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matt_himself Matataland 15 Jul 17 12.20pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 My post is about the 15% devaluation in sterling that's a matter for the UK. Quite. Your words: 'Obviously the EU is a power bloc and the currency will be stronger and more stable as a result'; Are about the 15% devaluation in Sterling? This is your incorrect, assumed position on the Euro. You and Eurochiponshoulder should really read up on matters before posting your circle jerk federalist apologist guff. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 15 Jul 17 12.20pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

My post is about the 15% devaluation in sterling that's a matter for the UK.

Quite. Your words:

'Obviously the EU is a power bloc and the currency will be stronger and more stable as a result';

Are about the 15% devaluation in Sterling?

This is your incorrect, assumed position on the Euro.

You and Eurochiponshoulder should really read up on matters before posting your circle jerk federalist apologist guff.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Stirlingsays 15 Jul 17 1.19pm
Originally posted by europalace You do realise that many have predicted (and wanted) the Euro to fail for many years? It's as strong as ever and in fact the ECB is still continuing on its policy of QE. Remember that word QE, the one I explained to you a couple of weeks ago? QE is used to stop a currency from appreciating. The reason the Euro has been appreciating is because of large inward investment into the Eurozone. The reason Sterling has plummeted is because there has been a large decrease in investment into the UK. Nice and simple for you. The UK has the highest direct foreign investment since 2005. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Jul 17 1.19pm

Originally posted by europalace

You do realise that many have predicted (and wanted) the Euro to fail for many years? It's as strong as ever and in fact the ECB is still continuing on its policy of QE. Remember that word QE, the one I explained to you a couple of weeks ago? QE is used to stop a currency from appreciating. The reason the Euro has been appreciating is because of large inward investment into the Eurozone. The reason Sterling has plummeted is because there has been a large decrease in investment into the UK. Nice and simple for you.

The UK has the highest direct foreign investment since 2005.

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steeleye20 Croydon 15 Jul 17 1.35pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Quite. Your words: 'Obviously the EU is a power bloc and the currency will be stronger and more stable as a result'; Are about the 15% devaluation in Sterling? This is your incorrect, assumed position on the Euro. You and Eurochiponshoulder should really read up on matters before posting your circle jerk federalist apologist guff. just stating the fact that the UK has a 15% devaluation in sterling since the EU vote and that is a UK problem. Brexiteers need to rid themselves of their perpetual blame culture on the EU for all matters they want to leave just do that.
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Croydon 15 Jul 17 1.35pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Quite. Your words:

'Obviously the EU is a power bloc and the currency will be stronger and more stable as a result';

Are about the 15% devaluation in Sterling?

This is your incorrect, assumed position on the Euro.

You and Eurochiponshoulder should really read up on matters before posting your circle jerk federalist apologist guff.

just stating the fact that the UK has a 15% devaluation in sterling since the EU vote and that is a UK problem.

Brexiteers need to rid themselves of their perpetual blame culture on the EU for all matters they want to leave just do that.

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Stirlingsays 15 Jul 17 2.15pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 just stating the fact that the UK has a 15% devaluation in sterling since the EU vote and that is a UK problem. Brexiteers need to rid themselves of their perpetual blame culture on the EU for all matters they want to leave just do that. Not being able to devalue individually is actually a huge Euro EU problem. The EU is mainly for the benefit of Germany with the southern countries living off borrowing credit that Germany ultimately gives them. It is a walking disaster and it's people like you who ultimately prolong and promote the suffering all for the lifestyles of a few who benefit. There is only tacid support for the EU even within most of its countries and that's with most of its official media backing it. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2017 2.17pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Jul 17 2.15pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

just stating the fact that the UK has a 15% devaluation in sterling since the EU vote and that is a UK problem.

Brexiteers need to rid themselves of their perpetual blame culture on the EU for all matters they want to leave just do that.

Not being able to devalue individually is actually a huge Euro EU problem. The EU is mainly for the benefit of Germany with the southern countries living off borrowing credit that Germany ultimately gives them.

It is a walking disaster and it's people like you who ultimately prolong and promote the suffering all for the lifestyles of a few who benefit.

There is only tacid support for the EU even within most of its countries and that's with most of its official media backing it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2017 2.17pm)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 15 Jul 17 2.18pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Quite. Your words: 'Obviously the EU is a power bloc and the currency will be stronger and more stable as a result'; Are about the 15% devaluation in Sterling? This is your incorrect, assumed position on the Euro. You and Eurochiponshoulder should really read up on matters before posting your circle jerk federalist apologist guff. I thought you were above this.
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nickgusset

Shizzlehurst 15 Jul 17 2.18pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Quite. Your words:

'Obviously the EU is a power bloc and the currency will be stronger and more stable as a result';

Are about the 15% devaluation in Sterling?

