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johnno42000 22 Mar 20 11.02am
Interesting article from Peter Hitchens [Link] The mortality stats percentages are not reliable as there are so many people who had the virus and never got treated and therefore counted. The majority of those dying had underlying health conditions which is the same fact as occurs with flu and flu related deaths. We are allowing an awful lot of our freedoms to be signed away for something that, IMO, is (mortality wise) not a lot worse than flu and we have never in the recent past ever acted like this because of flu. 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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johnno42000

22 Mar 20 11.02am

Interesting article from Peter Hitchens [Link]

The mortality stats percentages are not reliable as there are so many people who had the virus and never got treated and therefore counted. The majority of those dying had underlying health conditions which is the same fact as occurs with flu and flu related deaths.

We are allowing an awful lot of our freedoms to be signed away for something that, IMO, is (mortality wise) not a lot worse than flu and we have never in the recent past ever acted like this because of flu.

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 22 Mar 20 11.06am
Originally posted by .TUX. Do you honestly think that i need a govt to tell me to avoid contact with my mother-in-law bud!!!! Seriously though, since the old man passed away 3yrs ago we've taken control of everything. We paid the mortgage off, deal with all her finances (direct debits/bills/any admin etc etc) feed her, clothe her, look after the home and take her to the doctors/hospital or anywhere else that she wants/needs to go. She has (mild but increasing) alhzeimer's and the hardest thing tbh has been telling her to stay indoors for the past few weeks as her daily routine involves popping down to her local Tesco, buying a few bits (that she doesn't need! bless her) and having a natter with a few friends she has there. Sunday is the day that we give her her tablets for the week along with her £70 'pocket money' in cash, cash because she lost the ability to use her debit card a couple of years ago and the grief involved with re-setting passwords etc with the bank was no longer worth it. It was '3 strikes and out' regarding her card.........although she still denies ever having a problem and will happily sit there reciting her password to prove the point. It's just a shame that the password she takes pleasure in reciting happens to be her phone number. Bless her. Anyway, since the Covid thing and stopping her cash on a Sunday, all we get now is ''You're taking my money away, you're robbing me, i'm a prisoner'' etc etc but if we give her the cash she absolutely will go out. Tough love i guess. Oh well, roll on 2pm Feel for you Tux, I really do. I lost my Mum and 2 Aunts in the past 3 years who had dementia, as well as a brother two years ago with "underlying health problems". Talking with the family recently and we're all agreed that we're glad they're not here to go through this isolation stuff today as they wouldn't have been able to understand it. As your Mum-in-Law seems to think, somehow you're punishing them. Thought many times how much worse it would be if they were in homes that we couldn't visit. Hope it works out alright for you and for anyone in a similar situation. Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.
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Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 22 Mar 20 11.06am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Do you honestly think that i need a govt to tell me to avoid contact with my mother-in-law bud!!!!

Seriously though, since the old man passed away 3yrs ago we've taken control of everything. We paid the mortgage off, deal with all her finances (direct debits/bills/any admin etc etc) feed her, clothe her, look after the home and take her to the doctors/hospital or anywhere else that she wants/needs to go.
She has (mild but increasing) alhzeimer's and the hardest thing tbh has been telling her to stay indoors for the past few weeks as her daily routine involves popping down to her local Tesco, buying a few bits (that she doesn't need! bless her) and having a natter with a few friends she has there.
Sunday is the day that we give her her tablets for the week along with her £70 'pocket money' in cash, cash because she lost the ability to use her debit card a couple of years ago and the grief involved with re-setting passwords etc with the bank was no longer worth it. It was '3 strikes and out' regarding her card.........although she still denies ever having a problem and will happily sit there reciting her password to prove the point. It's just a shame that the password she takes pleasure in reciting happens to be her phone number. Bless her.
Anyway, since the Covid thing and stopping her cash on a Sunday, all we get now is ''You're taking my money away, you're robbing me, i'm a prisoner'' etc etc but if we give her the cash she absolutely will go out. Tough love i guess.

Oh well, roll on 2pm

Feel for you Tux, I really do.

I lost my Mum and 2 Aunts in the past 3 years who had dementia, as well as a brother two years ago with "underlying health problems". Talking with the family recently and we're all agreed that we're glad they're not here to go through this isolation stuff today as they wouldn't have been able to understand it. As your Mum-in-Law seems to think, somehow you're punishing them.

Thought many times how much worse it would be if they were in homes that we couldn't visit.

Hope it works out alright for you and for anyone in a similar situation.

Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Mar 20 11.10am
Originally posted by johnno42000 Interesting article from Peter Hitchens [Link] The mortality stats percentages are not reliable as there are so many people who had the virus and never got treated and therefore counted. The majority of those dying had underlying health conditions which is the same fact as occurs with flu and flu related deaths. We are allowing an awful lot of our freedoms to be signed away for something that, IMO, is (mortality wise) not a lot worse than flu and we have never in the recent past ever acted like this because of flu. I have not perused the link, however I had heard on the radio that in normal times the number of deaths in the UK from flu and related illnesses over a same period is around 8,000 and our experts have asserted that the Covid-19 death toll could rise to 20,000 as a minimum and could greatly exceed this number if people do not heed the advice.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Mar 20 11.10am

Originally posted by johnno42000

Interesting article from Peter Hitchens [Link]

I have not perused the link, however I had heard on the radio that in normal times the number of deaths in the UK from flu and related illnesses over a same period is around 8,000 and our experts have asserted that the Covid-19 death toll could rise to 20,000 as a minimum and could greatly exceed this number if people do not heed the advice.

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BarEagle Monmouth 22 Mar 20 11.12am
Originally posted by .TUX. Do you honestly think that i need a govt to tell me to avoid contact with my mother-in-law bud!!!! Seriously though, since the old man passed away 3yrs ago we've taken control of everything. We paid the mortgage off, deal with all her finances (direct debits/bills/any admin etc etc) feed her, clothe her, look after the home and take her to the doctors/hospital or anywhere else that she wants/needs to go. She has (mild but increasing) alhzeimer's and the hardest thing tbh has been telling her to stay indoors for the past few weeks as her daily routine involves popping down to her local Tesco, buying a few bits (that she doesn't need! bless her) and having a natter with a few friends she has there. Sunday is the day that we give her her tablets for the week along with her £70 'pocket money' in cash, cash because she lost the ability to use her debit card a couple of years ago and the grief involved with re-setting passwords etc with the bank was no longer worth it. It was '3 strikes and out' regarding her card.........although she still denies ever having a problem and will happily sit there reciting her password to prove the point. It's just a shame that the password she takes pleasure in reciting happens to be her phone number. Bless her. Anyway, since the Covid thing and stopping her cash on a Sunday, all we get now is ''You're taking my money away, you're robbing me, i'm a prisoner'' etc etc but if we give her the cash she absolutely will go out. Tough love i guess. Oh well, roll on 2pm Well good luck and nice post, easy to read. Didn’t start with a new sentence on each line. It made me smile. Do be careful albeit I am starting to question the authoritarian dictation. In the meantime we need to air on the side of caution.
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BarEagle

Monmouth 22 Mar 20 11.12am

Originally posted by .TUX.

Do you honestly think that i need a govt to tell me to avoid contact with my mother-in-law bud!!!!

Oh well, roll on 2pm

Well good luck and nice post, easy to read. Didn’t start with a new sentence on each line. It made me smile.

Do be careful albeit I am starting to question the authoritarian dictation. In the meantime we need to air on the side of caution.

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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 22 Mar 20 11.20am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle That's where my last wife came from Have you decided where your next one's coming from yet? Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham
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Clapham on the Back 22 Mar 20 11.20am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That's where my last wife came from

Have you decided where your next one's coming from yet?

Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Tom-the-eagle Croydon 22 Mar 20 11.31am
Just out of interest, does anyone on here yet either have it or have a loved one who has it? "It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit
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Tom-the-eagle

Croydon 22 Mar 20 11.31am

Just out of interest, does anyone on here yet either have it or have a loved one who has it?

"It feels much better than it ever did, much more sensitive." John Wayne Bobbit

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Mar 20 11.35am
Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle Just out of interest, does anyone on here yet either have it or have a loved one who has it? I am not aware of any family member,friend or acquaintance who has been inflicted by the virus. But of course these are 'Early days'.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 22 Mar 20 11.35am

Originally posted by Tom-the-eagle

Just out of interest, does anyone on here yet either have it or have a loved one who has it?

I am not aware of any family member,friend or acquaintance who has been inflicted by the virus.
But of course these are 'Early days'.

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johnno42000 22 Mar 20 11.55am
Originally posted by Willo I have not perused the link, however I had heard on the radio that in normal times the number of deaths in the UK from flu and related illnesses over a same period is around 8,000 and our experts have asserted that the Covid-19 death toll could rise to 20,000 as a minimum and could greatly exceed this number if people do not heed the advice. This is from his article: ' 'Avoidable deaths are tragic, but each year there are already many deaths, especially among the old, from complications of flu leading to pneumonia. The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) tells me that the number of flu cases and deaths due to flu-related complications in England alone averages 17,000 a year. This varies greatly each winter, ranging from 1,692 deaths last season (2018/19) to 28,330 deaths in 2014/15. The DHSC notes that many of those who die from these diseases have underlying health conditions, as do almost all the victims of coronavirus so far, here and elsewhere. As the experienced and knowledgeable doctor who writes under the pseudonym ‘MD’ in the Left-wing magazine Private Eye wrote at the start of the panic: ‘In the winter of 2017-18, more than 50,000 excess deaths occurred in England and Wales, largely unnoticed.’ ' 'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'
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22 Mar 20 11.55am

Originally posted by Willo

This is from his article:

' 'Avoidable deaths are tragic, but each year there are already many deaths, especially among the old, from complications of flu leading to pneumonia.

The Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) tells me that the number of flu cases and deaths due to flu-related complications in England alone averages 17,000 a year. This varies greatly each winter, ranging from 1,692 deaths last season (2018/19) to 28,330 deaths in 2014/15.

The DHSC notes that many of those who die from these diseases have underlying health conditions, as do almost all the victims of coronavirus so far, here and elsewhere. As the experienced and knowledgeable doctor who writes under the pseudonym ‘MD’ in the Left-wing magazine Private Eye wrote at the start of the panic: ‘In the winter of 2017-18, more than 50,000 excess deaths occurred in England and Wales, largely unnoticed.’ '

'Lies to the masses as are like fly's to mollasses...they want more and more and more'

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.TUX. 22 Mar 20 12.04pm
Originally posted by mezzer Feel for you Tux, I really do. I lost my Mum and 2 Aunts in the past 3 years who had dementia, as well as a brother two years ago with "underlying health problems". Talking with the family recently and we're all agreed that we're glad they're not here to go through this isolation stuff today as they wouldn't have been able to understand it. As your Mum-in-Law seems to think, somehow you're punishing them. Thought many times how much worse it would be if they were in homes that we couldn't visit. Hope it works out alright for you and for anyone in a similar situation. Thanks bud, but along with many others you seem to have had it far worse than we ever will. Buy Litecoin.
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.TUX.

22 Mar 20 12.04pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Feel for you Tux, I really do.

Thought many times how much worse it would be if they were in homes that we couldn't visit.

Hope it works out alright for you and for anyone in a similar situation.

Thanks bud, but along with many others you seem to have had it far worse than we ever will.

Buy Litecoin.

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SavoyTruffle 22 Mar 20 12.09pm
Tim Shipman’s quotes from Cummings today in The Times are very, very troubling. ‘herd immunity, protect the economy and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.’ Attachment: 7364EF2E-0660-4B6B-BE07-939355B07C60.jpeg (76.83Kb)
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22 Mar 20 12.09pm

Tim Shipman’s quotes from Cummings today in The Times are very, very troubling.

‘herd immunity, protect the economy and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.’

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.TUX. 22 Mar 20 12.29pm
Originally posted by johnno42000 Interesting article from Peter Hitchens [Link] The mortality stats percentages are not reliable as there are so many people who had the virus and never got treated and therefore counted. The majority of those dying had underlying health conditions which is the same fact as occurs with flu and flu related deaths. We are allowing an awful lot of our freedoms to be signed away for something that, IMO, is (mortality wise) not a lot worse than flu and we have never in the recent past ever acted like this because of flu. Agreed. Martial Law to keep the people in their homes where they can't protest rather than on the streets where they can. The implementation of Universal Basic Income to barely keep said people afloat as many no longer have the means to earn. I'd love to be surprised that people are already begging for this but i'm not. Not in the slightest. Buy Litecoin.
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.TUX.

22 Mar 20 12.29pm

Originally posted by johnno42000

Interesting article from Peter Hitchens [Link]

We are allowing an awful lot of our freedoms to be signed away for something that, IMO, is (mortality wise) not a lot worse than flu and we have never in the recent past ever acted like this because of flu.

Agreed.
Martial Law to keep the people in their homes where they can't protest rather than on the streets where they can.
The implementation of Universal Basic Income to barely keep said people afloat as many no longer have the means to earn.

I'd love to be surprised that people are already begging for this but i'm not.
Not in the slightest.

Buy Litecoin.

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.TUX. 22 Mar 20 12.38pm
Originally posted by SavoyTruffle Tim Shipman’s quotes from Cummings today in The Times are very, very troubling. ‘herd immunity, protect the economy and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.’ It died on September 17th 2019. What they want to protect are their arses for causing an economic catastrophe that originally blew-up in 2008/09 and then allowing the same problems (debt) to escalate ever since. A force majeure fits the bill perfectly. A faceless scapegoat. And 'just in time'...........to coin a phrase. Buy Litecoin.
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.TUX.

22 Mar 20 12.38pm

Originally posted by SavoyTruffle

Tim Shipman’s quotes from Cummings today in The Times are very, very troubling.

‘herd immunity, protect the economy and if that means some pensioners die, too bad.’

It died on September 17th 2019.
What they want to protect are their arses for causing an economic catastrophe that originally blew-up in 2008/09 and then allowing the same problems (debt) to escalate ever since.
A force majeure fits the bill perfectly.
A faceless scapegoat.
And 'just in time'...........to coin a phrase.

Buy Litecoin.

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