more downbeat as he knows he would be ripped apart by Cameron in a "Yah boo" exchange.

Replace 'downbeat' with 'mature' I entirely agree with you.

Weak.

You watched it then d? The lack of childish goading was refreshing i thought but you must disagree.

Ironic you use the term childish goading, when that is exactly what you are doing to me.

I listened to the PMQ in its entirety on the radio. And for me Corbyn sounded like a frightened little boy who had been made to tell the headmaster about what the bigger boys were doing behind the bike sheds.

He came across as a weak leader.

But the asking of Questions and the civil manner in which the horay Henrys and champagne socialists conducted themselves was much less playground, and more year 7 debate I thought.

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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Kermit8 Hevon 18 Sep 15 2.48pm
Quote dannyh at 18 Sep 2015 1.04pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Sep 2015 5.13pm Quote dannyh at 16 Sep 2015 3.04pm Quote Kermit8 at 16 Sep 2015 2.27pm Quote Willo at 16 Sep 2015 1.29pm It's a ploy by Corbyn to try and make PMQs more downbeat as he knows he would be ripped apart by Cameron in a "Yah boo" exchange. Replace 'downbeat' with 'mature' I entirely agree with you. Weak. You watched it then d? The lack of childish goading was refreshing i thought but you must disagree. Ironic you use the term childish goading, when that is exactly what you are doing to me. I listened to the PMQ in its entirety on the radio. And for me Corbyn sounded like a frightened little boy who had been made to tell the headmaster about what the bigger boys were doing behind the bike sheds. He came across as a weak leader. But the asking of Questions and the civil manner in which the horay Henrys and champagne socialists conducted themselves was much less playground, and more year 7 debate I thought. We can slag off JC as much as we like but there is one thing he isn't and that is a champagne socialist. Far from it. Have no idea where you got that one from. Btw - I was digging for a reply - and you did - not goading. Your misconception Edited by Kermit8 (18 Sep 2015 3.18pm) Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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It's a ploy by Corbyn to try and make PMQs more downbeat as he knows he would be ripped apart by Cameron in a "Yah boo" exchange.

Replace 'downbeat' with 'mature' I entirely agree with you.

Weak.

You watched it then d? The lack of childish goading was refreshing i thought but you must disagree.

Ironic you use the term childish goading, when that is exactly what you are doing to me.

He came across as a weak leader.

But the asking of Questions and the civil manner in which the horay Henrys and champagne socialists conducted themselves was much less playground, and more year 7 debate I thought.

We can slag off JC as much as we like but there is one thing he isn't and that is a champagne socialist. Far from it. Have no idea where you got that one from.

Btw - I was digging for a reply - and you did - not goading. Your misconception

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To hear John McDonnell claiming that he wants his party to be open and honest and avoid Ya bo politics is frankly nauseating. He then went on to do exactly the opposite throughout QT. What really annoys me is that he thinks that the electorate are stupid enough to actually believe him. Some are I suppose. His explanation for Corbyn not singing the anthem was laughable. Don't get me started on Sandy Toksvig.
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To hear John McDonnell claiming that he wants his party to be open and honest and avoid Ya bo politics is frankly nauseating.
He then went on to do exactly the opposite throughout QT.

What really annoys me is that he thinks that the electorate are stupid enough to actually believe him.

Some are I suppose.

His explanation for Corbyn not singing the anthem was laughable.

Don't get me started on Sandy Toksvig.

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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 18 Sep 2015 3.06pm To hear John McDonnell claiming that he wants his party to be open and honest and avoid Ya bo politics is frankly nauseating. He then went on to do exactly the opposite throughout QT. What really annoys me is that he thinks that the electorate are stupid enough to actually believe him. Some are I suppose. His explanation for Corbyn not singing the anthem was laughable. Don't get me started on Sandy Toksvig. Hold the front page! There are duplicitous cvnts in front bench politics! As for Sandy - unlikely. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 18 Sep 2015 3.06pm

To hear John McDonnell claiming that he wants his party to be open and honest and avoid Ya bo politics is frankly nauseating.
He then went on to do exactly the opposite throughout QT.

What really annoys me is that he thinks that the electorate are stupid enough to actually believe him.

Some are I suppose.

His explanation for Corbyn not singing the anthem was laughable.

Don't get me started on Sandy Toksvig.

Hold the front page! There are duplicitous cvnts in front bench politics! As for Sandy - unlikely.