This is your incorrect, assumed position on the Euro.

You and Eurochiponshoulder should really read up on matters before posting your circle jerk federalist apologist guff.

I thought you were above this.

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europalace Europe 15 Jul 17 2.38pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays There is only tacid support for the EU even within most of its countries and that's with most of its official media backing it. Really? That's why ALL 27 EU sovereign nations have agreed the plan top deal with the UK's exit from the EU. "EU-27 negotiators show unity ahead of Brexit talks" [Link] Sure, there were some politicians who talked about leaving the EU but these were just those not in power or even close to being elected. This was demonstrated in The Netherlands and in France where the people voted overwhelmingly for governments who were pro EU membership. That of course really annoyed some in theUK who were looking for an alternative reaction. Instead all they got was a confimation that what they voted for in the UK was further isolation from the rest of Europe and in the long term from the rest of the world in terms of business.
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Europe 15 Jul 17 2.38pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

There is only tacid support for the EU even within most of its countries and that's with most of its official media backing it.

Really? That's why ALL 27 EU sovereign nations have agreed the plan top deal with the UK's exit from the EU.

"EU-27 negotiators show unity ahead of Brexit talks"

[Link]

Sure, there were some politicians who talked about leaving the EU but these were just those not in power or even close to being elected. This was demonstrated in The Netherlands and in France where the people voted overwhelmingly for governments who were pro EU membership. That of course really annoyed some in theUK who were looking for an alternative reaction. Instead all they got was a confimation that what they voted for in the UK was further isolation from the rest of Europe and in the long term from the rest of the world in terms of business.

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europalace Europe 15 Jul 17 2.43pm
Originally posted by nickgusset Originally posted by matt_himself Quite. Your words: 'Obviously the EU is a power bloc and the currency will be stronger and more stable as a result'; Are about the 15% devaluation in Sterling? This is your incorrect, assumed position on the Euro. You and Eurochiponshoulder should really read up on matters before posting your circle jerk federalist apologist guff. Originally posted by nickgusset I thought you were above this. Not surprised at all. He stoops to childish name calling when he can't answer or simply loses the debate as is the case here. Edited by europalace (15 Jul 2017 2.44pm)
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Europe 15 Jul 17 2.43pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

Originally posted by matt_himself

Quite. Your words:

'Obviously the EU is a power bloc and the currency will be stronger and more stable as a result';

Are about the 15% devaluation in Sterling?

This is your incorrect, assumed position on the Euro.

You and Eurochiponshoulder should really read up on matters before posting your circle jerk federalist apologist guff.

Originally posted by nickgusset

I thought you were above this.

Not surprised at all. He stoops to childish name calling when he can't answer or simply loses the debate as is the case here.

Edited by europalace (15 Jul 2017 2.44pm)

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hedgehog50 Croydon 15 Jul 17 4.17pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Not being able to devalue individually is actually a huge Euro EU problem. The EU is mainly for the benefit of Germany with the southern countries living off borrowing credit that Germany ultimately gives them. It is a walking disaster and it's people like you who ultimately prolong and promote the suffering all for the lifestyles of a few who benefit. There is only tacid support for the EU even within most of its countries and that's with most of its official media backing it. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2017 2.17pm) This is absolutely right, EU counties that are in the Euro are basically screwed as they do not have the two most important tools to control their economies at their disposal - setting their own interest rates and the ability to devalue their currency. They are puppets of the Germans. We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]
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Croydon 15 Jul 17 4.17pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It is a walking disaster and it's people like you who ultimately prolong and promote the suffering all for the lifestyles of a few who benefit.

There is only tacid support for the EU even within most of its countries and that's with most of its official media backing it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2017 2.17pm)

This is absolutely right, EU counties that are in the Euro are basically screwed as they do not have the two most important tools to control their economies at their disposal - setting their own interest rates and the ability to devalue their currency. They are puppets of the Germans.

We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. [Orwell]

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europalace Europe 15 Jul 17 5.00pm
Originally posted by hedgehog50 This is absolutely right, EU counties that are in the Euro are basically screwed as they do not have the two most important tools to control their economies at their disposal - setting their own interest rates and the ability to devalue their currency. They are puppets of the Germans. Not sure how old you are but this outdated talk of 'the Germans' tends to come from the older generations in the UK, over 60s. Total paranoia. I lived in Germany for several years and couldn't have had a nicer time with the nicest of people. No one there ever brought up the topic of 'the war' as we see so often and boringly in the UK. Everyone there just got on with their lives and were mostly very positive about the EU and its future. The most aggressive and arrogant country in Europe is the UK and many of my European friends from various countries often asked why the British were so pushy and aggressive and why they couldn't relax and get on with their neighbours. Maybe the fantastic quality of life in Germany and many other European countries helps their citizens live a much more fulfilled and less jealous life. Edited by europalace (15 Jul 2017 5.01pm)
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Europe 15 Jul 17 5.00pm

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Not sure how old you are but this outdated talk of 'the Germans' tends to come from the older generations in the UK, over 60s. Total paranoia. I lived in Germany for several years and couldn't have had a nicer time with the nicest of people. No one there ever brought up the topic of 'the war' as we see so often and boringly in the UK. Everyone there just got on with their lives and were mostly very positive about the EU and its future. The most aggressive and arrogant country in Europe is the UK and many of my European friends from various countries often asked why the British were so pushy and aggressive and why they couldn't relax and get on with their neighbours. Maybe the fantastic quality of life in Germany and many other European countries helps their citizens live a much more fulfilled and less jealous life.

Edited by europalace (15 Jul 2017 5.01pm)

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Stirlingsays 15 Jul 17 5.05pm
Originally posted by europalace Really? That's why ALL 27 EU sovereign nations have agreed the plan top deal with the UK's exit from the EU. "EU-27 negotiators show unity ahead of Brexit talks" [Link] Sure, there were some politicians who talked about leaving the EU but these were just those not in power or even close to being elected. This was demonstrated in The Netherlands and in France where the people voted overwhelmingly for governments who were pro EU membership. That of course really annoyed some in theUK who were looking for an alternative reaction. Instead all they got was a confimation that what they voted for in the UK was further isolation from the rest of Europe and in the long term from the rest of the world in terms of business. I know that you....as a fervent EU supporter can't be particularly interested in the finer points of democracy but I clearly said the 'people' of the EU not the politicians. Of course the majority of them support it....amongst other things it's their gravy train. I really can't be responsible for answering points where you haven't understood the original contention or have deliberately ignored it. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2017 5.06pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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15 Jul 17 5.05pm

Originally posted by europalace

Really? That's why ALL 27 EU sovereign nations have agreed the plan top deal with the UK's exit from the EU.

"EU-27 negotiators show unity ahead of Brexit talks"

[Link]

I know that you....as a fervent EU supporter can't be particularly interested in the finer points of democracy but I clearly said the 'people' of the EU not the politicians.

Of course the majority of them support it....amongst other things it's their gravy train.

I really can't be responsible for answering points where you haven't understood the original contention or have deliberately ignored it.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Jul 2017 5.06pm)

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steeleye20 Croydon 15 Jul 17 5.06pm
When you are seen as risky not sure what is to happen the world downgrades its view of you and the currency is worth less in this case sterling. So the euro-vote has led to a more or less permanent devaluation of sterling. The UK is like a gambler chasing his losses. If it doesn't work kick it into the long grass some generation can pay for it some time in the future not us.
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Croydon 15 Jul 17 5.06pm

When you are seen as risky not sure what is to happen the world downgrades its view of you and the currency is worth less in this case sterling.

So the euro-vote has led to a more or less permanent devaluation of sterling.

The UK is like a gambler chasing his losses.

If it doesn't work kick it into the long grass some generation can pay for it some time in the future not us.

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europalace Europe 15 Jul 17 5.13pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I know that you.... No you certainly don't. You assume you do through your UK centric and biased outlook of the world. At least I've made the effort to live in several other EU countries (including originally the UK) and embrace their cultures and some of their language. That's called experience of other cultures in other countries which you so clearly demonstrate you are lacking so much. I recommend you go and live in a few other countries and I'm sure your viewpoint will change. Until then, you're looking through one eye, not two. Edited by europalace (15 Jul 2017 5.13pm)
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Europe 15 Jul 17 5.13pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I know that you....

No you certainly don't. You assume you do through your UK centric and biased outlook of the world. At least I've made the effort to live in several other EU countries (including originally the UK) and embrace their cultures and some of their language. That's called experience of other cultures in other countries which you so clearly demonstrate you are lacking so much. I recommend you go and live in a few other countries and I'm sure your viewpoint will change. Until then, you're looking through one eye, not two.

Edited by europalace (15 Jul 2017 5.13pm)

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