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We are goin up! Coulsdon 18 Sep 15 3.29pm
Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 18 Sep 2015 3.06pm To hear John McDonnell claiming that he wants his party to be open and honest and avoid Ya bo politics is frankly nauseating. He then went on to do exactly the opposite throughout QT. What really annoys me is that he thinks that the electorate are stupid enough to actually believe him. Some are I suppose. His explanation for Corbyn not singing the anthem was laughable. Don't get me started on Sandy Toksvig. Last night's QT was even by its own standards an absolute horror show. Toksvig and McDonnell were c***s of the highest order. The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
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Quote Hrolf The Ganger at 18 Sep 2015 3.06pm

To hear John McDonnell claiming that he wants his party to be open and honest and avoid Ya bo politics is frankly nauseating.
He then went on to do exactly the opposite throughout QT.

What really annoys me is that he thinks that the electorate are stupid enough to actually believe him.

Some are I suppose.

His explanation for Corbyn not singing the anthem was laughable.

Don't get me started on Sandy Toksvig.

Last night's QT was even by its own standards an absolute horror show. Toksvig and McDonnell were c***s of the highest order.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Sep 15 4.25pm
Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.27am Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.17am Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.11am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.02am Quote Willo at 18 Sep 2015 9.04am Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them? This is emotive hogwash and claptrap to boot. Regards welfare, spending has to be put on a sustainable footing. Britain is home to 1 per cent of the world’s population, generates 4 per cent of the world’s economy,; and yet pays out 7 per cent of all the welfare spending. What about the introduction of a new National Living wage ? And the support for working people with lower taxes, with people being able to earn £11,000 (From next year) before they have to pay tax ? I could go on and on and probably bore all and sundry ! We simply HAVE to move from a low wage, high tax, high welfare economy to a higher wage, lower tax and a lower welfare society.At the end of the day a strong economy is needed in Britain's interests and we cannot progress as a country if the economy is weak. What would your solution be for people that can't work, because of a genuine physical or mental disability, but have been declared fit to? Just let them die (like the thousands that already have)? Where is your evidence that genuine physically and mentally disabled people incapable of work are being declared fit to work? There may be the odd cock-up, but there is no en-masse round up of these people to force them into labour. The purpose of welfare reform is to get the scroungers and benefit cheats dealt with. The genuinely needy cases will continue to receive benefits. You are just scaremongering. Ermm, have you not been reading the news at all mate? [Link] Hardly 'the odd case here and there'. Headline says Thousands.... First line says 90 per month. Each case has been investigated thoroughly and the causal link to death was the fact that they were forced to go to work which killed them was it? Very unlikely. I don't work... I have Parkinson's disease... I don't claim benefits either. However if I did and I was assessed for work, there is no way I would allow the assessor to come to a conclusion I was fit for work. Assessments can be subjective, but GENUINE cases where people are unable to work physically or mentally are not being forced into labour. I agree with you on that one. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Sep 15 4.25pm

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.27am

Quote serial thriller at 18 Sep 2015 11.17am

Quote Hoof Hearted at 18 Sep 2015 11.11am

Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 11.02am

Quote Willo at 18 Sep 2015 9.04am

Quote jcreedy at 18 Sep 2015 8.08am

Is he decent for slicing up the NHS? Is he decent for taking benefits away from the desperate people that need them?

This is emotive hogwash and claptrap to boot.

What would your solution be for people that can't work, because of a genuine physical or mental disability, but have been declared fit to? Just let them die (like the thousands that already have)?

Where is your evidence that genuine physically and mentally disabled people incapable of work are being declared fit to work?

There may be the odd cock-up, but there is no en-masse round up of these people to force them into labour.

The purpose of welfare reform is to get the scroungers and benefit cheats dealt with. The genuinely needy cases will continue to receive benefits.

You are just scaremongering.

Ermm, have you not been reading the news at all mate?

[Link]

Hardly 'the odd case here and there'.

Headline says Thousands.... First line says 90 per month.

Each case has been investigated thoroughly and the causal link to death was the fact that they were forced to go to work which killed them was it? Very unlikely.

I don't work... I have Parkinson's disease... I don't claim benefits either.

However if I did and I was assessed for work, there is no way I would allow the assessor to come to a conclusion I was fit for work.

Assessments can be subjective, but GENUINE cases where people are unable to work physically or mentally are not being forced into labour.

I agree with you on that one.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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